Most disappointing/overated ND player

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# 95 ABI.

Stats through 4 games.

Tackles 17
TFL 5.5
AND ONLY 2 SACKS!!!!!

vs. Purdue

Tackles 2
TFL 1
AND STILL ONLY 2 SACKS!!!!!

2nd most overated player in school history! He skates by from criticism becuase of the DB's. But this guy needs to take just as much blame for our pass defense. Pathetic.
 

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I want to say the entire OL. It has just been bad this year. Granted, they don't really have any subs to give them a breather.

I would also agree with Abiamiri though. I read in some publications that he may be a first round draft pick.
 

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how many pressures does he have? how many hurries does he have? Hoe many knock downs does he have? It is about more than simple stats like tackles and sacks you have to look at all he does to imapact the game!
 
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how many pressures does he have? how many hurries does he have? Hoe many knock downs does he have? It is about more than simple stats like tackles and sacks you have to look at all he does to imapact the game!

Those are good questions to ask of Chris Frome, too. I like the guy, as I think he puts in a lot of effort....but effort will only get you so far. Talent-wise, he's a Ty guy, work-ethic-wise, he's a Weis guy... So you end up with a middle of the road DE and that's just not good enough.

Honestly, I'd say the most dissappointing and overrated player on Notre Dame is......get ready.......Tom Zbikowski.

Everyone loves the guy and with plenty of reason. We all like the emotion he puts into the game, his work-ethic, and the fact that he's a bad-ass who everyone wants to root for.

But he's had a bad year and there's no getting around that. Is it a question of talent? No, I don't think so; the guy just needs to get more refined.

At times, I'd be willing to say the Shark is overrated also....but with the mood I'm in right now, I won't go that far, instead, I'll just say he's very inconsistent. He's shown he has the ability to make some sweet catches and do some things in the open field.. so it's not a question of talent... I don't know what's going on with him this year. Sometimes his routes are to blame, sometimes his effort (Michigan), sometimes his hands. The guy had great hands last year, but this year he seems to be making a lot of drops.
 
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Those are good questions to ask of Chris Frome, too. I like the guy, as I think he puts in a lot of effort....but effort will only get you so far. Talent-wise, he's a Ty guy, work-ethic-wise, he's a Weis guy... So you end up with a middle of the road DE and that's just not good enough.

Honestly, I'd say the most dissappointing and overrated player on Notre Dame is......get ready.......Tom Zbikowski.

Everyone loves the guy and with plenty of reason. We all like the emotion he puts into the game, his work-ethic, and the fact that he's a bad-ass who everyone wants to root for.

But he's had a bad year and there's no getting around that. Is it a question of talent? No, I don't think so; the guy just needs to get more refined.

At times, I'd be willing to say the Shark is overrated also....but with the mood I'm in right now, I won't go that far, instead, I'll just say he's very inconsistent. He's shown he has the ability to make some sweet catches and do some things in the open field.. so it's not a question of talent... I don't know what's going on with him this year. Sometimes his routes are to blame, sometimes his effort (Michigan), sometimes his hands. The guy had great hands last year, but this year he seems to be making a lot of drops.


I agree with you my Celtic friend...He has been overrated in many regards, and in another thread, someone had mentioned his special teams play...he is horrible as a safety...Make him a LB since he is great at stopping the run, but horrible in p-ass coverage...
 

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# 95 ABI.

Stats through 4 games.

Tackles 17
TFL 5.5
AND ONLY 2 SACKS!!!!!

vs. Purdue

Tackles 2
TFL 1
AND STILL ONLY 2 SACKS!!!!!

2nd most overated player in school history! He skates by from criticism becuase of the DB's. But this guy needs to take just as much blame for our pass defense. Pathetic.

I disagree. He plays like an animal and is consistently double-teamed. The question lies in why is there no other good pass rusher.
 

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Abiamiri may not have the best numbers, but he has looked very dominant so far...even though he has been going up against some pretty damn good tackles. He hasn't had a lot of sacks, but he has a ton of QB pressures and many of those have led to bad throws. I still believe he will be a first day draft pick...but no way is he a 1st rounder.

I think the most overrated player so far had been Ryan Harris. It seems like he gets called for holding every game and he has been beaten badly each of thepast 3 games...repeatedly. After his freshman year, I was really expecting more, but he has been average every year since.
 

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abiamiri=game changer. however, i agree he could do much better as far as the more important stats go. he rushes teh passer well, but definately needs a few more sacks to be legit for the next level
 

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how many pressures does he have? how many hurries does he have? Hoe many knock downs does he have? It is about more than simple stats like tackles and sacks you have to look at all he does to imapact the game!

not enough for a 5 star, pre-season all-american, I watch this kid on almost every play... He rarely gets double teamed and he doesn't have a lot of knock downs. I have a sickness, I know. But I'm a big steelers fan and I do the same thing with the most "overated lb" in the NFL, Joey Porter.
 

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Gotta go with the Shark, as much as I love him. Even last year, he fought through a lot of double-teams to make fantastic catches. Now it seems like he's going through the motions. But, I have to agree with most of you, OL is a very close second.
 

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I agree with Shark...he's just not blocking anymore and seems to very worried about taking a hit.
 

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The starting D line is small. None of them are 300 pounders. Ditto on the o line.

For me, so far after one month/5 games it is Tom Zbikowski. Abiarmiri might not have bunches of sacks, but how many picks does Zbikowski have?

Lately all of the sudden he's missing tackles, fumbling punts. Not good. Is he hurting? Distracted?

Jeff Samardzija is no longer a secret. Everyone knows who he is and D coordinators can spell his name. He's accounted for the way ND's opposing WR are not.

With constant covreage and harrassment.
 

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The starting D line is small. None of them are 300 pounders. Ditto on the o line.

For me, so far after one month/5 games it is Tom Zbikowski. Abiarmiri might not have bunches of sacks, but how many picks does Zbikowski have?

Lately all of the sudden he's missing tackles, fumbling punts. Not good. Is he hurting? Distracted?

Jeff Samardzija is no longer a secret. Everyone knows who he is and D coordinators can spell his name. He's accounted for the way ND's opposing WR are not.

With constant covreage and harrassment.

All good pts jiggs, I now have an entry for my most overated player, zibby becuase I just looked over at Kiper's BIG BOARD at zibby is slated to be drafted at 13th... crazy!!!

BTW brady is still at 1 and shark at 12... ABI has been taken off..
 
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I don't think Zibby has lived up to his full potential. He's dropped some returns and hasn't had one return for a touchdown yet.
 

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I don't think Zibby has lived up to his full potential. He's dropped some returns and hasn't had one return for a touchdown yet.


I'll take the argument that he hasn't lived up to his potential. blown coverages, terrible running lanes, doesn't wrap up, dropped punts.
However, you make it sound like returning punts for touchdowns is supposed to be easy? He'll improve, Even as soon as the next game I'll bet.
 
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Most disappointing - Ronald Talley, Anthony Vernaglia, Dwight Stephenson Jr. Take your pick.
Most overated - Brady Quinn.

Prediction: Brady Quinn will not play a regular season down in the NFL. Hello NFL Europe.
 

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Most disappointing - Ronald Talley, Anthony Vernaglia, Dwight Stephenson Jr. Take your pick.
Most overated - Brady Quinn.

Prediction: Brady Quinn will not play a regular season down in the NFL. Hello NFL Europe.

What! I usually agree with many of your posts. But Quinn will be a star in the NFL. He has the fundamentals down, strong arm, accurate throws, and can pick up the 2nd or 3rd wide receiver when the first option is not available.

The problem is with the offensive line that is giving him very little protection. The O-Line finally played well against Purdue, and Brady had great numbers. You also have to factor that we had something of a running game for the first time against Purdue. In the previous games, without a running game, we were so one dimensional and everyone keyed on Brady.

I personally am already pre-ordering my Raiders jersey with BQs #10 on it.
 

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Most disappointing - Ronald Talley, Anthony Vernaglia, Dwight Stephenson Jr. Take your pick.
Most overated - Brady Quinn.

Prediction: Brady Quinn will not play a regular season down in the NFL. Hello NFL Europe.

I'm not sure Quinn will be a "star" yet, but you gotta admit that's kinda ridiculous saying he won't play a regular season down and he'll go to NFL Europe. I mean, the kid's gonna be at worst a late 1st round draft pick, so you gotta think he'll get the chance to start somewhere before its all said and done.
 
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I'm not sure Quinn will be a "star" yet, but you gotta admit that's kinda ridiculous saying he won't play a regular season down and he'll go to NFL Europe. I mean, the kid's gonna be at worst a late 1st round draft pick, so you gotta think he'll get the chance to start somewhere before its all said and done.

I think Quinn will have a tough time in the NFL....why? Because he'll be heading for the shittiest team in the league.

But if that team has a decent offensive line, I could be wrong---I hope I am.
 

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I think Oakland will take Troy Smith. Call me crazy, but he is more Al Davis' speed.
 
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Quinn will be a star in the NFL. He has the fundamentals down, strong arm, accurate throws, and can pick up the 2nd or 3rd wide receiver when the first option is not available.

The problem is with the offensive line that is giving him very little protection. The O-Line finally played well against Purdue, and Brady had great numbers. You also have to factor that we had something of a running game for the first time against Purdue. In the previous games, without a running game, we were so one dimensional and everyone keyed on Brady.

I personally am already pre-ordering my Raiders jersey with BQs #10 on it.

I'm not sure Quinn will be a "star" yet, but you gotta admit that's kinda ridiculous saying he won't play a regular season down and he'll go to NFL Europe. I mean, the kid's gonna be at worst a late 1st round draft pick, so you gotta think he'll get the chance to start somewhere before its all said and done.

Nothing and I mean nothing pains me more than this negative feeling I have about our Brady.
Believe me I like him. I think he has great skills and outstanding football qualities. I wish I didn't feel this way.
I've tried to shake it, tried to look at all the reasons why I might be wrong but the doubts about him just won't leave me.

He's got every tool that the pros covet.
Ideal size.
Great strength.
Strong arm.
Good vision.
Good mechanics.
Good recognition skills. Audibles out of bad plays when the defense show itself.
Smart. To digest Charlie's playbook, you have to be.
Calm in the clutch. See Stanford last year and MSU this year.

Unfortunately, for me, it all comes back to accuracy.
All of the above positive traits don't add up to a hill of beans if at the very end of each pass play, you cannot deliver the ball on target.
What's even more disconcerting is that I don't see improvement at all in this area.

On out-patterns of 5-12 yards, he erratic. He's either throws it way out in front of his receiver (uncatchable) or low (catchable, but no YAC).
On deep sideline routes, he's basically throwing jump balls.
On middle of the field, mid and deep, seam routes (and granted this is probably his best ball, see Carlson's catches) he's only fifty-fifty and his touch is questionable. I won't even go into the fact that on some of these routes, he's thrown into double and even triple coverage on plenty of occasions.
On flairs and screens to Darius, throws of now more than 15 feet mind you, he does not consistently hit #3 in front so that Darius can keep his shoulders square and his eyes downfield.
And finally, on crossing patterns, usually to Jeff and usually under 7 yards from the line of scrimmage he consistently throws back shoulder balls. I've convinced myself that this is the ball that pisses Jeff off more than any other. Because this is a dangerous ball to throw (interceptions) and really dangerous for Jeff to catch without hearing footsteps and potentially getting lit up by some lurking defender. Seriously, you'll often see pros apologize to their receiver if they ever mistakenly throw behind a receiver on a crossing route. You're talking about concussions, broken ribs, or worse with throws like that.

I keep waiting for improvement and I really hope it comes but I haven't seen it yet.
Imagine the magnitude of his erratic consistency at the next level where the speed of play is exponentially higher than what he's seeing in front of him now.

I hope he gets in a rythm over these next four or five games and heads to SoCal at the top of his game. Because if does find some consistency with his accuracy, he'd be all world.
 

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I've heard he'll go second round/late 1st.....which sounds kind of strange considering he's the front-runner for the heisman.

Hey, Jason White won the darn thing and didn't even get drafted. Its weird, but winning a Heisman really has nothing to do w/ draft status anymore.
 

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1. Shark. Shys away from contact and drops some balls that he shouldn't. I am not sold on his route running either. Blocking is nothing to write home about.
2. Zibby. He has been brutal this year. Needs to start wrapping up when tackling. Those things called arms help to bring down ball carriers. And a fair catch every so often wouldn't kill him.
3. O-line. Hopefully they will mold into a decent unit by USC.
 
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Brady has struggled with accuracy. I watched Rhema look at him a couple times like What the Fu%K when quinn threw it to his back shoulder against Purdue.
 
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