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[TorontoGold]

This is so on the nose I presumed it was fake. Until I didn't see TG get apoplectic over boomer rube falling for MAGABARBIE1104558 AI slop within three seconds of your post.

….it is fake. I figured Irish#1 was just posting it to troll because it’s so stupid only the dumbest would believe it. So naturally the fake doctor believed it to be true.

 

[drayer54]

Please make this douchebag the nominee. I just found out about the wife. What a gift.

 

[drayer54]

We need full transparency on the Fang Fang Files. This douche needs to be exposed.





Hypocrites gonna hypoctorite-

 

[ozzman]

 

[Irish#1]

We might be shocked if we ever got a look behind the doors of every Rep, Senator, Cabinet Member, Agency Head, POTUS, Justice, etc.

 

[ulukinatme]

He's not pointed the right way there!

I'm guessing Noem always wore the pants in the family. I feel desensitized after the previous administration. At least he wasn't stealing women's clothing in airports or filming a sex tape in a Senate room!

 

[ulukinatme]

Only posting for the lulz. There are a lot of ignorant (left and right) people out there.



The education bit

 

[drayer54]

Deflect, deflect, deflect, you still haven't proven they trying to keep the public in darkness and hide the project delays.

I'll take them at their face value and it will go through the CA law makers (the sponsor said she's going to further streamline and clarify the language.

You're just spouting out your propagandized opinion from a 9-word headline and didn't bother to watch the story.

This is the sort of thing they want to bury. Interesting that the oppo on him is trickling.
They want to cover up their failure. They know they can't execute. They can cover up though. Hopefully you've learned enough to comprehend this by now on those AI channels.

 

[TorontoGold]

If they had anything on Swalwell it would have released years ago therefore it’s totally fine. You guys ok with that? Or is that answer really bad?

 

[drayer54]

If they had anything on Swalwell it would have released years ago therefore it’s totally fine. You guys ok with that? Or is that answer really bad?

Joe Biden would have? Garland? Absolutely not. Under the rug it went. Swalwell clearly doesn't want this released. Wonder why? We already know he got conned into a relationship with Fang Fang. Must be worse.

 

[Irish#1]

Joe Biden would have? Garland? Absolutely not. Under the rug it went. Swalwell clearly doesn't want this released. Wonder why? We already know he got conned into a relationship with Fang Fang. Must be worse.

Why would he fight the inquiry if he had nothing to hide?

 

[drayer54]

Why would he fight the inquiry if he had nothing to hide?

Rumors are that he tipped off his Chinese spy lover so she could evade. A true modern love story with loyalty to China and prob prevented her from being interrogated to find out how many national security tidbits he fed her. Allegedly.

 

[Irish#1]

Rumors are that he tipped off his Chinese spy lover so she could evade. A true modern love story with loyalty to China and prob prevented her from being interrogated to find out how many national security tidbits he fed her. Allegedly.

We need a rhetorical font.

 

[drayer54]

We need a rhetorical font.

I said allegedly. You can wait for the movie.

 

[TracyGraham]

Joe Biden would have? Garland? Absolutely not. Under the rug it went. Swalwell clearly doesn't want this released. Wonder why? We already know he got conned into a relationship with Fang Fang. Must be worse.

Assuming he is being sarcastic because this is the same lame excuse Trump and MAGA uses for not releasing the Epstein files. How about this, can we release both?
But to be fair, I'd rather Trump be suspected of having an affair with a foreign spy than having an affair with underage girls. Further, I dont think anyone suspects Swalwell is being blackmailed into fighting a war that benefits another country while simultaneously destroying the world economy....

 

[drayer54]

Assuming he is being sarcastic because this is the same lame excuse Trump and MAGA uses for not releasing the Epstein files. How about this, can we release both?
But to be fair, I'd rather Trump be suspected of having an affair with a foreign spy than having an affair with underage girls. Further, I dont think anyone suspects Swalwell is being blackmailed into fighting a war that benefits another country while simultaneously destroying the world economy....

How about this? Show me evidence Trump did any of that? I mean, we know what Swalwell did and apparently, there is more. We have seen nothing unfavorable to Trump. We've only seen unfounded left-wing conspiracy theories. I'm fine with everything being released, I just think your Mueller, Steele, Russiagate hoax bullshit is exhausted.

 

[TracyGraham]

How about this? Show me evidence Trump did any of that? I mean, we know what Swalwell did and apparently, there is more. We have seen nothing unfavorable to Trump. We've only seen unfounded left-wing conspiracy theories. I'm fine with everything being released, I just think your Mueller, Steele, Russiagate hoax bullshit is exhausted.

Ton of circumstantial evidence that for some reason you seem to chose to bury your head in the sand for. If there was anyone else that was "best friends" with Epstein and accused by a 13 year old girl of raping her and refused to release all the Epstein files and then immediately started a war that solely helps a country that just so happens to be deeply associated with.....Epstein....you and anyone else would take out the pitchforks. Instead people try to say, this war is freaking awesome as the economy crumbles around us....
Everyone in the whole world with an inkling of common sense can connect the dots but for some reason, MAGA refuses to see what is going on. There sure are a whole ton of uncanny coincidences.

 

[TorontoGold]

Assuming he is being sarcastic because this is the same lame excuse Trump and MAGA uses for not releasing the Epstein files. How about this, can we release both?
But to be fair, I'd rather Trump be suspected of having an affair with a foreign spy than having an affair with underage girls. Further, I dont think anyone suspects Swalwell is being blackmailed into fighting a war that benefits another country while simultaneously destroying the world economy....

I’m glad someone had a few wrinkles on their brain to decipher my point.

I don’t think anyone here is upset if Swalwell is proven to have carried out some nefarious affair. YOLO charge him with treason, hang him if a jury decides.

I am hoping they release all the dirt on him. Personally I think he’s smarmy and just another empty headed Gen X dem.

 

[TracyGraham]

How about this? Show me evidence Trump did any of that? I mean, we know what Swalwell did and apparently, there is more. We have seen nothing unfavorable to Trump. We've only seen unfounded left-wing conspiracy theories. I'm fine with everything being released, I just think your Mueller, Steele, Russiagate hoax bullshit is exhausted.

Look, everyone including Trump supporters were sure Epstein was linked to Israel and was blackmailing high profile figures. Im sure you suspected Clinton was blackmailed. So right when info about the files were leaking out, Trump goes out and does one of the most questionable moves by starting a war with Iran, and you dont stop to question if he just might be victim the the blackmail???!!
It would be questionable if he wasnt bestest of chums with Epstein. It would be strange even if the war didnt benefit Israel only. It would be strange if Jizzlane's daddy wasnt a suspected mossad agent. It would be odd if Trump didnt specifically campaign on not pursuing these type of wars. But.....dumdumdumdum, those things actually happen to be the case. But nothing to see here. What Epstein files? You still talking about the Epstein files?

 

[drayer54]

Ton of circumstantial evidence that for some reason you seem to chose to bury your head in the sand for. If there was anyone else that was "best friends" with Epstein and accused by a 13 year old girl of raping her and refused to release all the Epstein files and then immediately started a war that solely helps a country that just so happens to be deeply associated with.....Epstein....you and anyone else would take out the pitchforks. Instead people try to say, this war is freaking awesome as the economy crumbles around us....
Everyone in the whole world with an inkling of common sense can connect the dots but for some reason, MAGA refuses to see what is going on. There sure are a whole ton of uncanny coincidences.

Best friends? You lost me there. You don't work with Dems to bury your best friend. I think your blinders are contributing to your frustration. We've seen it in the files that he didn't do the stupid massages and he did point out (his best friend lol) was doing creepy shit on the island. We've hashed this out on the board. The walls aren't closing in. He didn't pee on the hookers, he didn't Russia Russia Russia, you and Schiff are full of shit and that's prob why you are frustrated. Swalwell totally banged the spy though. Get me that level of evidence and I'll hop on your outrage party.

 

[Fbolt]

Dang, I'm all for connecting dots.

Look, everyone including Trump supporters were sure Epstein was linked to Israel and was blackmailing high profile figures. Im sure you suspected Clinton was blackmailed. So right when info about the files were leaking out, Trump goes out and does one of the most questionable moves by starting a war with Iran, and you dont stop to question if he just might be victim the the blackmail???!!
It would be questionable if he wasnt bestest of chums with Epstein. It would be strange even if the war didnt benefit Israel only. It would be strange if Jizzlane's daddy wasnt a suspected mossad agent. It would beodd if Trump didnt specifically campaign on not pursuing these type of wars. But.....dumdumdumdum, those things actually happen to be the case. But nothing to see hear. What Epstein files? You still talking about the Epstein files?

But this is a stretch.

 

[TracyGraham]

Best friends? You lost me there. You don't work with Dems to bury your best friend. I think your blinders are contributing to your frustration. We've seen it in the files that he didn't do the stupid massages and he did point out (his best friend lol) was doing creepy shit on the island. We've hashed this out on the board. The walls aren't closing in. He didn't pee on the hookers, he didn't Russia Russia Russia, you and Schiff are full of shit and that's prob why you are frustrated. Swalwell totally banged the spy though. Get me that level of evidence and I'll hop on your outrage party.

Who hashed it out and ended the Epstein debate? The people that dont want to believe it is true? I def didnt. I will never forget this shit coupled with Iran.

âHeâs a lot of fun to be withâ: Trump and Epstein were close friends for 15 years

As Trump tries to claim he was ‘not a fan’ of Epstein, photos, videos and anecdotes paint a picture of their relationship

www.theguardian.com

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/18/us/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump.html

Beginning in the late 1980s, the two men forged a bond intense enough to leave others who knew them with the impression that they were each other’s closest friend, The Times found. Mr. Epstein was then a little-known financier who cultivated mystery around the scope and source of his self-made wealth. Mr. Trump, six years older, was a real estate scion who relished publicity and exaggerated his successes. Neither man drank or did drugs. They pursued women in a game of ego and dominance. Female bodies were currency.
This is just from a 1 second google search

Im sure you can find 100s of articles. I guess it's all just left wing propaganda. But if there was an article about Clinton like this, you would believe it, right?I doubt there will ever be the kind of evidence you seem to demand, but I think you would accept less on the figures you dislike. Plus,maybe Israel will let Trump off the hook after the Iran debacle.

 

[TorontoGold]

 

[Irish#1]

Ton of circumstantial evidence that for some reason you seem to chose to bury your head in the sand for. If there was anyone else that was "best friends" with Epstein and accused by a 13 year old girl of raping her and refused to release all the Epstein files and then immediately started a war that solely helps a country that just so happens to be deeply associated with.....Epstein....you and anyone else would take out the pitchforks. Instead people try to say, this war is freaking awesome as the economy crumbles around us....
Everyone in the whole world with an inkling of common sense can connect the dots but for some reason, MAGA refuses to see what is going on. There sure are a whole ton of uncanny coincidences.

I've said it before, release everything unredacted. The bolded? Quite the stretch.

 

[TracyGraham]

I've said it before, release everything unredacted. The bolded? Quite the stretch.

Well, definitely respect your opinion, but why would anyone not conclude Epstein was deeply linked to Israel? Bc Bibi says so? There is never going to be definitive proof, bc it would be detrimental for Israel to claim him for obvious reasons, but when Ehud Barak and Yoni Koren are having sleepovers at his house, it is hard to look the other way. He paid for Koren's cancer treatment and donated to various Israeli causes.
It would almost be naive to imagine someone with his connections wasnt at least approached by mossad or other intelligence sectors, wouldn't it be? He rose out of nowhere from a high school math teacher to a high profile investment banker at Bear Sterns after being hired by Alan "Ace" Greenberg, a prominent Israeli philanthropist and champion of Zionist causes. Greenberg built/heavily donated to schools and hospitals in Israel.
And let's not forget about Jizzlane, his girlfriend or whatever she was.... Her dad was Robert Maxwell, assumed to be one of the greatest Mossad spies of all time. Of course, no one list "mossad undercover spy" on their linkedin page, but all of these things are common knowledge. This is a lot more circumstantial evidence, but it seems like Im prob wasting my time typing what I've already typed. I assumed everyone already knows all of this stuff. We must frequest completely different forms of news reporting.

BTW, it's not like I'm privy to some special super secret info. Everything is just a simple google search away....
Also, the files will Never be released

 

[drayer54]

Well, definitely respect your opinion, but why would anyone not conclude Epstein was deeply linked to Israel? Bc Bibi says so? There is never going to be definitive proof, bc it would be detrimental for Israel to claim him for obvious reasons, but when Ehud Barak and Yoni Koren are having sleepovers at his house, it is hard to look the other way. He paid for Koren's cancer treatment and donated to various Israeli causes.
It would almost be naive to imagine someone with his connections wasnt at least approached by mossad or other intelligence sectors, wouldn't it be? He rose out of nowhere from a high school math teacher to a high profile investment banker at Bear Sterns after being hired by Alan "Ace" Greenberg, a prominent Israeli philanthropist and champion of Zionist causes. Greenberg built/heavily donated to schools and hospitals in Israel.
And let's not forget about Jizzlane, his girlfriend or whatever she was.... Her dad was Robert Maxwell, assumed to be one of the greatest Mossad spies of all time. Of course, no one list "mossad undercover spy" on their linkedin page, but all of these things are common knowledge. This is a lot more circumstantial evidence, but it seems like Im prob wasting my time typing what I've already typed. I assumed everyone already knows all of this stuff. We must frequest completely different forms of news reporting.

BTW, it's not like I'm privy to some special super secret info. Everything is just a simple google search away....
Also, the files will Never be released

Keith Olbermann never looked so moderate. This is basically just connecting a bunch of dots and deciding it has to mean something bigger. Epstein was around powerful people everywhere, politicians, billionaires, academics, foreign leaders. That’s the one thing everyone agrees on. But “he knew these people” doesn’t automatically turn into “he was running intel for a specific country.”
Barak, Maxwell, donations, career path—> those are all pieces, but none of them actually prove anything close to that conclusion. The whole argument leans on “it would be naive not to assume,” which is really just filling in gaps with speculation and guessing and being stunned MAGA doesn't share your tin foil theories. And then jumping from that to explaining Trump/Iran policy is another massive wild insane leap on top of it.
At some point it’s not connecting dots, it’s just drawing lines between things that aren’t actually proven to be connected.

 

[TracyGraham]

Keith Olbermann never looked so moderate. This is basically just connecting a bunch of dots and deciding it has to mean something bigger. Epstein was around powerful people everywhere, politicians, billionaires, academics, foreign leaders. That’s the one thing everyone agrees on. But “he knew these people” doesn’t automatically turn into “he was running intel for a specific country.”
Barak, Maxwell, donations, career path—> those are all pieces, but none of them actually prove anything close to that conclusion. The whole argument leans on “it would be naive not to assume,” which is really just filling in gaps with speculation and guessing and being stunned MAGA doesn't share your tin foil theories. And then jumping from that to explaining Trump/Iran policy is another massive wild insane leap on top of it.
At some point it’s not connecting dots, it’s just drawing lines between things that aren’t actually proven to be connected.

Dude, what are you even doing? I was hoping to be able to lat\y out opinions in good faith. Irish#1 said it was a stretch to claim Epstein, had deep ties to Israel. If having a former prime minister, and a former israeli spy stay at your house every time they came to NYC, while donating to various Israeli foundation(amongst all the other circumstantial ties to prominent Israeli figures that I listed and didnt list(Les Wexner, cough) doesnt show a connection what does?
Let's play a game.
If my family is Swedish and the the Swedish pm has multiple pajama parties at my house along with a former top swedish spy while I pay for the swedish spy's cancer treatments and donate to various swedish independence and defense foundations and get my first job on wall street from a prominent swedish figure(even though I have zero investment banking experience) and my girlfriend's dad was supposedly one of the greatest swedish spies of alltime. (Yeah, he stole nuclear secrets from us and had a high profile state funeral...)
And then you say, gee whiz, I think this guy might have deep ties to Sweden.How can you say that is Keith Olberman level? What are you trying to do?
Im guessing you need a picture of Epstein holding a confession to being tied to Israel. Even then, Im guessing you will claim it is doctored.

 

[drayer54]

Dude, what are you even doing? I was hoping to be able to lat\y out opinions in good faith. Irish#1 said it was a stretch to claim Epstein, had deep ties to Israel. If having a former prime minister, and a former israeli spy stay at your house every time they came to NYC, while donating to various Israeli foundation(amongst all the other circumstantial ties to prominent Israeli figures that I listed and didnt list(Les Wexner, cough) doesnt show a connection what does?
Let's play a game.
If my family is Swedish and the the Swedish pm has multiple pajama parties at my house along with a former top swedish spy while I pay for the swedish spy's cancer treatments and donate to various swedish independence and defense foundations and get my first job on wall street from a prominent swedish figure(even though I have zero investment banking experience) and my girlfriend's dad was supposedly one of the greatest swedish spies of alltime. (Yeah, he stole nuclear secrets from us and had a high profile state funeral...)
And then you say, gee whiz, I think this guy might have deep ties to Sweden.How can you say that is Keith Olberman level? What are you trying to do?
Im guessing you need a picture of Epstein holding a confession to being tied to Israel. Even then, Im guessing you will claim it is doctored.

You're arguing that the guy knew rich people and was connected, which everyone knew and that somehow justifies any and all hypothetical connections thereafter. This is a wild leap upon leap.

 

[TracyGraham]

You're arguing that the guy knew rich people and was connected, which everyone knew and that somehow justifies any and all hypothetical connections thereafter. This is a wild leap upon leap.

My point is that even with a wealth of evidence that he is tied deeply to israel, you are unwilling to even acknowledge, but instead say it is olbermanesque, tells me i might as well debate my microwave.
How does that further your cause? Why bother even engaging? I dont get it.
If you arent even willing to admit water is wet, how can we move on the next set of questions?
When did it become a virtue to just stonewall? You dont have to agree with everything your side does for the rest of your life, it's ok.

 

[Fbolt]

If you knew what you're talking about, I'd take what you say with a laugh, yet possibly with a grain of salt. Having a few episodes of Jack Ryan doesn't make one savvy when it comes to FIS.