Politics

[BuaConstrictor]

When it comes to economics, finance, budgeting etc.

Bishop: Grok, what do these words mean?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Greenpeace ordered to pay $660M to oil company by judge, prompting bankruptcy fears​

From a couple of days ago:

MSN

Turns out that if you can't convince the public or the courts to see things your way, you're actually not allowed to then harass, trespass, defame, vandalize, and otherwise engage in illegal activities just because you don't like someone else's view or policies or actions. Who knew?

The company also touted the verdict as a “win” for “Americans who understand the difference between the right to free speech and breaking the law.”

Greenpeace has been ordered to pay more than $660 million in damages to the developer of the Dakota Access Pipeline after the environmental group was found to have defamed the company and its protestors incited illegal behavior.

The nine-person jury at the Morton County courthouse in Mandan, North Dakota, delivered Wednesday's verdict in favor of Enegery Transfer, a Texas-based oil giant.

Greenpeace was found liable for defamation, trespass, nuisance, and civil conspiracy, among other acts, in an attempt to prevent the construction of the pipeline more than eight years ago. The group previously warned that it could face bankruptcy if it lost this case.

The activist group accused Energy Transfer of taking aggressive action against protestors and desecrating Native American burial grounds; the oil company claimed that Greenpeace was engaged in a “vast, malicious publicity campaign” against them in an attempt to tarnish its relationships with banks funding the pipeline.

“These are the facts, not the fake news of the Greenpeace propaganda machine,” Trey Cox, the lead attorney representing Energy Transfer, said in a press conference outside the courthouse.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You guys should keep doing what you've been doing. It's working well. You have a great message that really appeals to mainstream America. The reason you got roasted in November is that you just didn't shout it loud enough. It'll work next time. Really.

 

[GATTACA!]

You guys should keep doing what you've been doing. It's working well. You have a great message that really appeals to mainstream America. The reason you got roasted in November is that you just didn't shout it loud enough. It'll work next time. Really.

You realize the reason they are unpopular right now is because people want them to change their approach right? I don't understand how you can keep typing this same message out and never reach the logical conclusion.

 

[TorontoGold]

You realize the reason they are unpopular right now is because people want them to change their approach right? I don't understand how you can keep typing this same message out and never reach the logical conclusion.

I think he just wants pre-Southern switch Dems to come back.

 

[Tejas]

I don't like a lot of Republican politicians. I can't think of one Democrat that I can even stomach. Maybe Fetterman? He turned a 180 after he got elected. He's probably a clone though.

 

[NDVirginia19]

There were plenty of pretty viable democrats that I liked or at least respected pretty well until 2016 and Trump came around and fried their instincts for good politics. Tim Kaine is a good example IMO. The problem the democrats had is that they coronated such dogshit politicians like Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020 (though to their credit he won, but I think had 2020 been a normal cycle and COVID hadn’t happened Trump would have been reelected). They choked out the talent that would have built the bench by trying to be too manufactured in their nominees. Some Dems out there like Shapiro and Beshear have potential (and I always thought Klobuchar was good) but as long as they keep doing dumb bullshit like land acknowledgements they’ll continue to step on their own feet.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Something like 43% of the electorate is independent. So what do the Republicans and Democrats do? They primary the crap out of people because they are not conservative/liberal enough. So the independents get served a poo platter and are told they have a choice.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You realize the reason they are unpopular right now is because people want them to change their approach right? I don't understand how you can keep typing this same message out and never reach the logical conclusion.

Want them to change their approach??? You mean from the one that failed so badly in November? You mean the ideas and policies and idiotic woke and gender ideology that the country rejected? NOW you're starting to get my point. Dem voters want something different than what failed. You know, the stuff that we TOLD you over and over was stupid, bad, made no sense, and would get rejected... and you defended as brilliant and good and so on. You know, THAT stuff that they now want changed.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I think he just wants pre-Southern switch Dems to come back.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Want them to change their approach??? You mean from the one that failed so badly in November? You mean the ideas and policies and idiotic woke and gender ideology that the country rejected? NOW you're starting to get my point. Dem voters want something different than what failed. You know, the stuff that we TOLD you over and over was stupid, bad, made no sense, and would get rejected... and you defended as brilliant and good and so on. You know, THAT stuff that they now want changed.

The only party that ran on anything regarding gender ideology was the Republican party who decided they needed to focus their campaign and policies targeting a group of people that makes up less than 1% of the American population

 

[GATTACA!]

Want them to change their approach??? You mean from the one that failed so badly in November? You mean the ideas and policies and idiotic woke and gender ideology that the country rejected? NOW you're starting to get my point. Dem voters want something different than what failed. You know, the stuff that we TOLD you over and over was stupid, bad, made no sense, and would get rejected... and you defended as brilliant and good and so on. You know, THAT stuff that they now want changed.

Who the fuck wanted Kamala to run?? Certainly no one on this board that I can remember.

 

[NDVirginia19]

The only party that ran on anything regarding gender ideology was the Republican party who decided they needed to focus their campaign and policies targeting a group of people that makes up less than 1% of the American population

I mean campaign on, sure, but the Biden administration itself implemented policy promoting and legal action challenging restrictions against hormonal treatment for children. I think it’s disingenuous to pretend that republicans created their campaign stances in a vacuum

 

[TorontoGold]

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Remember when you got walked like a dog in the Economy thread? And then were either too scared, too cowardly, or just too stupid to respond? We all saw that performance. I can tell by how much you like to refer to others as “soy” or “betas” that you’re insecure about the way you’re perceived. I imagine it’s tough to see someone like Virginia who’s capable of having a sourced discussion.

That kind of person is in no place to refer to others as stupid.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I mean campaign on, sure, but the Biden administration itself implemented policy promoting and legal action challenging restrictions against hormonal treatment for children. I think it’s disingenuous to pretend that republicans created their campaign stances in a vacuum

That's the whole argument tho. One party wants to remove access for it all together and the other part doesn't really want the government to determine what healthcare options are available. And the Republicans made it one of their biggest campaign policy talking points

 

[Bishop2b5]

The only party that ran on anything regarding gender ideology was the Republican party who decided they needed to focus their campaign and policies targeting a group of people that makes up less than 1% of the American population

Come on, Colorado. That's a grossly inaccurate bit of spin and misrepresentation. Republicans didn't make gender ideology an issue. Democrats did by doing everything they could to shove it on elementary and even preschool kids, supporting men in women's sports, and generally just shoving in our face 24/7. You got pushback on it because of that. We were fine with letting you believe what you wanted, but when your side went waaaaaay over the line with drag queen story hour, pushing it to little kids, and the whole men in women's sports, you started a war. Don't start a war then complain that you're taking incoming fire.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Remember when you got walked like a dog in the Economy thread? And then were either too scared, too cowardly, or just too stupid to respond? We all saw that performance.

No, I don't. You live in a fantasy world where men are women, women are men, weak is strong, and stupid is genius. You have no judgement and you're weak. Stop talking.

I can tell by how much you like to refer to others as “soy” or “betas” that you’re insecure about the way you’re perceived. I imagine it’s tough to see someone like Virginia who’s capable of having a sourced discussion.

That kind of person is in no place to refer to others as stupid.

I refer to you and a few others as soy boys and betas because you are. Read your posts and try to understand how grown men view you after you express some of your views of the world. It's not that I'm trying to insult you. I'm simply describing you.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Come on, Colorado. That's a grossly inaccurate bit of spin and misrepresentation. Republicans didn't make gender ideology an issue. Democrats did by doing everything they could to shove it on elementary and even preschool kids, supporting men in women's sports, and generally just shoving in our face 24/7. You got pushback on it because of that. We were fine with letting you believe what you wanted, but when your side went waaaaaay over the line with drag queen story hour, pushing it to little kids, and the whole men in women's sports, you started a war. Don't start a war then complain that you're taking incoming fire.

Stop with this my side shit. That bull shit mindset is why we can't have any in depth conversations. The rights stance is to eradicate gender ideology and completely remove access to healthcare for it at all. No one shoved it on your face besides fox news or because you seemed out.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Stop with this my side shit. That bull shit mindset is why we can't have any in depth conversations. The rights stance is to eradicate gender ideology and completely remove access to healthcare for it at all. No one shoved it on your face besides fox news or because you seemed out.

OK, then democrats and the LGBQT community. The Right does want to eradicate gender ideology because it's nonsense. It's a made up, completely separated from reality, mental health issue. We don't hate trans people. We think you're treating the symptom instead of the cause. Nobody is stopping you from having surgery, no matter how unnecessary or harmful, just as nobody is stopping someone from unnecessary lip injections or chin implants. We're just not going to pay for it, and we're not going to tolerate it being pushed in schools to little kids... and the Dems and LGBQT community most certainly HAS done that. Now, I'm glad to have a civil, reasonable discussion with you any time, but don't insult my intelligence by claiming the left hasn't pushed this HARD and shoved it in our face.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Who the fuck wanted Kamala to run?? Certainly no one on this board that I can remember.

I'm well aware that you didn't want Kamala as the candidate. You said so more than once last year. However, I didn't mention Kamala in my post. I said that the policies, ideas, gender ideology, and other woke nonsense are the things that led to the Dems losing in November. Those are the things that are driving the 30% approval ratings for the Dems right now and the things Dem voters want to change. My point was that those are the things we criticized last year and you and the other liberals advocated for and defended. We told you then that they were ridiculous, bad, and unappealing to the average voter, but you got mad about that and defended them.

 

[TorontoGold]

No, I don't. You live in a fantasy world where men are women, women are men, weak is strong, and stupid is genius. You have no judgement and you're weak. Stop talking.


I refer to you and a few others as soy boys and betas because you are. Read your posts and try to understand how grown men view you after you express some of your views of the world. It's not that I'm trying to insult you. I'm simply describing you.

You can’t remember? You can go back into the thread and see. You cowered out and just laugh reacted to everyone’s posts. You couldn’t respond and now are trying to say you can’t remember.

For all the talk about how Dems are focused on gender, it’s the only thing you care about. Why are you incapable of discussion?

Grown men? I don’t know how they do it where you’re from, but typically grown men are not trans fixed on whether or not some person has a dick. I come down to your level to speak on topics you’re comfortable talking about. You can’t come up to my level, you don’t even try which is honestly sad. Why is it that you can’t discuss anything other than gender, what is holding you back? You would be treated a lot better than just the board meme.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

You can’t remember? You can go back into the thread and see. You cowered out and just laugh reacted to everyone’s posts. You couldn’t respond and now are trying to say you can’t remember.

For all the talk about how Dems are focused on gender, it’s the only thing you care about. Why are you incapable of discussion?

Grown men? I don’t know how they do it where you’re from, but typically grown men are not trans fixed on whether or not some person has a dick. I come down to your level to speak on topics you’re comfortable talking about. You can’t come up to my level, you don’t even try which is honestly sad. Why is it that you can’t discuss anything other than gender, what is holding you back? You would be treated a lot better than just the board meme.

Those people are called chasers

 

[GATTACA!]

I'm well aware that you didn't want Kamala as the candidate. You said so more than once last year. However, I didn't mention Kamala in my post. I said that the policies, ideas, gender ideology, and other woke nonsense are the things that led to the Dems losing in November. Those are the things that are driving the 30% approval ratings for the Dems right now and the things Dem voters want to change. My point was that those are the things we criticized last year and you and the other liberals advocated for and defended. We told you then that they were ridiculous, bad, and unappealing to the average voter, but you got mad about that and defended them.

Exit polling across the board puts all of those things as bottom tier issues. And besides the point Kamala didn't campaign on trans rights or gender identity at all anyways.

Post-Election Poll: The Issues That Mattered Most In The Battleground

Poll on the key issues that drove vote choice for Congressional battleground districts and who voters trust most to handle these issues.

navigatorresearch.org

They lost because Kamala was a bad candidate and had to throw together a rush job of a campaign. Biden should have stuck to his word and never sought reelection. Any cogent Dem destroys Trump. The Dems were dumb enough to find candidates that somehow lost to one of the least popular president in US history 2/3 times.

What do I know. I'm sure some boomer from Alabama is really tuned in to the mind of the democratic voter.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Exit polling across the board puts all of those things as bottom tier issues. And besides the point Kamala didn't campaign on trans rights or gender identity at all anyways.

She may not have, but the Dems pushed those issues HARD for the past few years, so most voters made no distinction between her specific policies (which she went out of her way to avoid discussing) and her party as a whole.

Post-Election Poll: The Issues That Mattered Most In The Battleground

Poll on the key issues that drove vote choice for Congressional battleground districts and who voters trust most to handle these issues.

navigatorresearch.org

They lost because Kamala was a bad candidate and had to throw together a rush job of a campaign. Biden should have stuck to his word and never sought reelection. Any cogent Dem destroys Trump. The Dems were dumb enough to find candidates that somehow lost to one of the least popular president in US history 2/3 times.

What do I know. I'm sure some boomer from Alabama is really tuned in to the mind of the democratic voter.

Kamala didn't help, but she is by NO means the only reason the Dems lost. She's a non-entity now, so why are the Dems polling so badly then? What change is it that dem voters want? It's not a change from Kamala. She's out of the picture. If it's not their wacky, anti-common sense ideas, then what is it?

I may be a boomer from Alabama, but I can read a poll and analyze an election. You apparently can't. Your party's ideas and philosophy and policies got rejected and voted out. That you don't understand why is not my fault. It's yours.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Something like 43% of the electorate is independent.

I saw that recent polling and it was pretty surprising because it cut against any of the recent analysis by either party..and really election results in general. There was the old "myth of thirds" that when they drill down on the overall "independents" they end up really being most members of a party that are simply disillusioned with their preference but have a very low chance of "switching sides" in an election. They are more likely to stay home than they are to code switch.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Republicans didn't make gender ideology an issue.

One of Trump's most memorable ads is based around that very issue. The fuck are you talking about?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Just to be clear...in a previous post you said:

Republicans didn't make gender ideology an issue.

then follow it up with:

The Right does want to eradicate gender ideology because it's nonsense

So....when people point out that you generally have no idea what you're talking about and absolutely zero basis for anything you say.....please refer to these examples in the future.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

but I can read a poll and analyze an election

You really can't.
1. You're only analyzing the most recent election. In the 2022 midterms the GOP got dog walked compared to what people expected to happen.
2. What happened to the Democrats was part of a more broad electoral phenomenon that occurred around the world with incumbent politicians in the post COVID world.
3. I posted a long form from the New York Times last week that broke down polling realities for the Democrats. It's worth a read beyond the "polls" that you..never actually cite.
4. I covered some of the Democratic Party's issues last week in terms of "big tent" problems. I'll post again:
A lot of what it comes down to is Democrats haven't figured out how to solve their "big tent" problem.

Obama helped energize new people into the party and the Dems have yet to figure out how to effectively leverage that voter bloc in subsequent elections. Right now they are caught between running candidates that are too establishment and alienate/don't activate the more progressive wings of the party...and the progressives haven't figured out how to effectively message to the center/establishment.

Which is to say, Democrats may continue to poll poorly to their own base because there are a lot of mouths to feed. You see somewhat of the same issue with the GOP and Trump. Outside of MAGA, the overall cohesion of the party isn't very good and doesn't poll really well on a consistent basis. It's why top of ballot won't match down ballot or vice versa.

 

[GATTACA!]

Bishop

 

[drayer54]

This made my morning coffee even better.