Red Sox Offseason Thread

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Well it's offseason, so first we make moves to better our chances of de-throning the KING. Then we talk about it until the season starts. Then we pray that all are talking doesn't come back and bite us in the a$$. That's why they call it the off-season.
 

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Well if that's what Gammons is reporting then a deal is likely about to get done.
 

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Well it's offseason, so first we make moves to better our chances of de-throning the KING. Then we talk about it until the season starts. Then we pray that all are talking doesn't come back and bite us in the a$$. That's why they call it the off-season.

Haha....you know who you are talking to here right? Red Sox fans created the talking about de-throning the KING only to have it bite us in the ass. We are well aware of everything that goes into such lofty expectations and know all of the angles that are to be played in the game, so take it from me, if only to save your sanity....sit back and just pray and don't get too loud, it hurts like hell when some bum crushes a knuckleball into the right field bleechers after you thought your ace was gonna wrap up the series.


Actually...screw that, make as much noise as you can, talk as much trash as you can think of and proudly go down with the ship as the flames burn bright!!!
 

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Like I mentioned on the other baseball thread I'm a Dtroit fdan in all pro sports. So as far as going down with the burning ship MM of the Lions takes me down every yr. So when one of my teams is doing something to make me feel good. I always talk way to much s***. And yes then it bites me in the a$$. But I always get back up and do it all over again. Actually I'm getting pretty good at it if I do say so my self.
 

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Haha...I actually think thats what makes sports so much fun.
 

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ESPN is reporting that Tito is heading home today and although nothing was stated about Theo, I can't believe that Tito would be leaving if there were negotiations still in the works here.

I'm not saying a deal will not get done in the offseason here but I doubt anything happens for quite a while now as we fall into that quite time of the year for baseball.

All in all, you've got to believe that Sox have "won" here by keeping the Yanks from getting Johan and we've been able to keep all of our young stars too.
 

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Theo will now be leaving once the Rule 5 draft is done today. He stated that negotiations are not done for good and that the clubs will continue to keep talks open.


Read into it what you want, but I believe that Theo will not offer anything more than what is on the table and will only keep talks "open" in order to defend themselves in case Hank Almighty decides to get back into the race. I really believe that if Hank does get back in, Theo will offer Lester and Jacoby in order to block the Yanks, that seems the be the biggest goal of this off-season for the Sox.
 

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Sox keep Lester and Ellsbury. Ultimately, with Johan not going to the Yanks I really think this is the best scenerio for the Sox. Had the Yanks been seriously in the fight for Santana I would have been willing to give up Lester or Ellsbury to get him, but if its true that the Yanks were never in the bidding at the end, I would have been a little upset to mortgage the future and give away one of two incredible prospects when our competition is staying the same all the while.

Now....the million dollar question remains. Its all but inked on the lineup card that Jacoby is our centerfielder, so what happens with Coco. He makes WAY too much to be a fourth outfielder or platoon with Drew and Manny...and to be honest, I really like the kid and think he deserves a change to go start somewhere else. I wonder what the Sox are thinking in regards to Coco and who we go after in a trade for him. I would have to think the Sox are thinking maybe some prospects since we really don't need any major league talent, but will need to fill some holes at 3B and maybe even SS in the near future. Also, with this being Manny's last year under contract (yes there are options on the table, but I never consider them when planning ahead, especially when it comes to Manny) we really are going to need a power bat that we can develop. Pitching looks very good with youth throughout the system...which makes me even happier that Lester is still with the ball club, he and Bucholz are goint to be very important pieces of the rotation, especially when Schill is gone after the season.

I hope Coco is dealt before spring training, which isn't that far off, I am sure Theo has been keeping the lines of communication open with other GMs in need of a solid defensive outfielder and who knows a trade with the Twins could be in the future, just not the one that everyone had been talking about.

I can't wait for this season to start!
 

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We're even. Red Sox fans can't understand how anyone can be a Yankees fan. Now that the Sox have a competent ownership that is not afraid to spend money (See development of the farm system), the playing field has been more even in the 21st century! "The Curse of the Bambino" has proven to be a falacy. Tom Yawkey hired incompetants and was a known racists from Louisville, KY. It's no accident that the Sox had an opportunity to sign both Jackie Robinson and Willie Mays and Yawkey refused to accept the recommendations of veteran scouts who followed the Negro Leagues. The results since the Yawkee Trust sold the team speak for themselves!!!!!:)


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Nice hearin' from ya Newc.


I want a young slugger. I was looking through our minors and I don't think we have one coming up. I really wanted Miggy Cabrerra but I wasn't willing to give up Jacoby for him. We will see who starts to step up this year in the minors....
 

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Only real power guy that is consistant that we have is Lars Anderson in high A ball. I think he is only 20, so he has probably 2 or 3 years till we can even consider him major league ready.

Hopefully Coco is needed enough by some teams out there, which I think he is given his range and glove is amazing, so that the Sox can get a power hitting outfield prospect or even a power corner infielder that is only a year or two away from the bigs. I'd also love for the Sox to be able to pick up a young SS prospect to give both Lugo and Lowery some competition and allow the Sox to have more trade options come the trade deadline or next offseason. We'll just have to wait and see how Theo plays it all out. But I really doubt that Coco comes to spring training with the Sox.
 

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We're even. Red Sox fans can't understand how anyone can be a Yankees fan. Now that the Sox have a competent ownership that is not afraid to spend money (See development of the farm system), the playing field has been more even in the 21st century! "The Curse of the Bambino" has proven to be a falacy. Tom Yawkey hired incompetants and was a known racists from Louisville, KY. It's no accident that the Sox had an opportunity to sign both Jackie Robinson and Willie Mays and Yawkey refused to accept the recommendations of veteran scouts who followed the Negro Leagues. The results since the Yawkee Trust sold the team speak for themselves!!!!!:)


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I also believe that the Sox had the first chance to sign Hank Aaron also but they turned him down. He then went across town and signed with the Boston Braves instead.
 

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Sox just signed Adam Dunn to backup at first base and provide a bat off the bench.
Newc, you are correct, Lars Anderson played at A Lancaster (CA) last season. He is described as a "Large, powerful slugger with a great hitter's frame and a high power ceiling with an extra-smooth, fluid swing."
The darth of power hitters in the system is the reason they took a chance on trading for Willy Mo Pena from Cincinnati. When the Yankees signed him, he inked a major league contract and never played in the minors nor could he be sent to Pawtucket by the Red Sox without being exposed to waivers. Unfortunately, he was a "boom (homer) or bust (strike out)" hitter who was a fourth outfielder. He wasn't going to replace any of the starters or the DH. His fielding actually regressed and he was not going to improve without getting more playing time/at bats, so he was traded to Washington.
 

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Sorry, I always got Adam Dunn and Sean Casey confused, perhaps because they were the only major offensive threats with the Reds. Casey, nicknamed "The Mayor" because of his outgoing and positive personalaity, is a perfect fit for the Red Sox. He will be the primary backup at first base, replacing Eric Hinske (although he does not play the outfield) as a left-handed hitter off the bench. He batted .296 (lifetime avg. .301) with 54 RBIs in 143 games with the Tigers last season. Casey was involved in a fund-raising event each year through his association with a Catholic priest in Lowell, MA.
 

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Sorry, I always got Adam Dunn and Sean Casey confused, perhaps because they were the only major offensive threats with the Reds. Casey, nicknamed "The Mayor" because of his outgoing and positive personalaity, is a perfect fit for the Red Sox. He will be the primary backup at first base, replacing Eric Hinske (although he does not play the outfield) as a left-handed hitter off the bench. He batted .296 (lifetime avg. .301) with 54 RBIs in 143 games with the Tigers last season. Casey was involved in a fund-raising event each year through his association with a Catholic priest in Lowell, MA.
 

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watching Sean Casey run is painful, it's like he's moving in slow motion, yet he's trying so hard. just like a buddy of mine in highschool. unhitch the trailer man!
 

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Well, Casey really is an upgrade over Hinske and gives us a good defensive backup at first, but I was really hoping we could get a decent power righty to fill in as a fourth outfielder/pinch hitter type so he could play pepper with that wall.
 

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Haha....NY finally wins one rather than choking away a 7 game lead and they think they are on top of the world.


Just kidding man, congrats on the win, that was huge! I am actually happy to see Eli and Plax win it....Brady was getting a little too Hollywood and cocky for me anyway. I wonder if Brady will show up in NY to see his girl all bangaged up or not.
 

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overpaying older athletes seems to be in vogue right now. the last few years with Roger Clemens, this year's trade of Shaq, now schilling.
 

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Yea, if this turns out that Schill can only pitch in 8-12 games then ofcourse he will be way overpaid, but if that the case but he shows up in the postseason like he has the past few years then he'll be worth the 8 mill (and lets face it, in today's game 8 mill is not all that much). Atleast we aren't paying him Clemens money...and its safe to say with the way Schilling has been going, no one will be coming out with Fed Ex boxes full of steroids and needles claiming they are Schillings...and if they do, we can pretty much come to the conclussion that steroids are absolutely worthless then.
 
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