My last attempt...

[lattedatte]

I'm through trying to convince people that WVU is a top 10 team.... To be honest I think their defense is pretty bad. But please would one person say they have one of the top 3backs and top 5 QB's in the country!! Just one person that's all I ask and I will never, ever bring up WVU again.

 

[NDOM]

I'm through trying to convince people that WVU is a top 10 team.... To be honest I think their defense is pretty bad. But please would one person say they have one of the top 3backs and top 5 QB's in the country!! Just one person that's all I ask and I will never, ever bring up WVU again.

I agree with you totally. I think Pat White is a top 10 QB, and Steve Slaton is top 3 running back. I would say Pat White is about the 6th or 7th best qb in the nation.

 

[luckofirish8]

I refuse...but I will say that they the perfect combination of QB and RB for their gimmick based offense. It is impossible to stop for an entire game. This makes them very tough to beat.

 

[scooper]

Slaton is a top 5 running back. White is a top 10 running back. And a top 15 QB. Their offense is drawn up very well.

They have yet to face a very good defense, so we're not sure how their lack of balance would play out.

They are definately a top 10 team.

 

[tedwick]

a running back and a quarterback do not a team make. need defense, great teams do. defense, west virginia does not have. balanced attack, west virginia does not have. spread option, you say? bah. gimmick.

Top 25, but certainly not top 10. There's no denying that slaton and smith are an excellent duo of athletes. but 2/22 isn't saying a whole lot. the two of them make the offense unstoppable at times, but they couldn't do what they've done with a decent schedule.

 

[Clotho]

Their D makes our D look good.

And Slaton and White are top 10 at their positions- in college. When both of them flop in the pros it'll just bear out the accusations that they benefitted from a gimmick offense.

 

[lattedatte]

a running back and a quarterback do not a team make. need defense, great teams do. defense, west virginia does not have. balanced attack, west virginia does not have. spread option, you say? bah. gimmick.

Top 25, but certainly not top 10. There's no denying that slaton and smith are an excellent duo of athletes. but 2/22 isn't saying a whole lot. the two of them make the offense unstoppable at times, but they couldn't do what they've done with a decent schedule.

First of all thank you.

I promised not to argue about the team and I'm a man of m, I believe the ranked about right and I'll leave it at that.

However, Mozes(probably about the the best center in college football, and, schmidt, reynaurd are also great player, so at least give me 5/22, please and I'll be happy...

I would love to see an ND/WVU sugar bowl or whatever. It would likely be like 48-40, ND of course. Those are two great offenses, wow. It would actually be very similiar to last yrs rose bowl.

 

[lattedatte]

Their D makes our D look good.

And Slaton and White are top 10 at their positions- in college. When both of them flop in the pros it'll just bear out the accusations that they benefitted from a gimmick offense.

clotho I agree with you about white, he will not make a good pro qb but honestly I could care two shits about the pros. Slaton however I think he could be good.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Yeah, they're probably top 10. I'd say Slaton is top 4, behind Kenny Irons, Mike Hart, and Adrien Peterson (even if he is injured).

 

[Clotho]

I'll say Slaton has better pro prospects, to my eye, than White. But how good is he really? I just think that system makes it hard to judge. Time will tell tho.

 

[lattedatte]

I'll say Slaton has better pro prospects, to my eye, than White. But how good is he really? I just think that system makes it hard to judge. Time will tell tho.

I could only go by what I've seen with with my own eyes, he's tough, has patience, good blocker, great hands and did I mention he's really, really fast. And while i agree his schedule is fairly weak, since he started in the second half of the louisville game last year he has dominated in every game. In that span they have played some good teams included louisville twice, Georgia and Maryland. Did you also realize he is a true sophomore and is playing this year with a broken wrist that will need surgery after the season. I agree with Herbie awesome back, I put him no. 1 overall,

I'm not sure white will even get drafted, but he did get drafted in the 8th round of the MLB draft two yrs ago so i know he has an arm. I still say he is a college qb though similiar to Charlie Ward, but not as good. I put him 5 overall right now behind of course Quinn, Smith, John Beck, mmmmmm I guess I put him 4th.. Who am I not thinking of??? I know there is someone.

 

[notdam4]

I could only go by what I've seen with with my own eyes, he's tough, has patience, good blocker, great hands and did I mention he's really, really fast. And while i agree his schedule is fairly weak, since he started in the second half of the louisville game last year he has dominated in every game. In that span they have played some good teams included louisville twice, Georgia and Maryland. Did you also realize he is a true sophomore and is playing this year with a broken wrist that will need surgery after the season. I agree with Herbie awesome back, I put him no. 1 overall,

I'm not sure white will even get drafted, but he did get drafted in the 8th round of the MLB draft two yrs ago so i know he has an arm. I still say he is a college qb though similiar to Charlie Ward, but not as good. I put him 5 overall right now behind of course Quinn, Smith, John Beck, mmmmmm I guess I put him 4th.. Who am I not thinking of??? I know there is someone.

From what I've seen, Slaton definitely has pro speed.. and only a true sophomore?? He will be good in the league.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I'm through trying to convince people that WVU is a top 10 team.... To be honest I think their defense is pretty bad. But please would one person say they have one of the top 3backs and top 5 QB's in the country!! Just one person that's all I ask and I will never, ever bring up WVU again.

WVU is an average team...no better than that...but Slaton is quite good. He's one fast dude...I would love to have seen him as our 'Back.

Slaton is unquestionably a Top5 RB.

The QB top5? Not remotely. He might make a good RB though.

 

[Seymore]

Im not sold on them being top 10, however, I do think Slaton is one fast dude coupled with White. Id like to see them play Texas, or Auburn before putting them in the top 10 though.

 

[jiggafini19]

I think WVU is a very good team. I've seen them play on TV on 4 or 5 occasions.

The way Rich Rodriguez runs the spread offense makes Urban Meyer's version in Florida look like fingerpainting in preschool.

Slaton is a top five Heisman candidate, no question. Pat White is dangerous with his feet AND arm. They have an NFL fullback and a great offensive line.

This team can compete with anyone. Not sure if they'd beat them, but they'd compete.

 

[scooper]

The way Rich Rodriguez runs the spread offense makes Urban Meyer's version in Florida look like fingerpainting in preschool.

I would just like to quote this for the sake of emphasis. Jigg is right on with this.

Back to Slaton. He's very good, but if I could pluck one RB out of the Big East, it would be Ray Rice. I think he is more proven in a traditional offense. But this is not a knock on Slaton.

 

[jiggafini19]

Maybe Urban gets his own guys in a few years and it works better, but Pat White is far more versed at running the spread than that big dopey goof Tim Tebow. Tebow is big. We'll find out if he can pass next year.

If you're a small college or high school and want to know how to run the spread, head to Morgantown first. Stop by Gainesville for the weather.

 

[lattedatte]

The way Rich Rodriguez runs the spread offense makes Urban Meyer's version in Florida look like fingerpainting in preschool.QUOTE]

That is hilarious...

 

[brownkj002]

I think WVU is a very good team. I've seen them play on TV on 4 or 5 occasions.

The way Rich Rodriguez runs the spread offense makes Urban Meyer's version in Florida look like fingerpainting in preschool.

Slaton is a top five Heisman candidate, no question. Pat White is dangerous with his feet AND arm. They have an NFL fullback and a great offensive line.

This team can compete with anyone. Not sure if they'd beat them, but they'd compete.

I totally agree. I don't know why all the hate on WVU. I think they would give ND fits.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I totally agree. I don't know why all the hate on WVU. I think they would give ND fits.

I don't know about that. I think we handled the option fairly well and their passing game is not good. I would put money on ND big time for that game. We stuff the run and shut down their pass? Hell ya.

Quinn would light up that second rate defense for 400+ yards and 5 TDs.

 

[lattedatte]

I don't know about that. I think we handled the option fairly well and their passing game is not good. I would put money on ND big time for that game. We stuff the run and shut down their pass? Hell ya.

Quinn would light up that second rate defense for 400+ yards and 5 TDs.

48-40 ND.

 

[Irish Envy]

The problem is we can have this debate all night long and until the teams in that conference schedule legit out-of-conference opponents, it's going to be considered a joke when compared to the Big Ten, SEC, et al.

It's going to take getting snubbed by a big Bowl hopefully to get them to start scheduling legit games. I wouldn't care if it was service academies, the lower level ACC teams, what have you, just get legit foes on your schedule. Playing the Eastern Washingtons of the world just isn't going to get it done.

 

[lattedatte]

The problem is we can have this debate all night long and until the teams in that conference schedule legit out-of-conference opponents, it's going to be considered a joke when compared to the Big Ten, SEC, et al.

It's going to take getting snubbed by a big Bowl hopefully to get them to start scheduling legit games. I wouldn't care if it was service academies, the lower level ACC teams, what have you, just get legit foes on your schedule. Playing the Eastern Washingtons of the world just isn't going to get it done.

That's fine and I agree and they have... they have florida st, Auburn and Mich st on their schedule in 2008-2013. Plus East. Wash. was a fill in after Va Tech dodged them. If you look at WVU in the past and even last years bball schedule they never dodge teams, rather teams dodge them.

But that is all fine and dandy svo and i really don't want to debate WVU as a team. Like I said their d is pretty bad. You evaluate talent a lot. You honestly cannot tell me looking at a Slaton and White you don't see they are great players right now? I don't care what your thoughts are about the team in general and their schedule and their conference and their "couch burning" fans and hillbilly moonshine making state. Just look at those two and give me that and I'll be happy. That is what I started this thread on.

 

[Irish Envy]

It's not just WVU. It's the whole conference. It really, really hurt when all the top teams decided to head over to the ACC.

 

[luckofirish8]

Yeah, they're probably top 10. I'd say Slaton is top 4, behind Kenny Irons, Mike Hart, and Adrien Peterson (even if he is injured).

Yet, McFadden is better than everyone on this list except a healthy Peterson. Slaton is very good, probably Top 5...an easy lock for the Top 10. White is started to move up my broad of QB's, but I would like to see him do it against better defenses more often. I'm not saying that he can't, he just hasn't really gotten the opportunty yet. He has one against UGA last year, but that's it.

Earlier I said I refuse to say they are a Top 10 team, but having looked over the rankings again...I now feel like they are between 8-10. So, they are where they should be IMO. I do feel that any Top 25 team could defeat them on any given night. Eliminate as many big plays on their offense as you can, and score like heck on their defense (this is the easy part). Good Luck on stoping their offense.

 

[brownkj002]

I don't know about that. I think we handled the option fairly well and their passing game is not good. I would put money on ND big time for that game. We stuff the run and shut down their pass? Hell ya.

Quinn would light up that second rate defense for 400+ yards and 5 TDs.

ND hasn't seen an option this year with this kind of speed. WVU's offense is much better than Air Force and Navy. Pat White isn't a great passer but he is much better than Air Force and Navy's QB's. All I am saying is that it could go either way considering both offenses would put up huge numbers. If ND is a top 5 team then I think WVU is a top 10 team.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

ND hasn't seen an option this year with this kind of speed. WVU's offense is much better than Air Force and Navy. Pat White isn't a great passer but he is much better than Air Force and Navy's QB's. All I am saying is that it could go either way considering both offenses would put up huge numbers. If ND is a top 5 team then I think WVU is a top 10 team.

They are faster than the academies, it's true, but I still don't see a big issue with stopping the run. Our guys are bigger and faster than every team WVU plays. I just don't see WVU moving the ball that well against us.

Also, lets face it, every win they have had, the D-Lines they play against are pathetic.

 

[jiggafini19]

I look at the ACC and a lot of those teams don't excite me this year.

That Coastal division is a load of dung.

I think WVU is superior to the academies. White and Slaton were decent three star recruits that were being looked at as "athletes." The academies usually get lesser rated high school prospects than what WVU can pull from Ohio, PA, MD, FL, etc.

I think WVU's spread could cause ND's defense some trouble. Maybe we find out in January dependng on how things end up?

 

[lattedatte]

I look at the ACC and a lot of those teams don't excite me this year.

That Coastal division is a load of dung.

I think WVU is superior to the academies. White and Slaton were decent three star recruits that were being looked at as "athletes." The academies usually get lesser rated high school prospects than what WVU can pull from Ohio, PA, MD, FL, etc.

I think WVU's spread could cause ND's defense some trouble. Maybe we find out in January dependng on how things end up?

I agree Jigga. Comparing WVU's offense to the academies is a more extreme(but not as funny) comparison as florida's offense to finger painting. I leave it at that to be nice.

 

[lattedatte]

They are faster than the academies, it's true, but I still don't see a big issue with stopping the run. Our guys are bigger and faster than every team WVU plays. I just don't see WVU moving the ball that well against us.

Also, lets face it, every win they have had, the D-Lines they play against are pathetic.

I'll only reference one game in this case, last year's sugar bowl. I know, i know it was last year... but y isn't that a good reference. 1st WVU only lost 2 players off that offense, Ga. had 4 players drafted and I think two or three others sign with pro teams. If anything you would think they should improve on offense with all that coming back. So it is a good reference to use and they handled that d-line pretty good.