Post Game Observations....

[Calabrese's People]

Carlo played well. He's just pushing right up against the ceiling of his abilities. Secondary looks shellshocked.

 

[AllGoldEverything]

1. GA3 is not good enough to be our starting RB. Simple as that.
2. TJ Jones and Davaris Daniels are good, need to keep getting them the ball.
3. Amir Carlisle is our starting running back and should get 85% of the carries.
4. Saw some good things from the Oline.
5. Tuitt needs to step it up a bit. Yeah he had the pick but other than that he was not playing up to his potential.
6. MLB is killing us, I think Grace should be starting because he showed some lateral quickness tonight.
7. Sheldon Day is damn good.
8. Councell and Jaylon will be fine.
9. Secondary needs major improvements. Farley and Shumate were exposed quit a bit tonight, we are really missing Zeke.
10. Special teams looked a bit better.

All in all tonight was disappointing, but if we get all the talent we have rolling in the right direction we will be okay. Just gotta fix a few things.

Go Irish

 

[Bluto]

Two things to be happy about:

1. We ran the ball well against a "big boy" defense.

2. The kids never quit........... they played hard until the end. That's a definite change from the Weis era, when they often looked like they quit in the 3rd quarter.

Seriously, I doubt we are ever gonna "let Stanford score" so we can go for the win under Kelly. That was pretty much rock bottom for me during the Weis years. Honestly living through that kind of crap makes tonight seem like a glass half full kind of moment.

 

[Jerry]

REESUS!

j/k............ but Tommy didn't exactly lose the game for us. He didn't play a complete game, but he did complete 57% of his passes, for 314 yards, 2 TDs, 2INTs.

Tommy misses certain passes, not just the INT's, that hurt. A couple post/fade routes into the endzone that were there and a good QB makes he couldn't connect. He's good at short throws but he doesn't have great touch on the longer ones. With that said if the defense does anything in this game Tommy doesn't have to be perfect and ND wins easily.

 

[Irishbounty28]

You obviously were watching a different game. Rees got ****ing killed a couple of times and hung in there and made some nice passes and some ****** passes. Our D stunk. If our LB's and most of our DB's can't cover make plays then we are ****ed no matter how good our O was. Sorry, Rees is not elite but he wasn't the problem tonight.

Most of the times Rees got killed were not so much because of the offensive line, but because of the offensive formation. So I would question if you were watching the same game, as this was pointed out on multiple occasions by Herbstreit. The plays where Rees was getting killed were those in which Mattison was bringing 8, and we only had 7 or 6 to block. Those numbers do not jive, and leave an unblocked man to pressure Rees.

Our offensive line played very well for the most part, and was definitely not the problem.

I do agree that our defense played sub-par, but by no means were horrendous. I will give credit where it is due, and that goes to Gardner. Without him their offense would have stalled. We had their running game stalled for the most part, aside from the Gardner runs. HE made the plays that determined the outcome of the game. Sure there are other defenses that may be able to contain him, but for the most part HE BEAT US, we didn't beat ourselves. The team that was more efficient with their game plan won.

 

[Bluto]

No kidding...
"Nix looks too heavy"



Did you see the athleticism on his INT? HOLY COW is the big guy nimble!!!

I can't remember the last time I saw an ND defensive line make those kid of plays on a semi regular basis. Kids got potential at tight end.

 

[Patulski]

You obviously were watching a different game. Rees got ****ing killed a couple of times and hung in there and made some nice passes and some ****** passes. Our D stunk. If our LB's and most of our DB's can't cover make plays then we are ****ed no matter how good our O was. Sorry, Rees is not elite but he wasn't the problem tonight.

I'll stand by 90% of the time comment. He took a couple of shots, but that was it. When you have a decided advantage in skill, a running game that averages 5.1 yard without any option threat or a QB that can pick up a first down with his legs, and only score 23 offensive points with the only two turnovers made by the QB, it is the QB's fault. We did suck as a defense, but Rees was the problem on offense.

 

[Kak7304]

No kidding...
"Nix looks too heavy"



Did you see the athleticism on his INT? HOLY COW is the big guy nimble!!!

Shouldn't 3-4 DEs and NTs be just as fast as mobile, former WR QBs?

 

[pkt77242]

Most of the times Rees got killed were not so much because of the offensive line, but because of the offensive formation. So I would question if you were watching the same game, as this was pointed out on multiple occasions by Herbstreit. The plays where Rees was getting killed were those in which Mattison was bringing 8, and we only had 7 or 6 to block. Those numbers do not jive, and leave an unblocked man to pressure Rees. Our offensive line played very well for the most part, and was definitely not the problem.

I do agree that our defense played sub-par, but by no means were horrendous. I will give credit where it is due, and that goes to Gardner. Without him their offense would have stalled. We had their running game stalled for the most part, aside from the Gardner runs. HE made the plays that determined the outcome of the game. Sure there are other defenses that may be able to contain him, but for the most part HE BEAT US, we didn't beat ourselves. The team that was more efficient with their game plan won.

And how is that Rees's fault. Most of those time he check and brought in an extra blocker but he can't take everyone out of pass patterns but obviously you weren't watching the same game just listening to the announcers.

 

[TomHaverford]

They could against our defense.

Teddy Bridgewater's career yards per carry is 0.3. His longest run is 24 yards and he has 4 rushing TD's. He's a pocket passer. Just because he's black doesn't mean he can run.

I think you're seriously underestimating how inaccurate of a passer Braxton Miller is. Braxton completed in the 40% in high school, and his first year at Ohio State he was 53%. Last year in Urban Meyer's offense he was 57%. That offense lets you get a ton of easy completions. Robinson completed 62% as a sophomore in that offense. Tim Tebow completed 67% in that offense as a sophomore.

Braxton Miller is a terrible passer.

 

[Patulski]

Tommy misses certain passes, not just the INT's, that hurt. A couple post/fade routes into the endzone that were there and a good QB makes he couldn't connect. He's good at short throws but he doesn't have great touch on the longer ones.

This is so obvious, I do not know how anybody could debate it.

 

[irisheyes]

I bet florida drops less in the rankings than we do this week even though they lost to an unranked team. I ****ing hate the sec

 

[andre784]

Seems like michigan just wanted it more than the irish. I didn't really see this loss coming but, its not like michigan's a bad team either. ND can still win a good majority of games but, the defense has to be accountable of the mistakes.

 

[dmort]

I predict a 10-2 season with a loss to OK.

 

[pkt77242]

I'll stand by 90% of the time comment. He took a couple of shots, but that was it. When you have a decided advantage in skill, a running game that averages 5.1 yard without any option threat or a QB that can pick up a first down with his legs, and only score 23 offensive points with the only two turnovers made by the QB, it is the QB's fault. We did suck as a defense, but Rees was the problem on offense.

But allowing all the points was the QB's fault. I am sure that he was trying to play D as well. Our D sucked. Rees missed some passes but our D allowed the points. Nice try.

 

[kmoose]

Most of the times Rees got killed were not so much because of the offensive line, but because of the offensive formation. So I would question if you were watching the same game, as this was pointed out on multiple occasions by Herbstreit. The plays where Rees was getting killed were those in which Mattison was bringing 8, and we only had 7 or 6 to block. Those numbers do not jive, and leave an unblocked man to pressure Rees.

Not going to claim to speak for pkt, but I think that the point he was trying to make is that, based on Rees standing in there and taking some serious hits to complete passes, Patulski's comment about him holding back the offense was pretty disrespectful.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Got any extra happy pills or whatever you're on?

Lol no sorry, but I am just able to handle losing.

 

[Bluto]

We should have ran a cover 2 on Gallion (sp?). He was their entire offense. Then we would've won. Can someone call Diaco and tell him I'm open to offers?

 

[pkt77242]

This is so obvious, I do not know how anybody could debate it.

Of course he missed passes. I would like for you to watch a college game and not see some missed passes. This is ****ing stupid. He did not lose us the game. He made one horrific pass during the game when it mattered (the INT at the end of the first half). Watch any other game this weekend, every QB make at least one horrific pass. Get over it. He played well not great. Our D sucked balls.

 

[Irishbounty28]

And how is that Rees's fault. Most of those time he check and brought in an extra blocker but he can't take everyone out of pass patterns but obviously you weren't watching the same game just listening to the announcers.

I was just disagreeing on the offensive line portion of your comment. This would also go with your comment of ,"And how is that Rees's fault?". This also wouldn't be the offensive linemen's fault, as they were not put in a position to succeed on these offensive plays. I guess I read your comment as an offensive lineman problem, but after reading it again I guess you didn't directly state that.

I would state though that in those situations Tommy did what he could and brought in further protection with a running back, he just wasn't able to get the ball out quick enough and/or accurately at times. The fact that he got pressure "a few" times was the least of the problems in the game.

I will also say that the rollout with Rees has never been an efficient play, and should probably be scrapped from the playbook.

 

[Irish YJ]

Lol no sorry, but I am just able to handle losing.

LOL. Just part of being from Canada I guess. Kidding my friend.

 

[kmoose]

I figured the obvious

EDIT: Sneaky edit on you changing you to he, haha

I realized, after I posted, that it wasn't you who originally said it. I didn't want to be sneaky, just didn't want to appear to be calling you out, when you didn't say it in the first place.

 

[Junkhead]

This is so obvious, I do not know how anybody could debate it.

If you honestly think this loss in on the QB, you have no idea what you are talking about. Do you honestly think we should have to score 50 to win?? Rees wasn't the problem. Watch the game and see scUM running up and down the field at will. How is that the QBs fault. You have to be jokin.... We get it. Tommy isn't that great, but this loss isn't on him.

 

[Bluto]

Lol no sorry, but I am just able to handle losing.

You damn Canadians and your socialized health care!!! Haha.

 

[Bluto]

If you honestly think this loss in on the QB, you have no idea what you are talking about. Do you honestly think we should have to score 50 to win?? Rees wasn't the problem. Watch the game and see scUM running up and down the field at will. How is that the QBs fault. You have to be jokin.... We get it. Tommy isn't that great, but this loss isn't on him.

They weren't "running" it was Gallion chatching it then running up and down the field.

 

[irisheyes]

Gardner happened. Name another QB who can do what he does. I'll wait.

Gardner didnt happen. Our defense made temples first time starting qb look good. The ncaa is filled with qbs that are 5x better than him.

 

[pkt77242]

I was just disagreeing on the offensive line portion of your comment. This would also go with your comment of ,"And how is that Rees's fault?". This also wouldn't be the offensive linemen's fault, as they were not put in a position to succeed on these offensive plays. I guess I read your comment as an offensive lineman problem, but after reading it again I guess you didn't directly state that.

I would state though that in those situations Tommy did what he could and brought in further protection with a running back, he just wasn't able to get the ball out quick enough and/or accurately at times. The fact that he got pressure "a few" times was the least of the problems in the game.

I will also say that the rollout with Rees has never been an efficient play, and should probably be scrapped from the playbook.

I would view it as a coaching problem. Rees brought in extra blockers, and he held the ball until the last second to let the WR's get open. He played well but the coaches failed him. Also a couple of times the Oline whiffed but that is to be expected in any game.

 

[kmoose]

Shouldn't 3-4 DEs and NTs be just as fast as mobile, former WR QBs?

Just for the record............. and because that's the second time that I have seen this mentioned tonight:

Gardner was recruited to Michigan as a 4* QB, out of Detroit Inkster High School. He was asked to play WR, to try to get both him AND Denard Robinson on the field at the same time. He is NOT a converted WR.

 

[Junkhead]

They weren't "running" it was Gallion chatching it then running up and down the field.

I meant moving the ball. Run or pass, they moved at will for much of the game.

 

[Patulski]

C'mon dude. D sucked again and all you do is rehash hate on the QB. They even showed the scUM safties playing like 25yds deep. You did watch the game, right????

I don't hate Rees. So, please stop with that nonsense.

Michigan did not play two deep safeties all game long. So, I do not know what you are talking about. They gave Rees plenty of opportunities to hit wide open receivers in corner end zone routes and the guy did not deliver. It's all there when you review the game tomorrow. And since you brought up that they did play 2 deep safeties occasionally, particularly in the second half, I will point out that once again Rees threw a pass right in the hands of the underneath defender, just like he has all his career. Furthermore, , he threw the ball right into the hands of a defender on a rollout pass, just as he has his entire career. And once again, he was a statue, just as he has been his entire career. On that int he threw, there was all kinds of running room, instead he forced a ball into coverage.

He is what he is. I was hoping he had improved. He has not. He will hold back our offense all year.