Politics

[RDU Irish]

I think it’s a bubble and a cult problem on both sides.

I lose my mind talking to conservatives who think the deep state stole 2020, Pence is a traitor, and only Trump can save us. Uniparty! RINOs!

Conversely, you see people falling in line with left wing ideology just as hard. Look at anyone pretending Biden is doing one armed pushups and jeopardy every night or follow the Arabella Advisors money.

Also- lots of those MAGA extremists are smart grifters who are making tons of money stirring outrage and alternate reality. I’ve seen people make millions by making angry videos online, raising money to fight back against the Republicans from the right. They pay themselves consulting fees and printing fees and conceal the insane profits. Some of the left wingers do this too. It’s business to be extreme these days. Turning Point USA does this. Marjorie T Green in Georgia has known grifters on her staff.

The Cult is real and I wish I knew how to break it. Fortunately, Trump is really old.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/politics/senate-vote-foreign-aid-ukraine-israel-dg/index.html

Two dems and an independent voted against this so you can say there was also bipartisan opposition while Ukraine went 4-0 in the Dakotas. Swept Idaho, Iowa and Louisiana - sounds in step with those constituents to me.

You aren't wrong about grifters and attention whores but just so happens all of these d-bags below happen to be grifters too. They just suckle quietly off the lobbyist teat so you don't know most of their names. Pork is the Uniparty unifier. Anyone donating to any political campaign or thinking any politician "cares about them" needs their head examined.

Everyone made the same cult references about Ross Perot, Rand Paul and then the Tea Party. Rather than address the reasonable grievances to build either base - Rs and Ds run public grifts to each extreme to scare people out of their money while the middle of the road grifts work the shadows to line their pockets with generational wealth. The only reason I like Trump is because I think his grift promotes better policies than the rest.

AR Boozman
WV Capito
LA Cassidy
ME Collins
TX Cornyn
ND Cramer
ID Crapo
IA Ernst
IA Grassley
ND Hoeven
LA Kennedy (that is surprising to me)
KY McConnell
KS Moran
AK Murkowski
ID Risch
UT Romney
SD Rounds
AK Sullivan
SD Thune
NC Tillis
MS Wicker
IN Young

 

[drayer54]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/politics/senate-vote-foreign-aid-ukraine-israel-dg/index.html

Two dems and an independent voted against this so you can say there was also bipartisan opposition while Ukraine went 4-0 in the Dakotas. Swept Idaho, Iowa and Louisiana - sounds in step with those constituents to me.

You aren't wrong about grifters and attention whores but just so happens all of these d-bags below happen to be grifters too. They just suckle quietly off the lobbyist teat so you don't know most of their names. Pork is the Uniparty unifier. Anyone donating to any political campaign or thinking any politician "cares about them" needs their head examined.

Everyone made the same cult references about Ross Perot, Rand Paul and then the Tea Party. Rather than address the reasonable grievances to build either base - Rs and Ds run public grifts to each extreme to scare people out of their money while the middle of the road grifts work the shadows to line their pockets with generational wealth. The only reason I like Trump is because I think his grift promotes better policies than the rest.

AR Boozman
WV Capito
LA Cassidy
ME Collins
TX Cornyn
ND Cramer
ID Crapo
IA Ernst
IA Grassley
ND Hoeven
LA Kennedy (that is surprising to me)
KY McConnell
KS Moran
AK Murkowski
ID Risch
UT Romney
SD Rounds
AK Sullivan
SD Thune
NC Tillis
MS Wicker
IN Young

From a policy perspective, I’m fine with Trump.
It’s just literally everything else I don’t want to deal with again. I don’t need a President I’d get a beer with. But he is just so much baggage and annoying.

 

[RDU Irish]

From a policy perspective, I’m fine with Trump.
It’s just literally everything else I don’t want to deal with again. I don’t need a President I’d get a beer with. But he is just so much baggage and annoying.

So it's more important to be liked than to do good. This is why you get Trump and not Desantis on the ballot.

 

[NDMatt91]

I think Cruz will win, but it's not a safe seat. He has underperformed every time he has been on the ballot and he has a guy who has never gotten more than 52% in Texas, and is far more toxic now than in 2016 or 2020, at the top of the ballot.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Yes, please.

Joe Manchin floats Mitt Romney as a potential running mate as he weighs a presidential bid

The West Virginia senator made the comment Thursday in Cleveland, the latest stop on his "listening tour" as he ponders a third-party White House campaign.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[PerthDomer]

Yes, please.

Joe Manchin floats Mitt Romney as a potential running mate as he weighs a presidential bid

The West Virginia senator made the comment Thursday in Cleveland, the latest stop on his "listening tour" as he ponders a third-party White House campaign.

www.nbcnews.com

In the Romney book, Romney said he briefly considered this and thought it would be a disaster. He's shared that thought w Joe. Romney thinks if this worked it'd probably be in helping more moderates winning legislative races. Like endorsing a moderate when they run vs a radical.

 

[PerthDomer]

I think Cruz will win, but it's not a safe seat. He has underperformed every time he has been on the ballot and he has a guy who has never gotten more than 52% in Texas, and is far more toxic now than in 2016 or 2020, at the top of the ballot.

Beto came surprisingly close and Cruz is really disliked. He's also probably going to be running against a charismatic former football star.

Congress would be a whole lot more productive if Cruz left the senate. Dude is a cancer.

 

[Sea Turtle]

In the Romney book, Romney said he briefly considered this and thought it would be a disaster. He's shared that thought w Joe. Romney thinks if this worked it'd probably be in helping more moderates winning legislative races. Like endorsing a moderate when they run vs a radical.

I really like both of these guys. They are what the country needs. Kennedy too.

 

[PerthDomer]

I really like both of these guys. They are what the country needs. Kennedy too.

Romney and Kennedey represent about opposite political orientations. Pro establishment/institutions vs a populist who wants to burn it all down and peddles in conspiracy theories.

I'm on record saying of all our politicians, Romney would have dealt with the pandemic best. Really wish he'd have run in 2016.

 

[drayer54]

The D out to get Trump is having a great day!

Yes, please.

Joe Manchin floats Mitt Romney as a potential running mate as he weighs a presidential bid

The West Virginia senator made the comment Thursday in Cleveland, the latest stop on his "listening tour" as he ponders a third-party White House campaign.

www.nbcnews.com

I thought Romney was gonna put y’all back in chains???? Must have been hyperbole.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I think Cruz will win, but it's not a safe seat. He has underperformed every time he has been on the ballot and he has a guy who has never gotten more than 52% in Texas, and is far more toxic now than in 2016 or 2020, at the top of the ballot.

Texas is still Texas...for now. Cruz will win but 4 more years of Biden border policies could flip this in 4 years, which is the Dems' goal.

 

[PerthDomer]

Texas is still Texas...for now. Cruz will win but 4 more years of Biden border policies could flip this in 4 years, which is the Dems' goal.

Texas is moving left, but because of internal migration and the rapid expansion of its cities/white suburbanites moving sharply left. The only thing that mitigated that in 2020 was the heavily Hispanic Rio Grande Valley moving right.

If Trends continue Texas will shift left but end up being red to the degree Florida is. Ted Cruz is pretty toxic, so if he runs 3 or 4 points behind Trump Allred could win. But it'd be an uphill battle.

Just in case you didn't know, 1st generation legal immigrants vote at a low rate once they become citizens. It takes years for a legal immigrant to get to citizenship. And illegal immigrants can't/don't vote. Neither can people who claim asylum. There's only really downside in it for them (no vote decides an election, voter fraud gets you jailed/tossed out of country fast).

 

[drayer54]

Just in case you didn't know, 1st generation legal immigrants vote at a low rate once they become citizens. It takes years for a legal immigrant to get to citizenship. And illegal immigrants can't/don't vote. Neither can people who claim asylum. There's only really downside in it for them (no vote decides an election, voter fraud gets you jailed/tossed out of country fast).

How many millionmigrans do you need to inject into Texas to turn it blue?

 

[PerthDomer]

How many millionmigrans do you need to inject into Texas to turn it blue?

You mean techies from California? Bout tree fiddy.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think Cruz will win, but it's not a safe seat. He has underperformed every time he has been on the ballot and he has a guy who has never gotten more than 52% in Texas, and is far more toxic now than in 2016 or 2020, at the top of the ballot.

Sell.

Beyond safe for Cruz.

 

[PerthDomer]

Sell.

Beyond safe for Cruz.

He beat Beto by 2.5%. Texas is 4 or 5 points bluer than is was in 2018 and Allred is more moderate than Beto was.

I'd take Cruz, but he's got the ability to lose this.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Texas is moving left, but because of internal migration and the rapid expansion of its cities/white suburbanites moving sharply left. The only thing that mitigated that in 2020 was the heavily Hispanic Rio Grande Valley moving right.

If Trends continue Texas will shift left but end up being red to the degree Florida is. Ted Cruz is pretty toxic, so if he runs 3 or 4 points behind Trump Allred could win. But it'd be an uphill battle.

Just in case you didn't know, 1st generation legal immigrants vote at a low rate once they become citizens. It takes years for a legal immigrant to get to citizenship. And illegal immigrants can't/don't vote. Neither can people who claim asylum. There's only really downside in it for them (no vote decides an election, voter fraud gets you jailed/tossed out of country fast).

Ted Cruz is toxic if you work at MSNBC, but not toxic enough to keep him from winning elections, and your opinion on him carries zero weight because you don't vote in Texas.

And if you think illegal immigrants don't vote, there were numerous instances in 2020 election that say otherwise.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

He beat Beto by 2.5%. Texas is 4 or 5 points bluer than is was in 2018 and Allred is more moderate than Beto was.

I'd take Cruz, but he's got the ability to lose this.

Understood, but I don't see it happening. The ability to lose and actually losing are miles apart when it comes to these Senate races.

 

[drayer54]

Ted Cruz is toxic if you work at MSNBC, but not toxic enough to keep him from winning elections, and your opinion on him carries zero weight because you don't vote in Texas.

And if you think illegal immigrants don't vote, there were numerous instances in 2020 election that say otherwise.

Correct- plus 2018 was a “blue wave” year. Cruz should be fine, especially in a state so harmed by Biden’s botched border policies.

 

[GATTACA!]

Correct- plus 2018 was a “blue wave” year. Cruz should be fine, especially in a state so harmed by Biden’s botched border policies.

“harmed”

 

[drayer54]

“harmed”

Chicago, NYC, and DC mayors aren't happy about it. This below is what Democrats want. They will preach about safety and cheerlead this bullshit.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Chicago, NYC, and DC mayors aren't happy about it. This below is what Democrats want. They will preach about safety and cheerlead this bullshit.

Don't any of you hard blue voters at least wonder HOW migrants from different continents arrived at our border?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

“harmed”

When schools, rec centers, community centers are closed for the citizens to house the noncitizens...yes we can say harmed, affected, impacted, etc.

 

[Armyirish47]

Don't any of you hard blue voters at least wonder HOW migrants from different continents arrived at our border?

I don't know about hard blue voters, but is it wildly different from how the Polish got here? Or still pretty much the Nina, the Pinta, and the get me the fuck outta here?

 

[GATTACA!]

When schools, rec centers, community centers are closed for the citizens to house the noncitizens...yes we can say harmed, affected, impacted, etc.

I think we should welcome them into our mega churches just as Christ would have.

 

[drayer54]

I think we should welcome them into our mega churches just as Christ would have.

You can put that Venezuelan crime gang in your church. The Chinese spies, have em. 7 million at a time, no problem.

 

[GATTACA!]

You can put that Venezuelan crime gang in your church. The Chinese spies, have em. 7 million at a time, no problem.

There's enough good guys with guns in there to keep everyone safe.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I don't know about hard blue voters, but is it wildly different from how the Polish got here? Or still pretty much the Nina, the Pinta, and the get me the fuck outta here?

Comparing late 1800's/ early 1900's immigration to the stuff we've seen at our border over the past few years is disingenuous, and you're smart enough to know that.

Further, the people who left Europe on big ships for New York went through a legal immigration process.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I think we should welcome them into our mega churches just as Christ would have.

I'd take you seriously if you welcomed them into your home instead.