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    Votes: 4 1.1%
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    Votes: 172 48.9%
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irishpat183

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You just proved everyone's point that knows he did not do the job he was voted in to do.
His #1 priority was the economy and as you stated he waited to year 3-4 to start working on it. If you were hired to do a job and you waited that long to start on the task at hand, you would not have made it to year four. He put himself, his ego, and his need to create a legacy with Obama Care before the Country. Oh and by the way, I just had to enroll in my companies health care plan and the new cost is a joke. The company now has to provide (of which the cost are now passed on to us) breast feeding classes (I don't think we have a woman under 45 in the company) and contraceptive training (most people in the company are married) starting next year. The cost are supposed to rise another 20 percent in 2014.

I also attended a manufacturer's conference this week and the picture that was painted for the next few years makes 2007-2009 look like the glory days. One of the companies that has over 1,200 employees today in California alone said by the end of next year if things do not change would definitely not have that many and more than likely not be having any employees based in California (the other 49 states should learn from Cali's liberal mistakes). The spokesman for this company also said that there is a great possibility they would not be doing any manufacturing at all in the US. If there are 1,200 employees in just CA, I am not sure how many people would be affected if they stopped operations in the US altogether.

To tug at said heart strings of GoIrish41....it's too easy. Keep em angry and emotional.


And if the ACA is so fantastic...why are people (mainly politicans and unions) running for waivers? Why are the people that create these programs....unwilling to participate in them?
 

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haha... irishpat. No offense homie, but your last three posts read like someone desperately grasping at straws. Pointing out every talking point you can think of in efforts to make some point that doesn't exist.

Just another time where I read your posts and actually see the guy in your avatard saying it. lol.

Talking points or not....it's the truth.

And the biggest talking point, people dying in the streets, is the most ridiculous
 

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To tug at said heart strings of GoIrish41....it's too easy. Keep em angry and emotional.


And if the ACA is so fantastic...why are people (mainly politicans and unions) running for waivers? Why are the people that create these programs....unwilling to participate in them?

We find it simple and easy...

Basic economics and math vs emotion and good intentions
 

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The same thing to make of Obama when he fipped on gay marriage 3 times.....of course when he needed votes.

This is an idiotic example. Obama never made declarative statements about gay marriage. He never said he was emphatically for it and he never said he was going to work to get rid of it. He was a centrist on the issue and said so repeatedly. It was far from politically expedient for him to come out in favor of gay marriage. African Americans were outraged that he did it. With the exception of a single state, every one that had gay marriage as a ballet initiative said NO. He didn't choose his position to flip votes, he did it despite the possibility that it would turn voters away. Romney, on the other hand, said he found it immoral to continue funding FEMA because it cost too much. He said it was not the federal government's role to deal with disasters -- that it was the states' responsibility. Now, he is saying the complete opposite -- as if he never made the first statement. This is the very definition of a flip flop. It is a well established pattern with Romney and gives any reasonable observer pause because they don't know where he stands on ANY issue. It is all about whatever he needs to say to get elected. He has no soul.
 

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‘YOU HAVE THE BLOOD OF AN AMERICAN HERO ON YOUR HANDS’
U-T San Diego Editorial Board

Originally published October 31, 2012 at 12:01a.m., updated October 30, 2012 at 05:14p.m.

What did President Barack Obama know and when did he know it? Why has the Obama administration kept changing its story about how Ambassador Chris Stevens, security officials Tyrone Woods of Imperial Beach and Glen Doherty of Encinitas, and information officer Sean Smith, who grew up in San Diego, died on Sept. 11 in Benghazi, Libya? Why won’t the mainstream media treat the incontrovertible evidence of the White House’s dishonesty and incompetence like the ugly scandal it obviously is?

These are all questions that demand to be answered after revelations that demolished the tidy narrative the president has been offering about Benghazi.

Until last week, the White House had taken a moderate hit over the fact that for two weeks after it happened, officials had fostered the impression that the four Americans were killed Sept. 11 in a spontaneous protest triggered by a blasphemous anti-Islam video posted on YouTube – not by a coordinated terrorist attack on the 11th anniversary of 9/11. But administration officials pushed back by saying the “fog of war” had left them uncertain about events, and that when White House press secretary Jay Carney and U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice had cited the video, they were only repeating the best available information they had. The president’s repeated comments conveyed the impression that he wasn’t aware of the attacks as they were unfolding, saying only that the next day, he ordered increased security for embassies in the area.

But after a torrent of leaks of official emails and communiqués – likely coming from CIA officials who refuse to participate in a cover-up and/or who won’t accept the role of scapegoat – the “fog of war” narrative looks like damage control: a determined attempt to keep the facts from the public until after the Nov. 6 election. After the leaks, the president suddenly changed his story to say he was aware of the attacks as they unfolded and had quickly issued an order to “make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to.”

There was no “fog.” There was no spontaneous uprising. Thanks to a drone and other surveillance technology, the White House’s national security team knew in real time that the U.S. consulate and a “safe house” a mile away in Benghazi were under coordinated attack by a well-armed group, not from a protest that unexpectedly escalated. Over a seven-hour span on Sept. 11, the besieged Americans made at least two urgent requests for help; the U.S. military has considerable assets in the area that could have been deployed to Benghazi.

Who told the besieged Americans they were out of luck?

After hints appeared in the media that it was the CIA’s fault, the spy agency – obviously at the behest of CIA Director David Petraeus – put out a statement Friday that flatly denied it opposed coming to the rescue of Stevens, Young, Doherty and Smith. At roughly the same time, in a TV interview, the president offered his new narrative of being aware of the crisis and taking decisive action, while refusing to answer the direct question of whether Americans in Benghazi requested help but were rejected. A day later, however, the White House said in fact that it had never received requests for help. This sets up the Pentagon to take the fall.

On Monday, incredibly, Obama acted put-upon by the questions about his administration’s integrity. In a TV appearance, he said, “I do take offense with some suggestion that in any way, we haven’t tried to make sure that the American people knew as the information was coming in what we believed.” Remember, the president made this statement only after leaks the previous week demolished his and his administration’s dishonest, intentionally misleading Benghazi narrative.

It has now been seven weeks since the terrorist attack. We deserve to know the truth. Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods, the former Navy SEAL from Imperial Beach, said it best in a Monday TV interview.

“I can’t imagine anyone with any heart that would watch a battle rage for seven hours knowing that heroes were there that were going to be slaughtered if you didn’t have help sent in. ... Whoever it was that was in that room watching that video of my son dying, their cries for help, their order ‘don’t help them at all, let them die’ ... you have the blood of my son, you have the blood of an American hero on your hands. I don’t know who you are, but one of these days the truth will come out.”

The senior Woods is correct. Inevitably, there will be a bipartisan fact-finding commission into this terrible tragedy and its cover-up.

Unless the mainstream media stops abetting the cover-up and the facts come out without a commission wielding subpoena power.

Isn’t this a story – a gigantic story?

Of course. But we fear that ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, The New York Times and The Washington Post will only choose to realize how obvious this is after Nov. 6. Then it will come to them – spontaneously, we’re sure.

‘YOU HAVE THE BLOOD OF AN AMERICAN HERO ON YOUR HANDS’
 

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This is an idiotic example. Obama never made declarative statements about gay marriage. He never said he was emphatically for it and he never said he was going to work to get rid of it. He was a centrist on the issue and said so repeatedly. It was far from politically expedient for him to come out in favor of gay marriage. African Americans were outraged that he did it. With the exception of a single state, every one that had gay marriage as a ballet initiative said NO. He didn't choose his position to flip votes, he did it despite the possibility that it would turn voters away. Romney, on the other hand, said he found it immoral to continue funding FEMA because it cost too much. He said it was not the federal government's role to deal with disasters -- that it was the states' responsibility. Now, he is saying the complete opposite -- as if he never made the first statement. This is the very definition of a flip flop. It is a well established pattern with Romney and gives any reasonable observer pause because they don't know where he stands on ANY issue. It is all about whatever he needs to say to get elected. He has no soul.

Immoral is letting four American's die in Libya and doing nothing about it and then with the help of the liberal media covering it up as if it never happened.
 
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Tackle the debt BY cutting spending -- exclusively -- which means that a dramatic cut in programs that are needed by poor people to survive. Can't make Grover mad by raising taxes.

Is this a Grover Cleveland reference??
 

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Give me a f*cking break.

No. Federal policies that are built on spending more than you have, blaming "the rich" for all the problems, and progressive tax rates are exactly the reason why Spain and Greece look the way they do now. Governments realized they couldn't afford the nanny state anymore, had to make cuts, and spoiled citizens riot in the streets because their free $hit is being taken away. Math eventually catches up.

Not to mention debt a lot worse than ours and 25% unemployment. That is immoral. Want to see Obama's America in 2016? Go take a week's vacation to one of those countries and let me know how it goes.
 

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No. Federal policies that are built on spending more than you have, blaming "the rich" for all the problems, and progressive tax rates are exactly the reason why Spain and Greece look the way they do now. Governments realized they couldn't afford the nanny state anymore, had to make cuts, and spoiled citizens riot in the streets because their free $hit is being taken away. Math eventually catches up.

Not to mention debt a lot worse than ours and 25% unemployment. That is immoral. Want to see Obama's America in 2016? Go take a week's vacation to one of those countries and let me know how it goes.

I made my comment because Romney's math doesn't come close to adding up.
 
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No, it's Norquist. Just another Dem. bogeyman.

Damn. I don't know too much of Grover Cleveland other than his obvious uniqueness, but I do really love some of his quotes:

"Once the coffers of the federal government are opened to the public, there will be no shutting them again."

"Our citizens have the right to protection from the incompetency of public employees..."

"Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the Government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character..."

"What is the use of being elected or reelected, unless you stand for something?"

Under our scheme of government the waste of public money is a crime against the citizen...

I of course insert "(federal)" before the word government. I cannot stand objection to government as a whole.
 
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You're forgetting that you have to cut spending by that much more than the defense budget increases that they don't need ( by their own cuts), but keep the defense welfare industry going. Plus, it sounds suh-weet n' patriotic to throw more money at the troops (except the troops won't see a dime of it).

I agree we do not need a major increase defense spending but it would be much more catastrophic to go through with the huge cut Obama has proposed for it and sequestration. Do you realize what that will do to our defense? The last time anything like this was ever looked research the effects it had on our military and it was not even this big. In Leon Panettas own words these defense cuts would be disaster for our security if go through. Then you have the President speak in the debate saying that sequestration would not happen but right after the debate the whitehouse retracts that and in his economic plan he includes sequestration. This would create a"Hollow" military by most expert's opinions. Some of the consequences it will have:

1) Huge amount of job loss in your so called welfare industry in the low estimates we are talking about hundreds of thousand most likely. There are some estimates much higher and some much lower but I think it is somewhere in the middle (you should really look into things before you shoot your mouth off and what the defense industry actually does)
2) Would have devastaing effects on the intelligence community (pre 9/11 intel?)
3)Due to the looming defense cuts all military parts purchasing has already started to reverse auction the lowest bids on military parts which opens the door to many inferior products and chinese fakes
4)Not being able to properly maintain all our weapons and systems ( as stated by deputy defense sec. ashton carter)
5)delaying payment to the suppliers and services
6)Canceling or delaying key programs like a deep cut in the Golden Vehichle (the vehicle that is relied on getting our injured soldiers from the front line to medical help within the golden hr.)
7) Not being able to maintain our old fleet (B-52's over 50 years old, midair refueling tankers 50 years old, marine landing vehicles from WW2 era and were not good then and many of our long range bombers and helicopters 40 years old).
8)Not being able to be a flexible military and get our support where needed when needed.

These are just the tip of the iceberg of the consequences that it would have that have been stated by the Presidents own staff. Sequestration was never designed to be put in place. It was designed to be an inflexible and mindless policy so that it would never happen. The problem is that the president has all the military budget cuts and sequestration built into his economic plan for his next 4 years. As I stated earlier I am also not a fan of a major increase in this budget either.
 
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I agree we do not need a major increase defense spending but it would be much more catastrophic to go through with the huge cut Obama has proposed for it and sequestration. Do you realize what that will do to our defense? The last time anything like this was ever looked research the effects it had on our military and it was not even this big. In Leon Panettas own words these defense cuts would be disaster for our security if go through. Then you have the President speak in the debate saying that sequestration would not happen but right after the debate the whitehouse retracts that and in his economic plan he includes sequestration. This would create a"Hollow" military by most expert's opinions. Some of the consequences it will have:

1) Huge amount of job loss in your so called welfare industry in the low estimates we are talking about hundreds of thousand most likely. There are some estimates much higher and some much lower but I think it is somewhere in the middle (you should really look into things before you shoot your mouth off and what the defense industry actually does)
2) Would have devastaing effects on the intelligence community (pre 9/11 intel?)
3)Due to the looming defense cuts all military parts purchasing has already started to reverse auction the lowest bids on military parts which opens the door to many inferior products and chinese fakes
4)Not being able to properly maintain all our weapons and systems ( as stated by deputy defense sec. ashton carter)
5)delaying payment to the suppliers and services
6)Canceling or delaying key programs like a deep cut in the Golden Vehichle (the vehicle that is relied on getting our injured soldiers from the front line to medical help within the golden hr.)
7) Not being able to maintain our old fleet (B-52's over 50 years old, midair refueling tankers 50 years old, marine landing vehicles from WW2 era and were not good then and many of our long range bombers and helicopters 40 years old).
8)Not being able to be a flexible military and get our support where needed when needed.

These are just the tip of the iceberg of the consequences that it would have that have been stated by the Presidents own staff. Sequestration was never designed to be put in place. It was designed to be an inflexible and mindless policy so that it would never happen. The problem is that the president has all the military budget cuts and sequestration built into his economic plan for his next 4 years. As I stated earlier I am also not a fan of a major increase in this budget either.

I'm all for cutting the defense budget by 30%.

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I think we'll be okay. We don't need this massive conventional army. We are being lied to that we need this fighting force for "national defense." What a bunch of stuff.
 
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Immoral is letting four American's die in Libya and doing nothing about it and then with the help of the liberal media covering it up as if it never happened.

Immoral is having four American deaths overseas politicized 2 seconds after it happened.. Give me a break.
 
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These two examples aren't even in the same ballpark. Not even the same city, or even planet. Someone high up the chain of command screwed up BIG TIME. It's disgusting.

That may be the case (we don't really know that as fact). And if you think you do, you don't because you don't work for one of the intelligence agencies, the state department, or the administration (at least I don't think so). At this point it is all conjecture.

But what we do know is that one guy turned it into a talking point when he shouldn't have.
 

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This is an idiotic example. Obama never made declarative statements about gay marriage. He never said he was emphatically for it and he never said he was going to work to get rid of it. He was a centrist on the issue and said so repeatedly. It was far from politically expedient for him to come out in favor of gay marriage. African Americans were outraged that he did it. With the exception of a single state, every one that had gay marriage as a ballet initiative said NO. He didn't choose his position to flip votes, he did it despite the possibility that it would turn voters away. Romney, on the other hand, said he found it immoral to continue funding FEMA because it cost too much. He said it was not the federal government's role to deal with disasters -- that it was the states' responsibility. Now, he is saying the complete opposite -- as if he never made the first statement. This is the very definition of a flip flop. It is a well established pattern with Romney and gives any reasonable observer pause because they don't know where he stands on ANY issue. It is all about whatever he needs to say to get elected. He has no soul.

Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night. Oh, and I could ramble BS as well and hop around all Romeny's flip flops as well.


What about Obama's filp on Work for Welfare (which he, disgustingly gutted)? At one point he stated it would have "disasterous results"...but in 2008 it was the "center piece of any social policy".....Only to flip a third time and gut it.

Let's see that dance again....
 
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If you would have heard the Navy Seal's father interviewed on the local San Diego radio station like I did, maybe you would feel a little different. If Romney would not have brought it up, we may have not even known about the killings.

And Grandpa Joe's words of condolence to the father, "Did your son always have brass balls?".......what a joke and he is #2 in charge!!!

ARE YOU HIGH!??!?! It was all over the news before Romney said anything.
 

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These two examples aren't even in the same ballpark. Not even the same city, or even planet. Someone high up the chain of command screwed up BIG TIME. It's disgusting.

I haven't read everything on the matter, but right now I'm thinking Obama has a "let's see all the facts" mentality--which I can respect--but I also wonder if he was being a pussy and terrified of a high body count this close to an election. I can imagine a situation room in which Obama's team are holding back and hoping the situation resolves itself.

It wasn't sexy enough to the voters. He doesn't mind the body count when he went after OBL...but helping these guys? Ehh...who cares, not worth it if something goes wrong. There's nothing politically to be gained by helping a buncha nobody's.


It's disgusting.
 
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It wasn't sexy enough to the voters. He doesn't mind the body count when he went after OBL...but helping these guys? Ehh...who cares, not worth it if something goes wrong. There's nothing politically to be gained by helping a buncha nobody's.


It's disgusting.

Do you honestly believe that Obama himself got a letter saying "we need help!" and he threw it into the oval office fireplace and said, "to hell with you?"

Come on man.
 
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On the news....but not asking the questions.


Keep in mind that this same "news" was blaming it on some hacks basement video.

Put down the kool-aid

OP just said that we wouldn't have known about the deaths if it weren't for Romney.....
 

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Liberals are the most tolerant people in the world, until you disagree with them.

The people at that embassy begged for help and were denied. The president owes the American people an explanation and a news conference.

Exactly.

What went wrong.

Maybe he'll tell us all AFTER the election?
 
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I could ask the same of those that actually believe that Bush knew 9/11 was coming.

No, I don't. But his admin failed on so many levels in this cluster that it's ridiculous. And guess where the buck stops???

So if you want to apply that logic to Obama why wouldn't you apply it to Bush?

The FBI got warnings that there would be a terrorist attack on the world trade center.

The Bush White House Was Deaf to 9/11 Warnings - NYTimes.com

At least be fair.
 
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I think he was referencing the "real" story about the deaths.

We all knew what happened, when it happened...I agree with you there.


But the true story was hidded by the media and the admin. That is what fires up people, especially when lives are lost.

Take the Trayvon deal. It wasn't remotely close to how the initial reports portrayed it.

No he wasn't go reread. Why do you think my response was so excited?
 

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It is funny we already have photos of the Situation Room during Hurricane Sandy just as we did during the killing of OBL, but we can't seem to find any during the attack in Libya.
 
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I think he was referencing the "real" story about the deaths.

We all knew what happened, when it happened...I agree with you there.


But the true story was hidded by the media and the admin. That is what fires up people, especially when lives are lost.

Take the Trayvon deal. It wasn't remotely close to how the initial reports portrayed it.

So if we don't know the real story how can you possibly claim that Obama's inaction was inappropriate. I swear people who dislike the administration must be dialed in to some of the best intelligence agencies in the world to make the kind of assertions they make. You don't know what happened. You don't know the intel that the White House had. You don't know anything. Until you do, don't act like you do. You're as bad as the news outlets in the Trayvon case if you do. Spreading filth.
 
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Report: Documents Disclose 9/11 Warnings - Yahoo! News

There are a million articles about it. Just google 9/11 warnings. Pick your source.

I don't hate on Bush for this. Just like you shouldn't hate on Obama for Libya. Being the POUS is probably the most difficult job in the world. What happened in Libya is a tragedy just like what happened on 9/11. Rather than finger pointing, like Romney did, we should beef up security procedures, protocols, and make sure it doesn't happen again. That's basically the point I'm trying to make. Well that and you don't know anything about it, yet you claim that it's all Obama's fault which is asinine.
 
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