Notre Dame vs Oklahoma

Sea Turtle

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I watched Oklahoma getting clobbered last night only to pick itself off the mat and come storming back to make Alabama nervous.

Contrast that with watching Notre Dame just quit and give up.Make every mental mistake imaginable. Look so utterly unprepared.

There is something mentally wrong with this program. I don't know if it's Kelly, the University or what. But this program has absolutely no pride and has no problem being humiliated in big games.

I'm still, like the entire fanbase, am just speechless
 

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Kyler Murray is just so good. OUs strength is their Offense and skill positions. Our strength is our defense, which fell apart for a quarter with its best two or three players injured. Our offense simply wasn’t good enough to overcome that, Granted Clemson has an excellent defense.
 

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The difference is that Oklahoma is good enough to score on anyone because of Kyler Murray... and same applied to Baker Mayfield last year. When you have an elite offense, you can come back if the other team makes mistakes. Bama should've scored 70, but stopped playing clean after the 21-0 first quarter.

Notre Dame is the inverse of Oklahoma. They need to front run because of their defense, and did a good job of that most of the year. For 3 quarters they showed what they've been about, which is winning games with a top 5 defense. In the one quarter without Love, they got absolutely roasted. Notre Dame has no ability to come back from down 3 scores to the #1 defense in the country.

Julian Love was a consensus All-American for a reason. Both he and Pride are very hard to throw at. The "next man up" is not a Thorpe finalist, and is probably not even an NFL player at this point. Things got off the rails in really the last two minute span of the first half without Love when Clemson got uber aggressive and ND's players couldn't make the necessary plays.

I don't think it has anything to do with "fight" or "pride"... I think it has everything to do with the talent and scheme on offense. You give Notre Dame Lincoln Riley or Kliff Kingsbury instead of Chip Long and you give them Kyler Murray instead of Ian Book and I bet you things look very different.
 

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I eco exactly what the previous two posters stated. It’s a simple as Oklahoma has an elite QB. 3 out of the 4 playoff teams have an elite QB.

Jimmy Clausen May have underachieved in his career. But heck I would take a Jimmy Clausen in a heartbeat on this years Notre Dame team. Jimmy would have put up 14 points at least lol.


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Love going down was a killer. Vaugn got burned twice. Ony one of those I'd put on him though. The circus catch for the TD was defended about as well as you can hope for.

Overall our depth and a few key positions are just not at the level we need them to he to hope to compete at this highest level.

Hopefully PJ is the stud difference maker at QB we all hope he is, and we can continue to load up in the defensive backfield and at the skill positionms on O.
 

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Hopefully PJ is the stud difference maker at QB we all hope he is, and we can continue to load up in the defensive backfield and at the skill positionms on O.

My only concern with PJ is that Brian Kelly seems have a tough time developing QBs and it seems that our QBs seem to regress in their skill level. Seems to be a coaching staff issue.
 

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I guess I just don't see any reason why ND can't recruit 5 star QB's on a consistent basis. QB should be no problem at ND. Just like OL and TE.

I agree with those who say that Kelly has a problem developing QB's though.
 

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Love going down was a killer. Vaugn got burned twice. Ony one of those I'd put on him though. The circus catch for the TD was defended about as well as you can hope for.

Overall our depth and a few key positions are just not at the level we need them to he to hope to compete at this highest level.

Hopefully PJ is the stud difference maker at QB we all hope he is, and we can continue to load up in the defensive backfield and at the skill positionms on O.



I agree on Love, but they probably don’t even throw that circus pass at him. I believe Love being out just fundamentally changed the way the D attacked. Very little aggressive blitzing due to being afraid of leaving Vaughn on an island. No such fear with Love. Lawrence gets comfortable due to lack of blitz pressure and smoked the D. This game is close if not for Love being out and the questionable fumble overturn on KO. There is a talent gap, but their depth hurt us. They have more of it than us. I actually don’t think Vaughn was that bad. It’s just that they weren’t afraid of attacking him. My biggest issue and frustration is Book and the play calling. We were shook nearly the entire game. He looked lost and I’ve lost some confidence in Book’s ability to lead the offense against fast, aggressive teams.

This was a game that we needed to be sharp and have the luck go our way. It didn’t. They probably aren’t 27 points better than us most days, but unfortunately this wasn’t most days. Another embarrassment on a national stage. The ESPN dismissive hate (sorry, but it’s true) will not look below the surface and give ND any credit for a great season. They’ll boil it down to having slow, bad players and being overrated. ND deserved this shot and had a bad day. It happens, but it doesn’t erase that things are headed the right way. Continue to recruit from the pool of kids that can actually qualify and build depth as much as possible. There’s reason to believe that we can consistently win 10+ games with this staff and roster. I much prefer this over TW, CW, Davie and those years. Things aren’t as bad as some make it out to be.

A lot of people are saying we’ll never get in again because of this performance. That’s not true. How does OSU, Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia, LSU, etc ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt even when they lose (worse than we did btw). It’s because they never go 4-8. They lose maybe 2-3 times a year and we are headed that way. They have earned the right to be overrated and we have not (yet). Just keep at it and we will break through. It’s very easy to just throw your hands up and say “ Fire Kelly”. That’s not happening, nor should it. We went 12-1. Who the heck isn’t happy with that? One bad quarter (with unfortunate injuries) shouldn’t erase all this team accomplished. That also doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look long and hard at why it went so badly, but a wholesale turnover would be wrong.

I know many here disagree with my thoughts, but I think things aren’t bad. We picked a bad day to have a bad day. Regroup, learn, improve and get back here again.

I have to ask..... Would you rather be Michigan right now? They were smashed twice this year and they were supposed to be great. We were thought to be an 8-9 win team by most and won 12 GAMES! Enjoy a season that almost every other team would’ve killed to have enjoyed.
 
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