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So after reading through most of the comments made after signing day (good and bad), I got to thinking "What were the top prospects star ratings coming into college?" (My data comes from CBS Sports and Rivals)
A vast majority of the people on this board feel that a recruiting class is a success or failure based on how many 5 star and 4 star athletes you get. I saw plenty of comments saying this class was a failure because we failed to land Darby, Decker, Tee's Cousin, Marshall and countless other high rated athletes. The question is; If you are one of the people that put their stock in star ratings, do you believe in the coaching staff we have in place at Notre Dame? If you don't have faith BK and company can get the very best out of these players they recruit, then maybe the below stats will make you feel at ease with the players we just recruited.
In 2008 there were thirty 5
athletes listed.
In 2009 there were thirty three 5 athletes listed.
In the top 50 NFL prospects listed below there are:
Five - 5 athletes
Twenty four - 4 athletes
Sixteen - 3 athletes
Five - 2 athletes
Yeah thats right, there are the same number of two star athletes in the top 50 for the NFL Draft as five star athletes. Still believe stars are everything?
1 Andrew Luck 68 national
2 Matt Kalil 11 national
3 Robert Griffin III
4 Morris Claiborne
5 Trent Richardson 6 national
6 Justin Blackmon
7 Devon Still
8 Riley Reiff
9 Jonathan Martin
10 Dre Kirkpatrick 11 national
11 David DeCastro
12 Quinton Coples 105 national
13 Michael Brockers 201 national
14 Nick Perry 56 national
15 Kendall Wright
16 Luke Kuechly
17 Janoris Jenkins 51 national
18 Mark Barron 55 national
19 Melvin Ingram
20 Courtney Upshaw 131 national
21 Peter Konz
22 Michael Floyd 27 national
23 Jerel Worthy
24 Whitney Mercilus
25 Fletcher Cox 94 national
26 Cordy Glenn 137 national
27 Alfonzo Dennard
28 Dontari Poe
29 Ryan Tannehill
30 Dont'a Hightower
31 Mike Adams 3 national
32 Dwayne Allen
32 Brandon Thompson 114 national
33 Zach Brown
34 Andre Branch
35 Mohamed Sanu
36 Coby Fleener
37 Lamar Miller 80 national
38 Lavonte David
39 Brandon Washington 147 national
40 Stephon Gilmore 84 national
41 David Wilson 40 national
42 Kelechi Osemele
44 Zebrie Sanders 128 national
45 Alshon Jeffery 99 national
46 Bobby Wagner
47 Leonard Johnson
48 Doug Martin
49 Jared Crick
50 Kendall Reyes
Now you've seen the figures above.
Notre Dame landed:
5
Gunner Kiel - 20 national
4
Sheldon Day - 240 national
Jarron Jones - 199 national
William Mahone - 197 national
KeiVarae Russell - 124 national
Tee Shepard - 76 national
Elijah Shumate - 113 national
Ronnie Stanley - 176 national
Understandably, when you see the high star value attached to a player you get excited. But according to stats above, you have to think realistically. There is a great chance that the "other" recruits we picked up will add more value then some of the ones above.
Stanford had four players on the top 50, three of them were 3 players.
These recruits are the ones we could be cheering loudest for on gameday:
Chris Brown (this guy is supposedly the steal of the recruiting process, the last person I read that had that title was the 4th guy on the top 50 draft board. Morris Claiborne)
Romeo Okwara
CJ Prosise
Nicky Baratti
Justin Ferguson
John Turner (I believe this guy will suprise many, the chip has been put on his shoulder by his own fanbase)
Mark Harrell
And hell, even Scott Daly. How many times have you seen the long snapper get down field and make a play?
Now you may look at this entire post with your pessimism and dismiss it entirely, saying " well these stats don't mean anything because...." or you may look at it with optimism. I am the optimistic guy that sees 23 of the top 50 NFL recruits with 3 or lower stars, and I say to myself "these guys had the drive to succeed", and I believe that the stars on a player matter to a certain extent. It's the coach that selects these players and I know that BK would only get players that have the drive to succeed, so whether they are 2 or 5 star players, BK will get the most of the athlete you see on the field.
Take this thread how you will, I hope I could bring a little knowledge to you, or at the very least something to read. I had a game plan going into this thread, then I ended up being all over the place. Go Irish!
A vast majority of the people on this board feel that a recruiting class is a success or failure based on how many 5 star and 4 star athletes you get. I saw plenty of comments saying this class was a failure because we failed to land Darby, Decker, Tee's Cousin, Marshall and countless other high rated athletes. The question is; If you are one of the people that put their stock in star ratings, do you believe in the coaching staff we have in place at Notre Dame? If you don't have faith BK and company can get the very best out of these players they recruit, then maybe the below stats will make you feel at ease with the players we just recruited.
In 2008 there were thirty 5
athletes listed.In 2009 there were thirty three 5
athletes listed.In the top 50 NFL prospects listed below there are:
Five - 5
athletesTwenty four - 4
athletesSixteen - 3
athletesFive - 2
athletesYeah thats right, there are the same number of two star athletes in the top 50 for the NFL Draft as five star athletes. Still believe stars are everything?
1 Andrew Luck
68 national2 Matt Kalil
11 national3 Robert Griffin III
4 Morris Claiborne
5 Trent Richardson
6 national6 Justin Blackmon
7 Devon Still
8 Riley Reiff
9 Jonathan Martin
10 Dre Kirkpatrick
11 national11 David DeCastro
12 Quinton Coples
105 national13 Michael Brockers
201 national14 Nick Perry
56 national15 Kendall Wright
16 Luke Kuechly
17 Janoris Jenkins
51 national18 Mark Barron
55 national19 Melvin Ingram
20 Courtney Upshaw
131 national21 Peter Konz
22 Michael Floyd
27 national23 Jerel Worthy
24 Whitney Mercilus
25 Fletcher Cox
94 national26 Cordy Glenn
137 national27 Alfonzo Dennard
28 Dontari Poe
29 Ryan Tannehill
30 Dont'a Hightower
31 Mike Adams
3 national32 Dwayne Allen
32 Brandon Thompson
114 national33 Zach Brown
34 Andre Branch
35 Mohamed Sanu
36 Coby Fleener
37 Lamar Miller
80 national38 Lavonte David
39 Brandon Washington
147 national40 Stephon Gilmore
84 national41 David Wilson
40 national42 Kelechi Osemele
44 Zebrie Sanders
128 national45 Alshon Jeffery
99 national46 Bobby Wagner
47 Leonard Johnson
48 Doug Martin
49 Jared Crick
50 Kendall Reyes
Now you've seen the figures above.
Notre Dame landed:
5
Gunner Kiel - 20 national
4
Sheldon Day - 240 national
Jarron Jones - 199 national
William Mahone - 197 national
KeiVarae Russell - 124 national
Tee Shepard - 76 national
Elijah Shumate - 113 national
Ronnie Stanley - 176 national
Understandably, when you see the high star value attached to a player you get excited. But according to stats above, you have to think realistically. There is a great chance that the "other" recruits we picked up will add more value then some of the ones above.
Stanford had four players on the top 50, three of them were 3
players.These recruits are the ones we could be cheering loudest for on gameday:
Chris Brown (this guy is supposedly the steal of the recruiting process, the last person I read that had that title was the 4th guy on the top 50 draft board. Morris Claiborne)
Romeo Okwara
CJ Prosise
Nicky Baratti
Justin Ferguson
John Turner (I believe this guy will suprise many, the chip has been put on his shoulder by his own fanbase)
Mark Harrell
And hell, even Scott Daly. How many times have you seen the long snapper get down field and make a play?
Now you may look at this entire post with your pessimism and dismiss it entirely, saying " well these stats don't mean anything because...." or you may look at it with optimism. I am the optimistic guy that sees 23 of the top 50 NFL recruits with 3 or lower stars, and I say to myself "these guys had the drive to succeed", and I believe that the stars on a player matter to a certain extent. It's the coach that selects these players and I know that BK would only get players that have the drive to succeed, so whether they are 2 or 5 star players, BK will get the most of the athlete you see on the field.
Take this thread how you will, I hope I could bring a little knowledge to you, or at the very least something to read. I had a game plan going into this thread, then I ended up being all over the place. Go Irish!
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