ND moves down to #10 in AP Poll

[LOVEMYIRISH]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/ap/

 

[NDgettysburg]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/ap/

I hate the AP poll.....

I see WVU got 2 first place votes AGAIN. Wonder who cast them? Same guys in LA I bet.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I hate the AP poll.....

I see WVU got 2 first place votes AGAIN. Wonder who cast them? Same guys in LA I bet.

I can live with the 10 ranking...but it's surreal to see WVU with a 1st place vote.

 

[BGIF]

In the Top 25 Roundup last night I said ND might drop as low as 12 in a worse case scenario note ND is only 15 points away from dropping to 11th place (CAL). There's 65 voters but UF is a solid 101 points over ND and AUB 134 points more than ND. Clemson only picked up 9 votes. No love for CL this week from the Writes nor the Coaches.

Slippage in a Bye Week isn't unusual but ND could actually drop from #8 to #12.

I'd expect AUB with one loss to jump us as the winner over the #2 team and the Top SEC team.
CAL, also one loss, had a good win and could jump as well.
As TEN, also one loss, beat CAL, they could ride the coattails over ND.
IF those teams jump ND, UF, also one loss, won't fall below ND.
CLEM, also one loss, could garner enough votes as the Top ACC Team to jump ND.

Not saying any of this is right. Just figuring on Conference Block voting materializing as the BCS opens and the jockeying really begins.

 

[BGIF]

Point Differential for 10/15 and 10/8 AP Polls

Point Differential for 10/15 and 10/8 AP Polls

ND on a BYE has the 3rd largest drop -26. UTN gained 20 points with a BYE while GT gained 33 on a BYE.

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SDNUM="1033;0;@">6-1</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="12">12</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="885">885</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="876">876</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="9">9</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right height=17 SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="13">13</TD><TD align=left>GT</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;@">5-1</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="13">13</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="772">772</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="739">739</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="33">33</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right height=17 SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="14">14</TD><TD align=left>LSU</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;@">5-2</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="14">14</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="751">751</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="693">693</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="58">58</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right height=17 SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="15">15</TD><TD align=left>ARK</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;@">5-1</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="17">17</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="734">734</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="482">482</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="252">252</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right height=17 SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="16">16</TD><TD align=left>ORE</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;@">5-1</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="18">18</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="639">639</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="474">474</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="165">165</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right height=17 SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="17">17</TD><TD align=left>NU</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;@">6-1</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="21">21</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="555">555</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="431">431</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="124">124</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right height=17 SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="18">18</TD><TD align=left>BSU</TD><TD align=middle 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SDVAL="19">19</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="93">93</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="469">469</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="-376">-376</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right height=17 SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="25">25</TD><TD align=left>WF</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;@">6-1</TD><TD align=right>NR</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="83">83</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="1">1</TD><TD align=right SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="82">82</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[Guest]

If I'm not mistaken the AP poll doesn't count in the computers. I know the coaches, and Harris polls do, but I don't think the AP does. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[scooper]

If I'm not mistaken the AP poll doesn't count in the computers. I know the coaches, and Harris polls do, but I don't think the AP does. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct.

 

[Ant4NDIrish]

Florida beats Tenn at Tenn and is ranked lower than Tenn. Go figure!

 

[BGIF]

Florida beats Tenn at Tenn and is ranked lower than Tenn. Go figure!

Voters "slotting" dropping a team a set number of slots. UF was only 26 points behind but out of 65 voters that represents 40%.

 

[jiggafini19]

I haven't seen enough of WVU to see what teams are doing against them...

Wouldn't you stack the box with 8-9 to stop White and Slaton? I haven't seen the stats on their D either.

White and Slaton run all over people. I would imagine you'd have a shot at beating WVU by making them throw and getting them into 3rd and long situations.

 

[maison bleu]

I haven't seen enough of WVU to see what teams are doing against them...

Wouldn't you stack the box with 8-9 to stop White and Slaton? I haven't seen the stats on their D either.

White and Slaton run all over people. I would imagine you'd have a shot at beating WVU by making them throw and getting them into 3rd and long situations.

That would be my approach. They rank 108 among Div 1A teams in passing offense.

On the other hand, maybe that's not even necessary. Just play them straight up with a decent IA defense: part of the reason they look so good on offense is that their opponents' defenses uniformly suck (so far). The average Total Defense rank of their 5 Div 1A opponents = 87/119.
.........................................................Total D rank
Sep 2 Marshall W 42-10..............103
Sep 9 E. Washington W 52-3.............82 in 1AA
Sep 14 Maryland W 45-24.............81
Sep 23 at East Carolina W 27-10 .........82 in 1A
Oct 7 at Mississippi State W 42-14.......63
Oct 14 Syracuse W 41-17....................109

It's going to get harder for UWV. Here's what they have left:
............................................................Total D rank
Fri, Oct 20 at Connecticut...................52
Thu, Nov 2 at (6) Louisville................21
Sat, Nov 11 Cincinnati........................53
Thu, Nov 16 at Pittsburgh ...................27
Sat, Nov 25 South Florida....................34
Sat, Dec 2 (19) Rutgers......................2

I say they lose at least once (Louisville or Pitt), and that once they hit some better defenses, you won't be hearing "Slaton" and "Heisman" in the same sentence nearly as much as you do now.

But I've been wrong before...

 

[Bubba]

That would be my approach. They rank 108 among Div 1A teams in passing offense.

On the other hand, maybe that's not even necessary. Just play them straight up with a decent IA defense: part of the reason they look so good on offense is that their opponents' defenses uniformly suck (so far). The average Total Defense rank of their 5 Div 1A opponents = 87/119.
.........................................................Total D rank
Sep 2 Marshall W 42-10..............103
Sep 9 E. Washington W 52-3.............82 in 1AA
Sep 14 Maryland W 45-24.............81
Sep 23 at East Carolina W 27-10 .........82 in 1A
Oct 7 at Mississippi State W 42-14.......63
Oct 14 Syracuse W 41-17....................109

It's going to get harder for UWV. Here's what they have left:
............................................................Total D rank
Fri, Oct 20 at Connecticut...................52
Thu, Nov 2 at (6) Louisville................21
Sat, Nov 11 Cincinnati........................53
Thu, Nov 16 at Pittsburgh ...................27
Sat, Nov 25 South Florida....................34
Sat, Dec 2 (19) Rutgers......................2

I say they lose at least once (Louisville or Pitt), and that once they hit some better defenses, you won't be hearing "Slaton" and "Heisman" in the same sentence nearly as much as you do now.

But I've been wrong before...

Looking at that remaining schedule, they could lose twice before it's all over. Maybe even 3 times. I think Rutgers beats them to close out the season. Louisville probably beats them. Cincy gave Louisville a run, and Pitt seems to be putting it together. (I don't know how, with Wanny as a head coach.)

 

[maison bleu]

Looking at that remaining schedule, they could lose twice before it's all over. Maybe even 3 times. I think Rutgers beats them to close out the season. Louisville probably beats them. Cincy gave Louisville a run, and Pitt seems to be putting it together. (I don't know how, with Wanny as a head coach.)

Yeah, I don't trust the Wandstaches either. Sparty beat them in their house. But they have been playing better, and it is a roadie for WV.

 

[jiggafini19]

Louisville is likely. I think WVU handles Pitt rather well.