ND vs GA Tech Betting Line

[DCirishfan]

Line opened at nd -1.5 now ga tech -2.5 avg offshores and vegas. That move is not good news for our boyz. Hopefully smart money is wrong.

 

[connor_in]

Line opened at nd -1.5 now ga tech -2.5 avg offshores and vegas. That move is not good news for our boyz. Hopefully smart money is wrong.

Personally, I only care about the scoreboard at the end of the game.

 

[Bugzly21]

I wouldn't look to far into it. Just means money was laid on GT which makes sense considering what ND has lost to injuries this year already. Since the line came out Zaire is out for the year and the Smythe. Look at how far ND dropped in odds to win NC, went from 19-1 to 33-1 in 24 hrs

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Its a betting line. Id worry if they were favored by 30. All it shows is uncertainty with a new qb. Also a bunch a gambling mumbo jumbo that causes the line to move that has more to do with money than the game itself.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Personally I fear the game will be a lot worse than GT winning by 2.5. I really fear that the offense will not be able to consistently move the ball and therefore keep our D on the field way too much. GT is a running team which suggests longer time to score versus a passing team. I dont see Kizer as a D1 qb, much less the qb as a top 10 rated team. He scored on that long pass vs Virginia because 1) it was man coverage 2) our receiver just beat the DB, was a lob pass and 3) I dont think the defense really expected much from Kizer so they didnt play heavy pass defense. I dont see Kizer as anyone that will beat you consistently with his arm and I dont see him as the threat at running like Zaire was. My only hope is that the Oline gets it together this week and decides to open some holes. The ND Oline athletes are far superior recruited athletes to GT so you would think we would run wild but after the Virginia game and their 2/3 star recruits, Im beginning to question that as well.

With GT winning TOP heavily, this can very easily turn into a nasty game. Hope Im wrong.

 

[woolybug25]

Personally I fear the game will be a lot worse than GT winning by 2.5. I really fear that the offense will not be able to consistently move the ball and therefore keep our D on the field way too much. GT is a running team which suggests longer time to score versus a passing team. I dont see Kizer as a D1 qb, much less the qb as a top 10 rated team. He scored on that long pass vs Virginia because 1) it was man coverage 2) our receiver just beat the DB, was a lob pass and 3) I dont think the defense really expected much from Kizer so they didnt play heavy pass defense. I dont see Kizer as anyone that will beat you consistently with his arm and I dont see him as the threat at running like Zaire was. My only hope is that the Oline gets it together this week and decides to open some holes. The ND Oline athletes are far superior recruited athletes to GT so you would think we would run wild but after the Virginia game and their 2/3 star recruits, Im beginning to question that as well.

With GT winning TOP heavily, this can very easily turn into a nasty game. Hope Im wrong.

Get the fuq outta here... seriously? Kizer looked great and was a top recruit out of high school.

"Not a D1 QB"... pfft.... take that drama back to ya' mama....

 

[Dizzyphil]

Personally I fear the game will be a lot worse than GT winning by 2.5. I really fear that the offense will not be able to consistently move the ball and therefore keep our D on the field way too much. GT is a running team which suggests longer time to score versus a passing team. I dont see Kizer as a D1 qb, much less the qb as a top 10 rated team. He scored on that long pass vs Virginia because 1) it was man coverage 2) our receiver just beat the DB, was a lob pass and 3) I dont think the defense really expected much from Kizer so they didnt play heavy pass defense. I dont see Kizer as anyone that will beat you consistently with his arm and I dont see him as the threat at running like Zaire was. My only hope is that the Oline gets it together this week and decides to open some holes. The ND Oline athletes are far superior recruited athletes to GT so you would think we would run wild but after the Virginia game and their 2/3 star recruits, Im beginning to question that as well.

With GT winning TOP heavily, this can very easily turn into a nasty game. Hope Im wrong.

I don't know why. Kizer is perfectly able to move the ball. Irish still have one of the top 5 O-lines in the country. Prosise and Adams will do just fine behind that 'wall'. Kizer was 8/12 average almost 8 yards per. And, this is coming in unexpected, kept his poise, made good decisions, ran good when flushed and needed.

Against GT, it will be the result of the defense stopping GT enough times for the score to be in the favor of the Irish.

 

[kmoose]

I dont see Kizer as a D1 qb, much less the qb as a top 10 rated team. He scored on that long pass vs Virginia because 1) it was man coverage 2) our receiver just beat the DB, was a lob pass and 3) I dont think the defense really expected much from Kizer so they didnt play heavy pass defense.

I don't know if Kizer will be a solid DI-A QB or not, but that pass was NO reason to doubt it. That was a great deep ball that hit the receiver right in stride.

My only hope is that the Oline gets it together this week and decides to open some holes. The ND Oline athletes are far superior recruited athletes to GT so you would think we would run wild but after the Virginia game and their 2/3 star recruits, Im beginning to question that as well.

Yes, because a converted WR running for 155 yards on 17 carries (a 9.1 ypc avg) is indicative of an underperforming offensive line?

With GT winning TOP heavily, this can very easily turn into a nasty game. Hope Im wrong.

You know that a team like GT is going to move the ball on you. You can't try to shut them down, because it's just not practical. What you have to do against a team like GT is hold them to Field Goals. Keep them out of the end zone, and you put the pressure back on THEM. That's predicated on you taking advantage of your own possessions and scoring touchdowns, but that's a time-proven method for beating a triple option team.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Personally I fear the game will be a lot worse than GT winning by 2.5. I really fear that the offense will not be able to consistently move the ball and therefore keep our D on the field way too much. GT is a running team which suggests longer time to score versus a passing team. I dont see Kizer as a D1 qb, much less the qb as a top 10 rated team. He scored on that long pass vs Virginia because 1) it was man coverage 2) our receiver just beat the DB, was a lob pass and 3) I dont think the defense really expected much from Kizer so they didnt play heavy pass defense. I dont see Kizer as anyone that will beat you consistently with his arm and I dont see him as the threat at running like Zaire was. My only hope is that the Oline gets it together this week and decides to open some holes. The ND Oline athletes are far superior recruited athletes to GT so you would think we would run wild but after the Virginia game and their 2/3 star recruits, Im beginning to question that as well.

With GT winning TOP heavily, this can very easily turn into a nasty game. Hope Im wrong.

I struggle with this one. Kid was a top 10 qb coming out of high school. What are you basing this view on?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

-2.5? That's bad?

I truly believe that ND could lose this game by 30.

The offense could stall, defense could collapse. It's setting up for a perfect storm type of disaster.

 

[Irish YJ]

I struggle with this one. Kid was a top 10 qb coming out of high school. What are you basing this view on?

close, but not top 10. composite #12 pro, with a 90 rating, and 232 national ranking (lowest rated scholarship QB on our roster)

 

[connor_in]

Quarterback
Central Catholic High School
Toledo, Ohio

Measurables
Height: 6'5
Weight: 205

Stats
2011: 1147 Passing Yards, 10 TDs; 540 Rushing Yards, 4 TDs
2012:
2013:

Rankings
Rivals: 5.8 Rating, #9 QB
247: 91 Rating, #8 OH, #5 Dual QB, #193 Overall
ESPN: #6 DUAL QB
Scout: #13 QB
247 Composite: 91 Rating, #10 OH, #3 Dual QB, #2224 Overall

Offers
Notre Dame
Alabama
Louisville
Michigan State
North Carolina
Northwestern
Tennessee
Arkansas
Boston College
Bowling Green
Kentucky
LSU
Nebraska
Penn State
Purdue
Syracuse
Toledo
Rutgers

Interest
Ohio State
Michigan
USC
UCLA
Indiana
Iowa
West Virginia

What part of this makes you question Kizer as a D1 QB?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

HE HAS AN MSU OFFER!

 

[Dizzyphil]

close, but not top 10. composite #12 pro, with a 90 rating, and 232 national ranking (lowest rated scholarship QB on our roster)

But, he showed something to programs when we was recruited. Outside of ND; Alabama, LSU, Mich. St, and Tennessee sent him offer letters.

 

[Dizzyphil]

What part of this makes you question Kizer as a D1 QB?

HE HAS AN MSU OFFER!

Wow.... need to sharpen up on my typing skills..... came in a little late!

 

[Irish YJ]

But, he showed something to programs when we was recruited. Outside of ND; Alabama, LSU, Mich. St, and Tennessee sent him offer letters.

Not saying he isn't D1 or good. Just providing fact and data. IIRC his ratings dropped as his senior year went along. I could be wrong. I'm personally high on DK. I just hope BK is prepping Wimbush well in the case things don't work out.

 

[koonja]

I think he's definitely a D1 QB, but FWIW, his 247 ranking dropped from 94 to 91 after his senior season, and his Alabama offer was never commit-able. I read that in an article and the quotes were straight from Kizer.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think he's definitely a D1 QB, but FWIW, his 247 ranking dropped from 94 to 91 after his senior season, and his Alabama offer was never commit-able. I read that in an article and the quotes were straight from Kizer.

He had a few offers that were not commitable IIRC

 

[koonja]

I would love to see a package for Wimbush. He runs like a young Braxton Miller.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Not saying he isn't D1 or good. Just providing fact and data. IIRC his ratings dropped as his senior year went along. I could be wrong. I'm personally high on DK. I just hope BK is prepping Wimbush well in the case things don't work out.

I never really have been extremely high on ratings. I mean, I do follow them and expect a certain amount of the rating to coincide with the player once they (if they) hit the field regardless of the program the recruit goes.

But I always go back to Marcus Mariota. He was a 3-star coming out of high school. Only offered by Memphis and Oregon.

High School coaches can only do so much to 'Coach' a player. Once the player gets to the level of D1, the coaching increases dramatically plus, the system also may dictate or bring out certain qualities of a player not available or used in HS.

I honestly believe Kizer can produce. Wimbush is fit to be seen but, he too was offered by Alabama, LSU, Miami, Mich. St, Tennesse and Ohio St. So there is something there.

 

[mick2]

if kelly can win 8 games with rees, why not 10 or 12 with kizer? I'm excited about saturday.

I like being the underdog rather than the favorite.

 

[Dizzyphil]

if kelly can win 8 games with rees, why not 10 or 12 with kizer? I'm excited about saturday.

I like being the underdog rather than the favorite.

agreed - Everybody has boasted about the crew of coaches Kelly has behind him. Certainly there is a system in place to highlight Kizer's abilities.

 

[Blaise]

if kelly can win 8 games with rees, why not 10 or 12 with kizer? I'm excited about saturday.

I like being the underdog rather than the favorite.

I don't think we can beat G Tech but I didn't think we could beat G Tech healthy... Our defense has never been able to control the triple option with exception of 2012..... But after two games.. Kizer will be ready to go against Clemson and USC and I would be SHOCKED if we don't win 9 games

 

[Wingman Ray]

Problem is that ND didnt move the ball against a .500 at best Virginia team at will. I agree on paper ND has a rockin line....just need to show proof now. Running against a bad Tx Dline wasnt impressive. And there were many runs completely stuffed. ND won the battle 2nd half but this wasnt against great competition.

Im not saying GT is great competition either. Recruit wise, nothing special at all. ND SHOULD be able to move at will vs GT. If they cant move at will vs GT, might as well throw out success vs USC or Stanford who has much better defensive players. Im just saying, ND has a nasty habit of under producing against much lesser competition.

GT has run the score up against some really, really bad teams fact. I dont think they will run over ND unless the offense lays an egg and does nothing. You have to assume GT is stronger vs the run since they practice against a running first, second and third offense every day in practice. The question is can Kizer win with his arm if the run shuts down without miracle plays?

 

[koonja]

We all know GT lost a lot on offense besides QB and OL, but what are they returning on defense?

I think Virginia has a solid defense. Anytime you have upperclassmen with a few years in the weight room, it's going to be a solid.

9 of their starters on defense were in at least their 3rd year in the college.

2015 Virginia Cavaliers Football Depth Chart | Ourlads.com

 

[mick2]

I haven't researched this, so just a thought, but maybe our struggles against option teams was that the games were scheduled at inopportune times where we may have looked ahead to the next week, or just came off of a tough week.

The difference this season is that I feel the staff has circled GT as a game of utmost importance, and a good amount of focus this offseason was stopping the option.

in 2012 when we could put a lot of focus on navy as first game of year, we destroyed them.

 

[Wingman Ray]

We all know GT lost a lot on offense besides QB and OL, but what are they returning on defense?

I think Virginia has a solid defense. Anytime you have upperclassmen with a few years in the weight room, it's going to be a solid.

9 of their starters on defense were in at least their 3rd year in the college.

2015 Virginia Cavaliers Football Depth Chart | Ourlads.com

Okay let me ask you this one question to answer honestly:

Would Bama have any problem absolutely crushing Virginia and need a hail mary with 12 secs to go to win this year? Would OSU? MSU?

The answer should be a resounding no. So basically, ND Is no way close to being a playoff team. And for good reason. Lose your starting TB, QB, TE and DT in two games and things get tough. But it is the hand we are dealt and all teams deal with injuries. OSU had their first two qbs go down and depended on the run game with an OL less rated than NDs and they won a NC.

That is where ND should be. The fact that it isnt is 100% on BK.

 

[woolybug25]

Okay let me ask you this one question to answer honestly:

Would Bama have any problem absolutely crushing Virginia and need a hail mary with 12 secs to go to win this year? Would OSU? MSU?

The answer should be a resounding no. So basically, ND Is no way close to being a playoff team. And for good reason. Lose your starting TB, QB, TE and DT in two games and things get tough. But it is the hand we are dealt and all teams deal with injuries. OSU had their first two qbs go down and depended on the run game with an OL less rated than NDs and they won a NC.

That is where ND should be. The fact that it isnt is 100% on BK.

OSU lost to a 7-6 VT team last year before winning a title.

MSU struggled with Western Michigan in week 1.

So to answer your question.... yes, they could have a problem "absolutely crushing UVA"...

 

[Dizzyphil]

Okay let me ask you this one question to answer honestly:

Would Bama have any problem absolutely crushing Virginia and need a hail mary with 12 secs to go to win this year? Would OSU? MSU?

The answer should be a resounding no. So basically, ND Is no way close to being a playoff team. And for good reason. Lose your starting TB, QB, TE and DT in two games and things get tough. But it is the hand we are dealt and all teams deal with injuries. OSU had their first two qbs go down and depended on the run game with an OL less rated than NDs and they won a NC.

That is where ND should be. The fact that it isnt is 100% on BK.

Would the Irish have struggled with Toledo???

You can't ask this question. I know what you are hunting for but, it is too open-ended. Just like the adage - Any given Saturday.....

 

[koonja]

Can't quote-

Meeting in a minute, so quick response - maybe. I mean, bama to the playoffs last year and almost lose to West Virginia early last year. Struggles happen to good teams, especially sandwiched between 2 bigger games.