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I think Jonas Gray has proven to be the teams best RB. BCS is officially out of reach, it maybe worth starting Andrew Hendrix at this point. This team is so disappointing to watch week after week. Notre Dame has to do a better coaching search next time around, which should be in another year.
 

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This loss solely lies on the team as a whole, not any individual player or coach - but the entire process. The plays that turned the ball over were elementary plays. The defense lacked any fire that I have seen in a while. The offensive line looked flat and you are not going to win games allowing 7 - 8 yards on first down.

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The Good
Plays of the Game
1. Kelly calling Rees on the option
2. Carlo Calabrese idiotic 15-yard penalty
3. Dayne Crist's fumble
4. Kelly's stupid play call on 2nd-and-goal of sending Hendrix in
5. Rees missing Eifert for an easy TD late in the 2nd quarter
6. Shembo getting faked out by Barkley on 4th down in the first half[/QUOTE]

I kept thinking about that Shembo play the whole game and then Fleming got juked even worse late on the game.
 

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I think Jonas Gray has proven to be the teams best RB. BCS is officially out of reach, it maybe worth starting Andrew Hendrix at this point. This team is so disappointing to watch week after week. Notre Dame has to do a better coaching search next time around, which should be in another year.

It won't let me rep your more than once for the the same post...
 

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You're right ACamp, piority one! ND should suspend their season and forfeit the rest of the schedule until they "get a freakin quarter back" (sic). No reason to play the remaining games as

There are some truly inane posts that show up after losses.

This is exaclty my point in regards to those who just point our negatives after loses on this board... now valid points can't be made after a loss unless it is blindly positive??...

sorry, BG... but you are wrong... and totally reaching/implying as to my post... this program could have made a national statement this year if they had won this game and carried it to the Stanford game.... now NOTHING this program does can make any real national impact... which in cfb, as you should know... IS important... the level of which I suppose is up for debate, but it is still of true importance none the less.... and now all the program can do is make it worse (losing to Navy or whoever)... they really can't improve the national image from here on...

how is that "inane"...????


logic be damned after loses I suppose...
 
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8-4 with the Champs Sports Bowl is our worst case scenario. We can still finish 9-3 with a Top 25 finish which to me anyways, is a pretty solid year. BK is turning this ship in the right direction and it takes time. Holtz went 8-4 in year two! We are getting there.
 
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This is exaclty my point in regards to those who just point our negatives after loses on this board... now valid points can't be made after a loss unless it is blindly positive??...

sorry, BG... but you are wrong... and totally reaching/implying as to my post... this program could have made a national statement this year if they had won this game and carried it to the Stanford game.... now NOTHING this program does can make any real national impact... sorry there just isn't.... and now all they can do is make it worse...

how is that "inane"...????


logic be damned after loses I suppose...

Upsetting an undefeated Stanford at the end of the season to finish 9-3?
 

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8-4 with the Champs Sports Bowl is our worst case scenario. We can still finish 9-3 with a Top 25 finish which to me anyways, is a pretty solid year. BK is turning this ship in the right direction and it takes time. Holtz went 8-4 in year two! We are getting there.

I'm not sure you understand what the term "worst case scenario" means.

The actual worst case scenario is that this team plays like it did tonight, or like it did against USF.... Or like Michigan....

And takes a big sh!t in the field against Navy, Wake and Maryland, too. They are all solid teams. The the worst case scenario, which is also plausible, is definitly NOT 8-4. In fact, I'd be pretty damn happy with 8-4 right now.
 

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Upsetting an undefeated Stanford at the end of the season to finish 9-3?

I stand corrected.... that would make "a statement"... though I am already of the school we won't be a three loss team at that time anyway... hopefully they'll prove me wrong..........
 
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I'm not sure you understand what the term "worst case scenario" means.

The actual worst case scenario is that this team plays like it did tonight, or like it did against USF.... Or like Michigan....

And takes a big sh!t in the field against Navy, Wake and Maryland, too. They are all solid teams. The the worst case scenario, which is also plausible, is definitly NOT 8-4. In fact, I'd be pretty damn happy with 8-4 right now.

Reality is ND should take care of Navy, Wake, and Maryland. I should not have to pray or hope they beat them so to me, a worst case scenario is just losing to Stanford to end the regular season.

Just my opinion. I'd be happy with an 8-4 season too because I believe that building a championship team takes time.
 
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I stand corrected.... that would make "a statement"... though I am already of the school we won't be a three loss team at that time anyway... hopefully they'll prove me wrong..........

If a 2-5 Navy team beat us then I think all bets are off. Not sure who else remaining worries you.
 

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Crushing game tonight with the Irish self imploding against a good team that played mistake free football. My thoughts:

- This team played scared football tonight much like they have all season long. It's like the pressure on them is to such an extreme where they are almost just waiting for that first mistake and they self implode from there with penalties and turnovers. That has been the story in all the losses this season where they have been put on a major stage like the season opener, against Michigan, and USC tonight. I think Kelly's sideline demeanor plays a part in it as well, though he has improved since the opener. This team needs to stop playing scared and play with confidence and swagger or we are going to continue to see performances like what we saw tonight.

- Some of the playcalling in the first half was boggling. Running option with Reese and Gray I couldn't believe. Maybe Hendrix and Cierre, but come on! Almost no effort to run the football tonight and try to establish a ground game. I also did not understand why Kelly would yank Reese for Hendirx in the first half when it finally looked like Reese was starting to get into rythem.

- In my opinion, Jones Gray should be the featured back on this team with Wood being the change of pace or third down back, not the other way around. Let Gray establish the run pounding the football between the tackles early and let Wood gash them late.

- The defense was hammered tonight against the run and did not even start to compete until they went with more of a four man line later in the second quarter. Teo was a non-factor in what was supposed to be his showcase game.

- I hope there was an injury to one the starting CB's or else throwing Lo Wood out there against their best receiver in a critical junction of the game is flat out inexcusable.

- I dont know what to think about the QB position anymore. I think Reese is good and has some upside, but he just does not play consistant enough football. He makes some amazing throws, and than does something that just leaves you scratching your head. I know he is still young and learning, but it's also possible that's just who he is. I dont know if Kelly can wait to find out.
 
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You guys are a bunch of chicken littles and that's what's wrong with ND football. They should have blasted SC in every way. They didn't. Oh well. Bad coaching and execution will do that. For some reason this self defeating attitude has permeated the whole program and apparently the fan base. Get over it. When this team decides to "play like champions" every game they will be. Go Irish!
 

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My post game observations, for those who are interested, are as such:

1. It took me quite awhile to digest whether I liked the gold helmets or not. But, after much consideration, I don't. They just look...weird. It's like they're trying to be "pure glimmering gold" and since we know they are not made of gold (albeit containing gold dust, but the helmets always did regardless of base color) I think in the end they just ended up looking "cheap". What the hell was wrong with the ones we had? Why must we incessantly screw with the uniform as a whole or in pieces? Can't we find a simple and powerful look, keep it, and move on?

2. I'm pretty proud of the way this team played itself back into the game. I was thinking after the Crist fumble exchange from center that it was "over". But, the team did a nice job battling back until Rees's unfortunate case of "just being average" came back and he turned the ball over with a chance to tie the game.

3. The defense, usually stellar in stretches this season, just got slapped in the mouth. Really...say what you will, but USC has absolutely no fear of Notre Dame anymore. It's not even a rivalry. They know they own us and outside of a fluke like last season, they can come in and do whatever they hell they please. That must be incredibly empowering to their sense of confidence.

4. Along those lines, the point of attack, line surge and tackling were especially atrocious tonight. Just really, really **** poor effort from the D as a unit.

5. The offense was it's usual, unspectacular self. I mean, especially here lately, we get yards. Hell, we even get points...but when we really need either we just fold like a tent. Plus, this crazy turnover situation this season is so far beyond out of hand it's like bad comedy.

6. Micheal Floyd, while it is incumbent on the offense to get him the ball, was essentially shut down by a much smaller corner one on one. Sure, the offense as a whole did a **** poor job of getting him the ball often...when they did go to him he allowed the much smaller corner to just outplay him.

7. Our run game dried up into a dusty gulch.

8. Whatever the hell kind of atmosphere we were trying to create with the towels and the music in between plays was odd and didn't work. This isn't Wisconsin or Penn State...leave the Jumbotron music and slapdash momentum boosts for the NFL please. Notre Dame is much more classy than to cheapen the experience into making it a rock concert. I love music...especially rock music...but c'mon. That was just so out of place.

9. We have some pretty good talent...on par with a lot of other top programs out there (which is saying something given our difficult academic standards and the fact we don't pay kids to play). But, our collection of "just average" QB's is our own worst enemy. Every guy we have is just not Prime Time enough to really get it done. We have no Matt Barkley, Andrew Luck, Case Keenum, Landry Jones, etc. Other schools do...but we have four QB's that if we put them all together into one QB might be good enough.

10. We got severely outcoached by Lame Kiffin and his staff, and that's sad. Not only because Lame is a pretty average coach (now his Dad is a badass), but we even had an EXTRA WEEK to get ready. Atrocious coaching.

11. What is it with this team and coming out flat? How amped up to you really need to get to not only be playing division one football, but for historic Notre Dame?! Really?! It amazes me how these guys come out and just hem and haw around like "Oh, damn...I didn't realize we were playing today!" It's like they cannot play until someone slaps them in the mouth, insults their Mom, and takes their chocolate milk. Then, and only then, do we start playing. WTF?

12. Jonas Grey has really turned it around. I like that guy running the rock.

13. Gary Grey, unfortunately, is still a terrible CB. Sorry Gary, nothing personal, but you take terrible angles and have very poor hip movement and coverage skills. Not really sure how you've made it this far, but please...get your degree! I don't see the NFL coming for you bro.

14. The refs tonight were especially **** poor. You could almost see the Trojan Bucks™ sticking out of their pockets.

15. This team is stuck in mediocrity and occasionally has flashes of greatness. Like they said in "Clueless" about Monet's work..."Looks great from afar but up close it's just a big 'ol mess."
 

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This loss solely lies on the team as a whole, not any individual player or coach - but the entire process. The plays that turned the ball over were elementary plays. The defense lacked any fire that I have seen in a while. The offensive line looked flat and you are not going to win games allowing 7 - 8 yards on first down.

Diz

I agree. As much as people want to blame Crist or blame Kelly or whoever, it was a team loss. The defensive line was dominated in the first half by SC. Really just pushed around. They also missed tackles in a pathetic fashion. Calabrese's unbelievably stupid penalty. The offense was bland, no push in the running game and passing was just bad. The fact that Floyd is doubled and they can't find another open receiver consistently is sad. The offense left the D out on the field too long obviously. Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers.... Ballgame.
 

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The best possible version of this team includes Dayne Crist under center. Obviously, he has some serious issues. But Tommy just does not pose a serious threat to athletic defenses, Crist does. I know he's his own worst enemy, but I can't help but wonder what if he had gotten some support from his coach. Dayne is our guy are four words that could have changed the season. Instead we got uncertainty, a lack of confidence And "good enough Tommy," who, while a great story, possesses the physical tools of an above average quarterback in the MAC.
 

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The best possible version of this team includes Dayne Crist under center. Obviously, he has some serious issues. But Tommy just does not pose a serious threat to athletic defenses, Crist does. I know he's his own worst enemy, but I can't help but wonder what if he had gotten some support from his coach. Dayne is our guy are four words that could have changed the season. Instead we got uncertainty, a lack of confidence And "good enough Tommy," who, while a great story, possesses the physical tools of an above average quarterback in the MAC.

Let's see, Crist was in it at USF....and turned it over a bunch of times and the team mentally collapsed.

Crist was in it at Michigan and turned it over a bunch of times and the team mentally collapsed.

Crist comes in at USC when ND is about to tie the game and turns it over in crushing fashion and the team collapses mentally.

The best part about Rees is he is really tough mentally. It seems to translate to the rest of the team. Crist just falls apart and takes the rest of the team with him when he does....
 

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Did they stop teacking reading comprehension in school?

I said to bench Rees because he is not the QB for the future. Not because he lost the game for us. I think Brian Kelly lost the game.

Dayne was rolling, then you take him out, then put him back in.

Plus he completely abandoned the run. BK panics way to early.

I love this team, I think Tommy gives us our best chance to win this year, but this year is scrapped and we need to start thinking about next year.

Why did Coach Kelly pull Danye Crist at that point?!?!? He was rolling down the field. Then ND stops running the ball. The USC LB should have been exploited, look at the TD run Jonas Gray ran for. Regardless of why Lo Wood as in, he should not have been in one on one w. Robert Wood. I just can't believe how unprepared our team was tonight...after a BYE WEEK no less!
 

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The best possible version of this team includes Dayne Crist under center. Obviously, he has some serious issues. But Tommy just does not pose a serious threat to athletic defenses, Crist does. I know he's his own worst enemy, but I can't help but wonder what if he had gotten some support from his coach. Dayne is our guy are four words that could have changed the season. Instead we got uncertainty, a lack of confidence And "good enough Tommy," who, while a great story, possesses the physical tools of an above average quarterback in the MAC.

This post is killing me, where do I even start. Post when you have something intelligent to say. Where is the uncertainty or the lack of confidence. Tommy is a hell of a lot more confident then Dayne and what is the uncertaninty? Please have something constructive in your criticism as this is all BULLSHIT. I mean BULLSHIT.
 

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Why did Coach Kelly pull Danye Crist at that point?!?!? He was rolling down the field. Then ND stops running the ball. The USC LB should have been exploited, look at the TD run Jonas Gray ran for. Regardless of why Lo Wood as in, he should not have been in one on one w. Robert Wood. I just can't believe how unprepared our team was tonight...after a BYE WEEK no less!
So its Kelly's fault that Dayne Crist couldn't execute something that 8 year old's do every saturday as well?
 

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Good-
---GA III is a man child
---Eifert great stuff
---Helmets looked great.
----Gray will be surely missed


Bad
----Where was the ^&$king running game?
----Commitment to the run
----Still incredibly slow on the edges
----No pass rush
----Why pull Hendrix for Crist at the goal line?
----&*$king turnovers
----Team speed
 

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Yet I am "inane" and a "cockwad" for stating that ND missed another opportunity........

welcome to IE everybody...

Good night all
 

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So its Kelly's fault that Dayne Crist couldn't execute something that 8 year old's do every saturday as well?

I feel bad for Crist. It is hard to get very little reps and then come in and play, plus the reps he was getting were with a different center.
 

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Let's see, Crist was in it at USF....and turned it over a bunch of times and the team mentally collapsed.

Crist was in it at Michigan and turned it over a bunch of times and the team mentally collapsed.

Crist comes in at USC when ND is about to tie the game and turns it over in crushing fashion and the team collapses mentally.

The best part about Rees is he is really tough mentally. It seems to translate to the rest of the team. Crist just falls apart and takes the rest of the team with him when he does....

You might want to get your **** straight rookie. Crist had one pick in one half of football before he was benched this year. besides that, he threw one pass (a screen to ga3 against purdue that almost went for 6.). He did NOT turn it over a bunch of times against Michigan- that was Tommy. Kind of turns your whole point to ****, don't it?
 

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I feel bad for Crist. It is hard to get very little reps and then come in and play, plus the reps he was getting were with a different center.
I feel bad for him, too. I don't know him but from what I seen he seems like a good guy. He's had a lot of bad luck, too, I get that.

However, he just gets too excited or something and falls apart. Does it all the time.
 

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I was surprised at how well Kiffen schemed his game plan tonight. His team executed well. They're dialing down the arrogance a few notches which is welcome after the Pete `the cheat' era. May be due in some part to Pat Haden's presence there. Welcome change. Hate their band obnoxiously chiming in after any and all small accomplishments. I wish we'd stop letting them into our venue.
Conversely our game plan looked tentative and wary. Not a winning attitude out there. A few bad referring calls that may have made some small difference in the outcome. Hard to say. We flat out lost tonight. Chalk it up to a bad day at the office and get ready to move on. And move on with some confidence in our ability to `win'. So much talent and still, so much hesitancy to employ it. I think they might make use of some psychiatric counsel at this point. A little Joe Montana pep talk. Go Irish! This has to turn around some day.
 

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So much talent and still, so much hesitancy to employ it. I think they might make use of some psychiatric counsel at this point. A little Joe Montana pep talk. Go Irish! This has to turn around some day.
You bring up a great point that several here seem to fail to grasp.

Its mostly a mental thing with ND right now. They just don't believe in themselves. Dayne Crist clearly suffers from this more than anyone else. Notice how the team went to pieces after that first turnover.

I feel like after the first two games, they've just been shellshocked and can't believe in themselves.
 
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