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since most will say "I'm only concerned with georgia tech right now"
then, AFTER notre dame beats georgia tech everyone knows we have to play penn state.

I can't believe the rankings they recieved,not what i feel they deserved,but rather recieved.
I mean this team lost a lot of good players last year,but still was only one play away from getting a chance to play in the rose bowl.
No respect for this college at all.
florida state at 10,miami at 11,tennessee breaks the top 25 (which they probably deserve)
Sometimes pre-season rankings are good,then other times they are complete bull crap.
A lot of politics involved in there too.

speaking of respect...this team will have something to prove when they play notre dame.I don't think I'd be thinking of michigan just yet...
 
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Rattling Morelli will be the key.

Their secondary will be an area to exploit. Their linebackers are quite good.

This will be a difficult game any way you look at it. It will take a full 60 minutes to win.
 
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Penn State often plays to the level of their competition, so I expect a tough game. But I believe Charlie will out coach Joepa and in the end: ND 37, PSU 17.
 

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jiggafini19 said:
Rattling Morelli will be the key.

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No doubt, watched him play in high school several times... canon for an arm but dumber than a box of rocks. If we let his 90 IQ, sit back there and process things, they have the athletes at WR to hurt us. But if we could pressure him and make him think quickly, game, set, match...
 
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Rattling Morelli will be the key.

Morelli will have only one start coming into this game and that will be the week earlier against Akron. I think with such limited playing time and coming into ND, his first start away from Happy Valley, will be an extreme test for him. Hopefully ND can pressure him and he will make some dumb throws, I'm thinking he will throw at least two ints in this game. Of course if you ask a PSU fan about Morelli they will tell you he will throw at least 5 td's against are poor, slow and pathetic defense. I can personally attest to the last because I'm surrounded by these fools in Pa.
 

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he will throw at least 5 td's against are (our) poor, slow and pathetic defense

All I have to go on is the performance in the Fiesta Bowl, so while I think this is highly unlikely it certainly isn't impossible.

The PSU receiving corps will provide a nice challenge to the ND secondary, but that's if Morelli can get the ball where he is supposed to.

Just about everyone ND plays in September will not have been tested by a decent opponent. By the time MSU and Purdue roll around, Notre Dame will have been seen three pretty good teams not from the MAC.
 

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I actually like the fact that ND opens with GT. Calvin Johnson will provide a good measuring mark for are secondery, although I don't know how good the rest of the receivers are. If ND can contain Johnson then hopefully they should be able to hold Williams from having a big day.
 

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Penn State still has Poslousky and will get to Quinn. The question is whether or not Quinn can throw under pressure. I am not convinced of that yet, and this game will be a perfect test case to see if he's corrected that problem. If he has, he is a legit Heisman candidate. If not, ND could very well lose this game, and perhaps 3-4 more afterwards. Your hopes will rest on Quinn's ability to throw under pressure. Whether or not you'll compete for a championship will rest on your defense, which in my opinion has a lot of question marks.
 

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Penn State still has Poslousky and will get to Quinn.

You mean Paul Posluszny, who blew his knee out in the Orange Bowl last year.

They're also missing Tamba Hali. PSU's D has as many questions as Notre Dame's.
 

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VictorsValiant said:
...The question is whether or not Quinn can throw under pressure. ... Your hopes will rest on Quinn's ability to throw under pressure.

Guess you missed his freshman year when he was knocked down a rag doll. He's been throwing under pressure since his first game.


Whether or not you'll compete for a championship will rest on your defense, which in my opinion has a lot of question marks.

Good grasp of the obvious.
 

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wow didnt any one see the way quinn stood in the pocket last year there where many times i thought he was going down but he didnt he shook tackels and delivered the ball i never say we are going to win any game but thats just a super stition i cant wait for the season
 
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Penn State still has Poslousky and will get to Quinn..

i don't see that happening...well...maybe once or twice and quinn is a big boy and can take whatever a defense has to offer.
besides,the pass rush isn't going to be as good as one might think because the line is very inexperienced.Any of the linebackers will be picked up quick because of that inexperience.
you would have been better off saying that morelli is going to be the next kerry collins with all the good recievers that state is going to have this year.I'm not too sure that he won't be either.
derrick williams and deon butler can catch all the passes they want this year...as long as it's after september9th.

I know alot of people don't like penn state and/or paterno,but i hope they only lose one game this year.Sorry victorsvaliant,that one loss isn't to michiagn either:mob:
 

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Penn State still has Poslousky and will get to Quinn. The question is whether or not Quinn can throw under pressure. I am not convinced of that yet, and this game will be a perfect test case to see if he's corrected that problem. If he has, he is a legit Heisman candidate. If not, ND could very well lose this game, and perhaps 3-4 more afterwards. Your hopes will rest on Quinn's ability to throw under pressure. Whether or not you'll compete for a championship will rest on your defense, which in my opinion has a lot of question marks.

I dont really see ND falling to 8-4 or 7-5 as you suggested might happen if they lose to Penn State. I dont know if you Michigan fans know this, but there is a big sign in the workout room at ND saying 9-3 isn't good enough. So i dont think that 7-5 or 8-4 is either. Also Quinn under pressure is probably what separates him from other quarterbacks. Don't know if you managed to catch the Fiesta Bowl last year, as you were probably watching highlights of the heartbreaking loss to Nebraska in the Alamo Bowl, but Quinn took a beating that day and still managed to complete over 60% of his passes and throw no interceptions. He corrected that problem last year, and youre right he was a Heisman contender last year, finishing 4th. And our defense has a lot of question marks? First time i've heard that one.
 
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While I agree with many of you on the fact that rattling Morelli is a big key to the Penn State game, I do not believe that it is the biggest. JoePa even said it himself that he is more worried about the inexperience and lack of depth at offensive line than Morelli. Rattling the new linemen will be the key and hopefully we can shut down the run/pressure Morelli all game.
 

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jiggafini19 said:
You mean Paul Posluszny, who blew his knee out in the Orange Bowl last year.

They're also missing Tamba Hali. PSU's D has as many questions as Notre Dame's.

Don't forget Zematis, Lowry and most of their Oline. Their whole offense last year was pretty much Robinson. It will only be Morelli's second game.
 

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Penn State (and Ohio State), never seem to have a bad defense. JoePa and Tressel know what they're doing on defense.

I'm just not sold on Quinn. He didn't seem to respond well to pressure in the OSU and Michigan games (he was the least incompetant QB in that affair). And it seems like he needs a lot of things to go right for him to succeed, unlike Troy Smith, who can do it all. Also, keep in mind that taking sacks is not necessarily a good thing. It could mean you weren't creative enough to find a third option reciever, or that you're slow. Quinn's rise is due in large part to Weis' offensive genius (that is, the play goes right for him most of the time).
 

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Penn State (and Ohio State), never seem to have a bad defense. JoePa and Tressel know what they're doing on defense.

I'm just not sold on Quinn. He didn't seem to respond well to pressure in the OSU and Michigan games (he was the least incompetant QB in that affair). And it seems like he needs a lot of things to go right for him to succeed, unlike Troy Smith, who can do it all. Also, keep in mind that taking sacks is not necessarily a good thing. It could mean you weren't creative enough to find a third option reciever, or that you're slow. Quinn's rise is due in large part to Weis' offensive genius (that is, the play goes right for him most of the time).

Make up your mind Victor. You praise OSU's defense but find Quinn questionable because he was "least incompetant (sic) in that affair". In this thread you praise OSU's defense while in another thread you chide ND's defense. For the record the NCAA ranked OSU's defense 4th in yards/game allowed and 7 in scoring allowed. ND was ranked 62 and 47th. ND was ranked 97th in pass defense. So in essence you're saying Smith is better because he got to play against the worst defense.

ND's defense was susceptible to the big play all season. OSU got about 45% of their Total Offense from 4 plays.

Common Victor provide some substance!


Also, keep in mind that taking sacks is not necessarily a good thing. It could mean you weren't creative enough to find a third option reciever, or that you're slow.

No sacks aren't a good thing. But when you don't have a backup QB coaches tend to instruct their QBs to take the sack rather than run whatever their 40 time.

Yes, it could mean the QB didn't find a third option receiver or it could mean somebody missed a block, couldn't it? Or it could mean that the All-American LB and vaunted OSU defense did their jobs the way they were supposed to on a couple of plays. Quinn still completed 65% of his passes when the whole country knew he was going to pass. And that was despite the long balls Samardzija didn't hold onto to.

... Quinn's rise is due in large part to Weis' offensive genius (that is, the play goes right for him most of the time)

Quinn was a pretty fair QB in Willingham's inept offense. Quinn does have two consecutive wins over Big Blue, Victor. Is there a Michigan QB alive with wins two years in a row over the Irish, Victor?

No doubt Quinn has prospered under Weis. No doubt Henne would prosper under Weis as well. In fact, if we had swapped coaches last year you would have won 10 or 11 games including the ND game.

Common Victor, you're arguments are as vapid as a Carr game plan.
 

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You misinterpreted my comments.

Chad Henne was the most incomptant in last year's game with ND. Quinn was pretty bad too, but his team won because Henne single-handedly blew the game. That comment had nothing to do with OSU.

You're right. I do think OSU had a fantastic defense last year, and yes, I do think ND had a questionable defense last year (they game up a lot of yards and points).

I will rely on history and Tressel's track record and assume this year's defense will be good in spite of the losses.

I am not sold on ND's defense for this year either. They did not land any big recruits that are ready to play now, and there are a lot of holes.

I do not buy this "take a sack to prevent an injury" rationale. A QB needs to be creative and use his speed to evade slower defenders. That doesn't mean they should run around like Drew Stanton, but it does mean they should try to buy time if the line breaks down. No matter how much of a genis your OC is, there will always be plays that break down, and a QB can't just sit there like a sitting duck.

I think the best way to describe Quinn is that he's robotic. There isn't a lot of creativity from him. This may or may not be intentional.
 
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You misinterpreted my comments.

Chad Henne was the most incomptant in last year's game with ND. Quinn was pretty bad too, but his team won because Henne single-handedly blew the game. That comment had nothing to do with OSU.

You're right. I do think OSU had a fantastic defense last year, and yes, I do think ND had a questionable defense last year (they game up a lot of yards and points).

I will rely on history and Tressel's track record and assume this year's defense will be good in spite of the losses.

I am not sold on ND's defense for this year either. They did not land any big recruits that are ready to play now, and there are a lot of holes.

I do not buy this "take a sack to prevent an injury" rationale. A QB needs to be creative and use his speed to evade slower defenders. That doesn't mean they should run around like Drew Stanton, but it does mean they should try to buy time if the line breaks down. No matter how much of a genis your OC is, there will always be plays that break down, and a QB can't just sit there like a sitting duck.

I think the best way to describe Quinn is that he's robotic. There isn't a lot of creativity from him. This may or may not be intentional.

you spent too much time watching michigan the same time notre dame was on.That's not right,you can think that,but that's not true.
you just don't like quinn,weis,or notre dame to make a comment like that or haven't really paid attention...maybe just watched a few minutes of highlights on sportscenter

heck,the only game i watched michigan in was notre dame.the only game i watched ohio state in was penn state.the only game i watched usc in was oregon and notre dame.
i could make any assumptions about their quarterbacks too by watching highlights
 

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I think the best way to describe Quinn is that he's robotic. There isn't a lot of creativity from him. This may or may not be intentional.

Not a lot of creativity? He was described in a game as "dodging sacks like a matador"
If you take away his sacks, he rushed the ball 59 times for 245 yards, averaging 4.1 yards a carry. Going into the Ohio State game, he averaged being sacked 1.4 times per game, a majority of those sacks coming against Michigan and Michigan State. Against BYU's aggressive 3-3-5 stack defense, he was only sacked once, and went 32-41 with 467 yards and 6 touchdowns. Chad Henne is probably one of the most uncreative quarterbacks. Kinda like a deer in headlights
 
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V V if you are going to come on this site, be aware that there are some very knowledgable people on here so you really need to know what you are talking about. You do not, I have not approved of anything you have posted...but we are all allowed to have our opinions now aren't we.

The comments you have made are the very reason I can't stand the skunk bears or their fans...you simply don't have any clue.........

watch us before you comment on us...stop spewing please.....


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...Chad Henne was the most incomptant in last year's game with ND. Quinn was pretty bad too, but his team won because Henne single-handedly blew the game. ...

I understood your statement although neither Henne nor Quinn were incompetent in that game. You didn't watch the game did you? Quinn hit 63% of his passes on the road in the big house. A non-conference team hadn't won there in what 7 years? Snapped a 16 game winning streak didn't it?

Quinn threw two first half TDs in what turned out to be a fierce, head hunting ballgame. Bodies were flying and people being separated from the ball. As I recall Michael Hart went down from a hard hit from Corey Mayes and then ND lost their top WR Rhema McKnight for the season with a knee injury. A bunch of other people on both sides got banged up.

It was a hard fought game. An old fashion defensive struggle. ND only held one other team to 10 points and nobody else held ND below 34 points.

You have a strange threshold for incompetence.
 

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I honestly don't think Quinn had a great game against Michigan. During the middle of the game, when the offense was stalled, Quinn missed a number of open receivers across the middle. He overthrew them or threw wide, and those misses stalled drives. Had those passes been on target, I believe the Irish would have pulled away.

Quinn was pretty bad too, but his team won because Henne single-handedly blew the game.
This type of comment is my biggest problem with Michigan fans. I have no problem with blind loyalty to your team. But Michigan fans year after year offer excuse after excuse over why they lose games. By listening to them, you'd swear that the skunkbears have never actually been beaten on the field. And the fans almost seem to count those losses as wins because one player or another should have/would have. Or a ref did this or that.

Maybe Henne did make some mistakes. Well, so did Quinn, as I mentioned aboved. There were other mistakes. Our defensive backs were caught out of position on a few occassions. This is just as big of a mistake as a bad throw. There were also issues with blocking assignments that led to Quinn being rushed a bit too much from time to time. Do our mistakes not count toward the final score? Of course they do.

Michigan fans seem to think football is played in a vacuum and you add up the sum of the parts and there is your winner. Well, that's not the way it works. The entire team counts toward the game. Every play counts toward the game. Mistakes are part of the game. It's quite often that the team with less big mistakes win. If that weren't the case, then we would have coaches or practices. The players would just line up on Satudays and race to the endzone.

You take your excuses and keep them if they make you feel better. We'll take three out of the last four wins. We'll even let you keep that head start you got in the 1800's. We'll be happy to take 2006 in a few weeks.

I am not sold on ND's defense for this year either. They did not land any big recruits that are ready to play now, and there are a lot of holes.
Thankfully, you have nothing to do with it. Thanks for your input. We don't honestly expect a great defense either, but we expect improvement. A middle of the pack defense with our offense could go a long way. Cliche's be damned.

I think the best way to describe Quinn is that he's robotic. There isn't a lot of creativity from him.
Wow. Did you watch much Brady Quinn last year? He had so many little side steps to avoid sacks I thought he was turning into a dancer. The difference is, he doesn't waste movement. He takes the step or two needed while still finding the receiver and getting ready to make the throw. We shouldn't even have to mention the times he physically shook off would be tacklers.

And the guy can run. I'd suggest the Pitt or USC games as evidence. But you're right. He doesn't run as much as Stanton or Troy Smith. He doesn't need to. You're going to dock a guy who doesn't need to run?

You want creativity? Look at the receiving numbers of secondary receivers such as rb's and te's. Rather than run when the primary routes break down, he finds the open guys and lets them make plays. That is just as creative and effective as a guy who likes to (or HAS to) run figure eights in the backfield.

Fine. You're a Michigan fan who isn't sold on Notre Dame. That's OK. We get it and we don't care. But don't expect to come to a Notre Dame board and have us take too kindly to your feeling so. Just like we won't take too kindly to LLLLLoyd's refusal to shake hands after losing his third straight to the Irish next month.

It won't be long after that that the usual "drop Notre Dame, we don't need them" chants will start eminating from Ann Arbor.
 

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And how in the hell did this thread become about Michigan?


Back to Penn St.
 

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It won't be long after that that the usual "drop Notre Dame, we don't need them" chants will start eminating from Ann Arbor.

Well, that didn't take long. From an article this morning in the Detroit Free Press.

Asked whether Michigan should continue its series with Notre Dame, Schembechler said: "We don't need Notre Dame. They need us more than we need them.

"Hell, we're playing all these Big Ten teams. When Penn State came into the league, then we should do everything we can to get this Notre Dame series over with. Now that's the way I feel."

Schembechler, who compiled a 194-48-5 record in 21 seasons at Michigan, ending in 1989, added, "I would rather have an intersectional game than a midwest game. Play Southern Cal. I don't care. Play Texas... somebody like that. But not Notre Dame."

Gee, I wonder why he feels that way:

Schembechler-coached Michigan teams were 4-6 against Notre Dame in 10 games spanning 1978-89.
And let me remind you, he won his first against Lou, then lost the last three. And you wonder why he has a bad taste in his mouth for the Irish.

I'll never understand the deification of a coach who in 21 years never won a national title.

And before you skunkbears start crying about the hype that Charlie gets-yes, we like him. We are excited about what we've seen and what we think will happen under him. But if he coaches 21 year without a title, he won't be the god head that Bo "kick to the Rocket again" Schembechler is in Michigan. Charlie himself said he should quit if he can't win a title.
 
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