Offical, McCoy Out. Kates in?

[irish4life99]

Saw this this at the South Bend Trib, thought I would share it. Looks like it's down to Kates and Young, and Mustain on the outside.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/app.../20060109/NDSports02/601090396/CAT=NDSports02

 

[jiggafini19]

Conflicting reports say that this was a tongue in cheek, deliberate joke by McCoy. He purposely left ND out.

Whatever the real story is, he has people talking.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Saw this this at the South Bend Trib, thought I would share it. Looks like it's down to Kates and Young, and Mustain on the outside.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/app.../20060109/NDSports02/601090396/CAT=NDSports02

You really ought to edit "official" out of the subject header....especially since it comes from an Ok paper.

 

[domerfor life]

You really ought to edit "official" out of the subject header....especially since it comes from an Ok paper.

Tom Lemming said he never mentioned Notre Dame and that he consistently mentioned three schools. Therefore, Lemming took it that he wasn't considering Notre Dame anymore. McCoy never said he wasn't considering Notre Dame. He never said that he eliminated Notre Dame.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Tom Lemming said he never mentioned Notre Dame and that he consistently mentioned three schools. Therefore, Lemming took it that he wasn't considering Notre Dame anymore. McCoy never said he wasn't considering Notre Dame. He never said that he eliminated Notre Dame.

I don't disagree....but when I saw the post that said "official", I took it to be a done deal as I think anyone would....until they read the linked article. Which is why I suggested that "official" be removed from the topic. There's nothing official about it.

No offense meant towards irish4life99, I just think it's a fair bit misleading.

 

[enotst4]

SBT can not even get the local weather right.
not so sure i would trust anything they say.

 

[BGIF]

That's no confirmation, it's a circular reference to the hometown story. Lemming is no confirmation either. Did he report McCoy dropping ND during his conversations with McCoy all week? Or is he now scrambling with a "Oh yeah I knew that all the time" cover his ass story.

The Kates reference isn't confirmation either as it's open ended.

Weachter said he was told by the Notre Dame staff that if another defensive tackle dropped Notre Dame, the school would pursue Kates.

When did ND tell him that last night, last week, two months ago. Weachter mentions a scenario but not the timeframe.

I've been skeptical of McCoy coming to ND all along but this article doesn't confirm McCoy's destination, Kates being actively pursued, nor even Wenger's status.

It's confirmed fluff.

 

[bigdon]

That's no confirmation, it's a circular reference to the hometown story. Lemming is no confirmation either. Did he report McCoy dropping ND during his conversations with McCoy all week? Or is he now scrambling with a "Oh yeah I knew that all the time" cover his ass story.

The Kates reference isn't confirmation either as it's open ended.



When did ND tell him that last night, last week, two months ago. Weachter mentions a scenario but not the timeframe.

I've been skeptical of McCoy coming to ND all along but this article doesn't confirm McCoy's destination, Kates being actively pursued, nor even Wenger's status.

It's confirmed fluff.

I read this article earlier in the day but it did not have any confirmation.

At this point I can't believe we haven't touched every possible senario as far as Mustain, Young or McCoy is concerned. Are they all coming? Maybe! Are none of them coming? Maybe!

The only thing that's clear to me is ND is NOT finished recruiting> Young is coming for an official on Jan 21 and if ND IS finished He has either committed or there will be no one there to greet him. That is nonsensical and Young has said he is undecided so I am sure Weis will be recruiting his heart out.

Like Yogi said--"it's not over til it's over".

 

[dbldomer]

My feeling is that if we were really out of it for McCoy it would be all over the front pages of BGI, scout, and rivals. Because it is not, either no one can confirm this or there is no validity to the report.

 

[Guest]

The guy who was interviewing him should've asked him why he wasn't listing ND anymore, bad journalism.

 

[Irishkid23]

McCoy

McCoy

I read this article earlier in the day but it did not have any confirmation.
At this point I can't believe we haven't touched every possible senario as far as Mustain, Young or McCoy is concerned. Are they all coming? Maybe! Are none of them coming? Maybe!
The only thing that's clear to me is ND is NOT finished recruiting> Young is coming for an official on Jan 21 and if ND IS finished He has either committed or there will be no one there to greet him. That is nonsensical and Young has said he is undecided so I am sure Weis will be recruiting his heart out.
Like Yogi said--"it's not over til it's over".

If McCoy hasn't mentioned ND, I think Lemming is right on target"he's gone." It's no secret that Lemming loves ND, and he was right there speaking to McCoy and he got the impression that ND was out. I wouldn't think a recruit would toy with a school that he might want to attend. Remember last year when Weis told that one WR to take a hike. I am certain McCoy realizes that Weis is all business and wants straight answers, not mind games.

If ND is not mentioned, then look elsewhere, ND doesn't need to beg for anyone. In the next few years, Weis will build the team and these kids will find out (a little late) that they made a big mistake.

I would assume that after ND's loss to OSU, other coaches are telling recruits that Weis isn't such a good coach after all. That Tressell, Carroll, Brown and others are better coaches. That the other good football schools will catch up to him and his offense and beat ND. That ND had an easy schedule, blah, blah, blah, blah, ad infinitum. ND will always be badmouthed by those jealous, sneaky, and untrustworthy coaches. ND just has to keep plugging along and beating the naysayers on the field. The smart kids will see through the BS. We don't accept the dumb ones anyway. You can't get all the best recruits all of the time, but ND will get most of them, especially in the near future.

I also assume Young is still in the open. Let's go and get him.

GO Irish!!!!!!

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

I don't think there any coaches out there trying to say that Weis' coaching credentials are over-hyped. For one reason only: that would only serve to bring up his coaching abilities... and you don't have to score a 5 on your ACT to know that Weis is one hell of a coach.

 

[Irishkid23]

I don't think there any coaches out there trying to say that Weis' coaching credentials are over-hyped. For one reason only: that would only serve to bring up his coaching abilities... and you don't have to score a 5 on your ACT to know that Weis is one hell of a coach.

Yes, I agree with you about the 5 on the ACT. But, I think some coaches try to tell the recruits that they are already catching up to Weis by using a game like OSU-ND as an example. One would think the more intelligent ones would figure this out, but a lot of these kids react on emotion when push comes to shove. And the shoving has already begun

 

[St.Kittsnd]

With all due respect Irishkid23, I don't think that Charlie gives a rats ass what any kid says to any reporter during any interview. The communication between Charlie and McCoy is the only interview we should be interested in. ND has the best package for McCoy and we will see that when he wears the ND cap on Feb 1.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

I find it sort of Ironic how we kind of dismissed Kates earlier this season but now face the somewhat harsh reality of really needing Kates as a DT recruit this class.

Also if the unfortunate situation arises where Young does not choose ND, do we take Mustain with that final scholarship spot?

 

[BGIF]

...It's no secret that Lemming loves ND ...

No, Lemming loves $$$$.

Being based in the Midwest, ND was a logical MARKET to target. Lemming tried to captilize on the nationwide ND fan base and target a truly nationwide market. He went from a Midwest/ND focus to a national focus with his ESPN connection. Lemming would shill ND, UM, OSU, FSU, USC or anywhere else if he sees a potential market benefit. And during the years that the ND head coach cuts him off like Davie did, he badmouths NDs program. Lemming made the original quote later attributed to Davie that "the cupboard was bare". Davie never said that phrase.

But regional fans tend to focus on gurus that cater to their market and Lemming was never able to supplant the regional guys like Burton, Newberg, and Wallace and one team sites like Irish Eyes. In trying to be all things to all people I suspect he lost base market share while being viewed as an ND homer although most ND fans hold him in contempt.

Lemming loves $$$$. Just call his 1-900 number with your credit card and he'll show you.

 

[BGIF]

I find it sort of Ironic how we kind of dismissed Kates earlier this season but now face the somewhat harsh reality of really needing Kates as a DT recruit this class.

Also if the unfortunate situation arises where Young does not choose ND, do we take Mustain with that final scholarship spot?

We fans did do that. If he came now would Kates be received as the cavalry riding over the hill or Plan B? He isn't McCoy and won't challenge for PT in the near term.

Throughout the Kates saga I've wondered about academics. He's listed with a 2.6 or 2.7 GPA but I've never seen a test score although he was supposed to have taken the test last May. He may be acceptable to ND Admissions but I've never read anything to indicate that.

His teammate the highly ranked RB, Lashon McCoy, was originally touted as a ND prospect until academics were mentioned. He also had a self reported 2.6 GPA and I've never seen a test score. I don't know if he's qualified for the NCAA Clearinghouse yet.

 

[jiggafini19]

At this point, I'd rather take Kates as opposed to a third Quarterback. The defensive line is the most pressing need on the roster right now. Even if they don't land Young, the O line is in good shape. They are also on the trail of some good juniors as well (Josh Oglesby and Miles Stroter).

We probably won't see Ryan and Wade until the next election. If they do want to shift Paddy Mullen over to DT, he's going to need at LEAST 20 lbs. added to his frame. This being said, Gerald McCoy should be target number one right now. If he is off the board, they'd better resume relations with Kates and get him locked up.

 

[Irishkid23]

With all due respect Irishkid23, I don't think that Charlie gives a rats ass what any kid says to any reporter during any interview. The communication between Charlie and McCoy is the only interview we should be interested in. ND has the best package for McCoy and we will see that when he wears the ND cap on Feb 1.

Basically, that's what I said about Charlie and his wanting straight answers.
But, I think Lemming can get some insight or feeling about a player.

I hope you are right about McCoy.

 

[Irishkid23]

No, Lemming loves $$$$.

Lemming loves $$$$. Just call his 1-900 number with your credit card and he'll show you.

BGIF, I agree with you 100%, Lemming loves money. But, I believe that it is logical to assume all the services love money and, as we all know, they sell their opinions for money. But, this doesn't mean Lemming didn't have some logically based opinion about McCoy dropping ND. Even the services have to tell the truth sometimes, or they wouldn't make any money at all. Obviously, the ESPN and CSTV stints have made him lots of money. And if he is just stirring up *&^%&* to sell his publications and telephone insider info; I look at it as "par for the course" with all of these recruiting gurus. Stir the pot, get more readers and telephone calls too 1-900, and make more money.
That's life.

So I will take his opinion for what it's worth, which may be ^(&*%#!!!

We'll know the truth on signing day, unless the players ND wants commit early, which they said they wouldn't do.

Go irish!!!!

 

[irish4life99]

You really ought to edit "official" out of the subject header....especially since it comes from an Ok paper.

It's not like I pulled it out of a hat. I posted the source, and if you want to follow up on it, it's in The Oklahoman also. I would hope that the sources in the Oklahoman that did the interview didn't just cook that column. Personally, I trust it.

 

[NDgettysburg]

It's not like I pulled it out of a hat. I posted the source, and if you want to follow up on it, it's in The Oklahoman also. I would hope that the sources in the Oklahoman that did the interview didn't just cook that column. Personally, I trust it.

you may trust it, but that doesn't make it official. the only thing official about it is that it comes from the Oklahoman. until it comes from McCoy's mouth, it's not official. your title is misleading, which is what I was trying to point out.