Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

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Golson could have hit Robinson for an easy td on the last play of the game

Golson could have thrown it to koyack and he would have plowed his way in

Golson should not have wited that long to throw it

Golson is better than Winston if he just sees the field better!

Agreed, the middle of the field was wide open, a little toss to CRob at the 10 and all he had to do cut to the inside toward the middle and he could have walzed in. Oh well, EG and all the guys played their hearts out.
 

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I actually think the call was BS. I just see a little bit of the other sides argument.

I can to, and I stated in a few posts that I can see why people would think that it was OPI, but IMO you can't definitively say he was blocking and not hand fighting....
 

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Folston needs the ball more.
Golson play a good game even though he still needs to learn to throw the ball out of bounds.
The d-line was amazing.
Fuller is just being Fuller at this point.
Good game for Robinson.
BVG didn't make right adjustments after half and exposed the DBS.
Farley is good against ok teams but against very good he got schooled.
Loved Kelly showing his trust in the first half and going for it on 4th down expect the one at the 50 and they challenged the call was bad on his part.
Overall great effort for the team. It's a shame it had to end on a refs mental error.

FIFY
 

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It was my homecoming so I was drinking since 8:30 am and I was absolutely attached to this game, that last I went absolutely bonkers in celebration. It was fucking ecstasy, just to see it taken right out of my hands in the same instance. What a shitty shitty no good terrible loss.

Great game. But just a shitty way to lose.
 

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This team was robbed of a glorious victory. We played the defending champions on their turf with their best inmate playing in top form and we beat them on the field. There is no moral victory. When these young men remember this game it will not be the hard work, the concentration, and resiliency they displayed, but the shock of a bogus penalty.
All this talk of “we are back” and the nation will view us differently is utter bullshit. The day we hoist the championship trophy is the day the nation will view us differently and take us seriously. Otherwise it is all noise. Yesterday, we won the game on the field only to have it snatched from us by a bogus call.

The douchebag duo of Herbstreet and Fowler made it pretty clear throughout the telecast that we were the inferior team and the game was pretty much FSU’s. Even after one half of play, they couldn’t hide their smug disdain for us. Their commentary was basically it was one half…just wait. They were expecting FSU to take control and run away with it. As it became clear that we were not going away and that we could take FSU’s best punch, they didn’t say anything insightful. On what should have been the GW touchdown, Fowler, with such relief, immediately relayed that there was a flag. Almost instantaneously, they claimed it was the right call. It had to be the right call, because it meant an FSU victory. They didn’t even consider the offensive POV. Their postgame analysis was unbearable. Contrary to what they were saying, the look in their faces betrayed again their utter disdain for Notre Dame. Fowler couldn’t help but crack his signature douchebag smirk.

Regarding the horseshit, pile of cow dung, bullshit call since the Rocket launch was shot down in the Orange bowl, here are the reason why it was utter bullshit:
1. We were killing them with crossing routes.
2. FSU DBs were determined not to give inside position to our WRs on the play.
Hence Ramsey clinch and hold of Prosise.
Hence Darby jumping inside to prevent Fuller from getting inside position.
3. Our formation posed a dilemma for the FSU DBs.
If they gave up the inside to Prosise and Fuller, the middle of the field was wide open. TD ND.

Spare me the call was “justifiable, legitimate, right call” bullshit. Holtz is wrong, like he was wrong trying to start Powlus over McDougal.

This loss is devastating. I hope these young men come back stronger. But let us not disregard the psychological impact of this loss. Like a prize fighter who experiences his first knockdown, this loss can impact this team in a similar way.

Horseshit call. That ref had action on the game. Damn.
 

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We disagree. I think Fuller made an obvious block. He even assumed a blocking stance.(he brought his hands into his chest, with his elbows out and parallel to the ground) And I don't care who initiated the contact. As was pointed out earlier, the rule says that the offensive player has to avoid the contact.

Obvious block? A block is when you are running at a defender. It is clear from the replay that Fuller cut inside trying "to avoid the contact". Darby stepped in front of Fuller. How the hell can Fuller avoid contact if Darby jumps in front of him? Run in reverse. I mean it is really ludicrous that you can make this claim after having the benefit of replay.
 

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Really want FSU to win out and be #1. Would love a rematch if we go 11-1 and finish #4
 

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Every time I watch the replay I get more pissed. I can't even enjoy watching my Browns today. If was flat out a coverage bust.


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This team was robbed of a glorious victory. We played the defending champions on their turf with their best inmate playing in top form and we beat them on the field. There is no moral victory. When these young men remember this game it will not be the hard work, the concentration, and resiliency they displayed, but the shock of a bogus penalty.
All this talk of “we are back” and the nation will view us differently is utter bullshit. The day we hoist the championship trophy is the day the nation will view us differently and take us seriously. Otherwise it is all noise. Yesterday, we won the game on the field only to have it snatched from us by a bogus call.

The douchebag duo of Herbstreet and Fowler made it pretty clear throughout the telecast that we were the inferior team and the game was pretty much FSU’s. Even after one half of play, they couldn’t hide their smug disdain for us. Their commentary was basically it was one half…just wait. They were expecting FSU to take control and run away with it. As it became clear that we were not going away and that we could take FSU’s best punch, they didn’t say anything insightful. On what should have been the GW touchdown, Fowler, with such relief, immediately relayed that there was a flag. Almost instantaneously, they claimed it was the right call. It had to be the right call, because it meant an FSU victory. They didn’t even consider the offensive POV. Their postgame analysis was unbearable. Contrary to what they were saying, the look in their faces betrayed again their utter disdain for Notre Dame. Fowler couldn’t help but crack his signature douchebag smirk.

Regarding the horseshit, pile of cow dung, bullshit call since the Rocket launch was shot down in the Orange bowl, here are the reason why it was utter bullshit:
1. We were killing them with crossing routes.
2. FSU DBs were determined not to give inside position to our WRs on the play.
Hence Ramsey clinch and hold of Prosise.
Hence Darby jumping inside to prevent Fuller from getting inside position.
3. Our formation posed a dilemma for the FSU DBs.
If they gave up the inside to Prosise and Fuller, the middle of the field was wide open. TD ND.

Spare me the call was “justifiable, legitimate, right call” bullshit. Holtz is wrong, like he was wrong trying to start Powlus over McDougal.

This loss is devastating. I hope these young men come back stronger. But let us not disregard the psychological impact of this loss. Like a prize fighter who experiences his first knockdown, this loss can impact this team in a similar way.

Horseshit call. That ref had action on the game. Damn.


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And seriously kmoose ...you about done already? I get it ...we are dumb and you are right...now let it go!
 

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Obvious block? A block is when you are running at a defender. It is clear from the replay that Fuller cut inside trying "to avoid the contact". Darby stepped in front of Fuller. How the hell can Fuller avoid contact if Darby jumps in front of him? Run in reverse. I mean it is really ludicrous that you can make this claim after having the benefit of replay.

It is only ludicrous if you are so emotionally charged about it that you cannot see the logic.

It doesn't matter WHO initiated the contact. It is the offensive player's responsibility to avoid the contact. Now, I readily agree that that is not always possible. But the offensive player cannot SUSTAIN the contact, and then claim that he was just trying to run his route. Your premise that "a block is when you are running at a defender" is false. There are all kinds of blocks. Pass blocking is a good example of when you are not "running at a defender", but you are still blocking.
 

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Unfortunately, didn't get the watch most of the game. Got really sick and had to go home. Money well spent...From what I gathered:

1) Refs broke the cardinal rule of officiating. NEVER, EVER, EVER call a 50/50 penalty on such an important play. Not to mention the contact was initiated by the DEFENDER, not the receiver. If anything, that should be defensive PI.

2) I believe this is the first time this season that we have a 100-yard rusher. Folston was close last week, but he got it this week against a very talented defense.

3) Golson still has things to work out, but he made the plays when he had to...even if one of them was called back...

4) ND is still very much alive in the playoff discussion.
 

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Post of the weekend!

And seriously kmoose ...you about done already? I get it ...we are dumb and you are right...now let it go!

I never called anyone dumb. Do you have a guilty conscience or something?
 

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The team played really tough. I was worried that the Irish would have a tough time moving the ball against the Noles defense. The uptempo seemed to really wear them down.

Regarding the call. It just makes me wonder why that call is so much different than a WR screen, where the WRs have to block the CBs. I would say that the first TD to Robinson was a much worse rub/pick than the final play because it looked like Prosise was blocking rather than getting in the way of the defender.
 

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The team played really tough. I was worried that the Irish would have a tough time moving the ball against the Noles defense. The uptempo seemed to really wear them down.

Regarding the call. It just makes me wonder why that call is so much different than a WR screen, where the WRs have to block the CBs. I would say that the first TD to Robinson was a much worse rub/pick than the final play because it looked like Prosise was blocking rather than getting in the way of the defender.

A WR screen is thrown behind the line of scrimmage. Forward pass, but not crossing the line of scrimmage; that's why the rules are different.
 

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It is only ludicrous if you are so emotionally charged about it that you cannot see the logic.

It doesn't matter WHO initiated the contact. It is the offensive player's responsibility to avoid the contact. Now, I readily agree that that is not always possible. But the offensive player cannot SUSTAIN the contact, and then claim that he was just trying to run his route. Your premise that "a block is when you are running at a defender" is false. There are all kinds of blocks. Pass blocking is a good example of when you are not "running at a defender", but you are still blocking.

Yesterday night I was emotionally charged. Today, I am rationally enraged. Sustain? Who sustained the contact? Not Fuller? Darby cut him off. Where should Fuller go?...Or do you mean Prosise? If so, then I wonder how he could avoid it when Ramsey had his arms wrapped around him.

Tell me exactly what Fuller and Prosise should have done considering the actions of FSU DBs?
 

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6. Don't blame the refs. There were questionable calls on both sides of the LOS, and the Offensive PI that took the touchdown off of the board was a legit call. There were actually TWO guys blocking while the ball was in the air,

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

It was CLEARLY defensive holding on Ramsey against Prosise

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Ramsey with a firm grip on the outside shoulders of Prosise
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Ramsey pulling Prosise down while the ball is in the air. Prosise doesn't have a hand on him.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong.

It was CLEARLY defensive holding on Ramsey against Prosise

So, at best, you would have offsetting fouls. But, seriously......... look how blown up those photos are, to show the holding. An official is supposed to see that, at full speed?
 

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Please explain to us, how the ND WR is supposed to avoid the FSU CB from grabbing him the INSTANT the ball is snapped and hanging onto him the entire play? :krazy:
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> HC Brian Kelly on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FSU?src=hash">#FSU</a> player taking helmet off after that last play, with no flag: "They said that they missed the call."</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/523901500460773378">October 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Yesterday night I was emotionally charged. Today, I am rationally enraged. Sustain? Who sustained the contact? Not Fuller? Darby cut him off. Where should Fuller go?...Or do you mean Prosise? If so, then I wonder how he could avoid it when Ramsey had his arms wrapped around him.

Tell me exactly what Fuller and Prosise should have done considering the actions of FSU DBs?

If Fuller just sits on his route, and turns back to Golson, it is the equivalent of running a hook route. At that point, he legally screens his man away from Robinson, accomplishing the same objective.
 

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So, at best, you would have offsetting fouls. But, seriously......... look how blown up those photos are, to show the holding. An official is supposed to see that, at full speed?

No, I agree. I understand WHY the ref made the wrong call ...but its still the wrong call.

Also, I'm pretty sure the penalty was called on Fuller but if you watch that, Darby at the last instant darts inside Fuller and initiates contact with Fuller thinking it was going to be a quick slant.

After the play Ramsey is SCREAMING at Darby that he was supposed to have the flat. Not looking for a flag.

The refs blew it. I understand WHY they blew it, but they blew it.
 

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So, at best, you would have offsetting fouls. But, seriously......... look how blown up those photos are, to show the holding. An official is supposed to see that, at full speed?

Actually yes, they are officials and they should notice holding. Holy Shit Kmoose did you really just say that refs shouldn't see holding at fullspeed? That is your defense?
 
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#hottaek of the day: we should be ranked #1 in the country. In related news, I'm drunk. Has nothing to do with the game last night.
 

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If Fuller just sits on his route, and turns back to Golson, it is the equivalent of running a hook route. At that point, he legally screens his man away from Robinson, accomplishing the same objective.

Watch Darby in this animated GIF:

Notre Dame Got Screwed in Tallahassee by the Referees | The Big Lead

Just before he and Fuller make contact, Darby by his own choosing STEPS INSIDE, ON HIS OWN, and raises his arms to grab Fuller.

That's not blocking, that's Darby screwing up the coverage.
 

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Wrong, wrong, wrong.



It was CLEARLY defensive holding on Ramsey against Prosise



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Ramsey with a firm grip on the outside shoulders of Prosise

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Ramsey pulling Prosise down while the ball is in the air. Prosise doesn't have a hand on him.

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This is all very nice. But I do think fuller may have interfered.


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