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Alright, I have my own little thread going here. No one caught why I posted this at the same time Brown committed to UM. He said his last two trips to ND and UM were "educational" visits. I have read other places on this site that, when a recruit states that academics are important, it is huey. I thought Brown was a good exemple of that. Note how the rankings were compiled. UM was right up there with the Director's cup points (which I think is purely athletic). UM was right up there with US News ranking (which I think is mainly academic). However, UM's student-athlete graduation rate was abysmal. They are merely a football factory with academics.
ND on the other hand was pretty damn excellent in all three. We take long term care of our student athletes. I think the type of player Charlie wants will recognize this. The ones who do not - good luck to them, they probably do not belong at ND anyway.
This is probably not news to people who frequent this site, but I think it is news (i.e., that ND is not purely a football factory) to many recruits.
ND on the other hand was pretty damn excellent in all three. We take long term care of our student athletes. I think the type of player Charlie wants will recognize this. The ones who do not - good luck to them, they probably do not belong at ND anyway.
This is probably not news to people who frequent this site, but I think it is news (i.e., that ND is not purely a football factory) to many recruits.
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Previous post is a breath of fresh air.
Michigan does not graduate their football players and their players have been getting into trouble off of the field in recent years. Recall the DT from Detroit that was playing with himself on the front porch?
Any kid that says choosing Michigan is an "academic" decision has clearly not done his homework.
Michigan does not graduate their football players and their players have been getting into trouble off of the field in recent years. Recall the DT from Detroit that was playing with himself on the front porch?
Any kid that says choosing Michigan is an "academic" decision has clearly not done his homework.
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jiggafini19 said:
While most certainly have not taken advantage of it, you can say that the opportunities are there though.
However, most don't take advantage of it.
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Svoboda said:
They don't. And the coaching staff, athletic dept and administration don't seem to mind much either.
Funny how that works in a mutual way.
Svoboda said:
Exactly, and I think the big distinction is that ND is willing to expend the resources to make sure the kid is the type who will take advantage of what is there for him, and the kid (who has the world eating out of his hand and may tend to be a bit short-sighted) actually takes advantage of it.
I think (and this is pure speculation) that many recruiters sell UM (and others) academic program while knowing that the kid will probably not actually take advantage. Frankly, if I am correct, I think that is disingenious at best.
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They're football program is no better than the basketball program of the late 80s and early 90s from what I hear in coaching circles. They don't care. The booster/alumni pressure is intense. It becomes a win at all costs situation year in and year out.
Michigan produces great students. Their student athletes, especially in football, leave a lot to be desired. They are getting far more academic exceptions than most people think. Is it a dirty program? No. Shady? Sure.
Michigan People talk about Ohio State having dirt on their hands....
People that live in glass houses...something something....
Michigan produces great students. Their student athletes, especially in football, leave a lot to be desired. They are getting far more academic exceptions than most people think. Is it a dirty program? No. Shady? Sure.
Michigan People talk about Ohio State having dirt on their hands....
People that live in glass houses...something something....
I think that is what a good recruiter at ND stresses (in the academic discussion). That is, we have a great academic program AND we do everything we can to make sure you take advantage. In addition, the recruiter has to seek out the great athletes who will also listen to and hear the pitch. This is true whether the kid has 1400 SAT and 3.8 GPA or a 700 SAT and a 2.5.
I think this also helps with ND admissions. If the recruiter can quantify why a kid who ostensibly does not have the academic potential to make it, can make it nonetheless (e.g., great work ethic, held done a job in high school to help support the family, just an overall good kid), then I think admissions is more likely to let the kid in.
When I was there Lou was recruiting Tony Rice. He did not have the greatest SAT. However, Lou must have been able to quantify the fact that Rice would make the grade - they let him in. What a great ambassador Rice is today.
However, that puts an extra step in the recruiting process with which the USC's and UM's of the world to not have to contend. It makes the recruiting process more difficult for the ND coaches but also more rewarding - assuming their goals are in line with the University's (i.e., to produce the best football team but, more importanlty, to produce great contributors to society).
That is one of the many things that makes ND so special.
I think this also helps with ND admissions. If the recruiter can quantify why a kid who ostensibly does not have the academic potential to make it, can make it nonetheless (e.g., great work ethic, held done a job in high school to help support the family, just an overall good kid), then I think admissions is more likely to let the kid in.
When I was there Lou was recruiting Tony Rice. He did not have the greatest SAT. However, Lou must have been able to quantify the fact that Rice would make the grade - they let him in. What a great ambassador Rice is today.
However, that puts an extra step in the recruiting process with which the USC's and UM's of the world to not have to contend. It makes the recruiting process more difficult for the ND coaches but also more rewarding - assuming their goals are in line with the University's (i.e., to produce the best football team but, more importanlty, to produce great contributors to society).
That is one of the many things that makes ND so special.
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There are guys Notre Dame can't even contact because of their grades. Those guys go to Ohio State or Free Shoes U. Programs like Oregon State and Kansas State are not graduating players, nor do they bring in quality people.
There was a story in SI years ago about ND and the admissions standards. While they hold integrity close to the vest, they often times shot themselves in the foot. It works both ways. Jarrett Payton wanted to go to ND, but couldn't get in because he lacked a high school math course. TJ Duckett also wanted to go to ND and he had even more road blocks. I think they are giving Weis a bit more room to work with. Early admissions is a huge asset because it is the nature of the beast currently.
A guy like Willie Williams (Miami) probably isn't the best fit. But there have been other guys out there that work hard and might not be Rhoades Scholars, but ND has passed them over. I think under Weis you will see more guys getting a chance that really deserve it.
But don't expect any Florida State-Oregon State type people.
There was a story in SI years ago about ND and the admissions standards. While they hold integrity close to the vest, they often times shot themselves in the foot. It works both ways. Jarrett Payton wanted to go to ND, but couldn't get in because he lacked a high school math course. TJ Duckett also wanted to go to ND and he had even more road blocks. I think they are giving Weis a bit more room to work with. Early admissions is a huge asset because it is the nature of the beast currently.
A guy like Willie Williams (Miami) probably isn't the best fit. But there have been other guys out there that work hard and might not be Rhoades Scholars, but ND has passed them over. I think under Weis you will see more guys getting a chance that really deserve it.
But don't expect any Florida State-Oregon State type people.
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dgiorgioiii said:
It is a certainty.
Holtz was poised to break Rockne's wins record and mysteriously leaves?
I have a feeling the whole issue was academic exceptions. Holtz wanted to open the flood gates and they said no way. There are many alumni I've networked with who agree 100%.
The Kim Dunbar fiasco didn't help matters any.
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jiggafini19 said:
Please elaborate on the "Dunbar" fiasco
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LuckoftheIrish86 said:
Kim Dunbar? She was a member of the now defunct ND Quarterback Club and gave expensive gifts to about 12 players....was doing the no pants dance with about 3 or 4. The NCAA ruled that she was a rep of the school and subject to NCAA rules. Hence, the QB Club now being defunct. She was not a typical booster, but she caused enough trouble to bring the haters out of the woodwork.
Most of the issues occured under Holtz, but it all came down on Davie. I believe Dunbar had a kid with one of the players...Jarvis Edison maybe?