Most despicable coaches

[Domer95]

(despicable or just plain HATE)

OK, guys. We're thru LOID and came out without a scratch. We've seen MOST of the recruiting shenanigans and underhandedness (ahem...URB...paging URB). Since rankings and such seem to be the hot topic right now and Jigga seems to be blowing a gasket AND ND's bball team is causing ND Nation apoplexy, Let's put our collective bile together and rank the most rank (current) College Football Coaches. I'm curious to see your lists...

(*Pig Face Satan, aka Jimmy Johnson, Dennis Erickson, Jackie Sherril, Boob Davie, Fritz Crysler, Fielding Yost and DUM-Bo are already enshrined)

1. the Urban Myth
2. Steve Superior
3. Poodle
4. C. McSweatervest
5. Void Carr
6. Bobby Bowden
7. F. Beamer -- from this year's ALLEGEDLY telling recruits "Don't go to ND, as they don't treat black people good there. Look at Ty-ger"...and the 'loose' leash on "New Mexico" (M Vick)
8. B. Petrino
10. Ty-ger

 

[SuperBowlIVBaby]

1. the Urban Myth/Mike Krzyzewski (two biggest cry babies in sports now that Vermeil is gone!)
2. Any UMiami coach (aka Jimmy Johnson)
3. Steve Superior
4. Void Carr
5. C. McSweatervest
6. Crack Brown
7. Ty Wronge
8. Bob Davie
9. Joe Tiller
10. CUM (Coach Urban Meyer) For final emphasis! Redundant but necessary!

 

[KMac151993]

Yea I am surprised that Tiller didn't make that list or at least higher on it.

 

[absoluteirish59]

I actually like beamer, but the rest of them are definetily garbage.

 

[bmf175]

Should be buried in the field
1. Willingham
2. Bowden Wins games so he is good at that but he is one SHADEY character.
3. McSweatervest
4. Urban Meyer
5. Loyd Carr

Should be carried off the field
1. Weis
2. Shula
3. Richter (UGA)
4. Tedford
5. Boise State now Colorado (forget his name right now)
6. ANd of course Joe Pa ( Dont care much for PSU but gotta show respect for their coach)

 

[irishwavend]

I think the list is a lil off. When you say despicable, I think cheater or unethical. Here we go:
1. Ed Orgeron
2. Dennis Erickson
3. Lloyd Carr (Liar)
4. Pete Carroll
5. Jim Tressel
6. Chuck Amato
7. Urban Meyer
8. Phil Fulmer
9. Steve Spurrier
10. Ty Willingham (to rob your kids' talent is shameful)

 

[Aerosmith777]

I think the list is a lil off. When you say despicable, I think cheater or unethical. Here we go:
1. Ed Orgeron
2. Dennis Erickson
3. Lloyd Carr (Liar)
4. Pete Carroll
5. Jim Tressel
6. Chuck Amato
7. Urban Meyer
8. Phil Fulmer
9. Steve Spurrier
10. Ty Willingham (to rob your kids' talent is shameful)

I'd agree w/ that. I don't think you should put coaches who don't break/bend the rules too much or let their star players off the hook when they screw up in life, on a list of "despicable" coaches just because we all hate them. With that in mind:

1. Jim Tressel
2. Jim Tressel
3. Jim Tressel.
4. See 1-3
5. Dennis Erickson
6. Urban Meyer
7. Pete Carroll
8. Gary Barnett
9. Hal Mumme (Hows that for crawling out from underneath the rock of obscurity?)
10. Did I mention Jim Tressel?

As much as I'd love to put that loser Willingham on here, I can't. If nothing else, he does run a clean program (albeit a wildly inconsistent one on the field) and I can't put him up there w/ the likes of Tressel and Meyer in this category.

 

[TexasDomer]

He writes fearing condemnation...

Besides OSU beating us in the Fiesta Bowl, can someone explain why Tressel is so despised? I don't live in the Midwest anymore, so I don't know of any controversies regarding him.

 

[BigIrish]

scandal seems to have followed tressel from program to program, but to my knowledge, he's never been directly implicated in any of them.

 

[TheRocket]

He writes fearing condemnation...
Besides OSU beating us in the Fiesta Bowl, can someone explain why Tressel is so despised? I don't live in the Midwest anymore, so I don't know of any controversies regarding him.

Do a Google search hfor "Tressel" and "Youngstown State." Or "Tressel", "Ohio State" and "Escalade."

This post at EDSBS has to be one of their funniest of all time:
JIM TRESSEL RULZ IN NE OHIO

 

[Aerosmith777]

scandal seems to have followed tressel from program to program, but to my knowledge, he's never been directly implicated in any of them.

Where there's that much smoke, there's fire....

and for the record, I disliked Tressel long before the Fiesta Bowl.

 

[BigIrish]

of course. i'd agree with that. the fact that he's never been implicated doesn't exonerate him from guilt. it only means he's been clever enough to avoid being caught. the fact that there's been scandals at each of his coaching stops is more than mere coincidence.

 

[TexasDomer]

Besides the EDSBS link, is there anything in mainstream media linking Tressel to recruiting violations?

Where there's smoke, there can also be innuendo from competitors, rather than fire.

 

[jiggafini19]

Carr and Bowden top my list. Beamer is now carrying a bronze medal. I don't like Carroll and John L. Smith. Throw Urban in there for good measure.

Paterno, Mack Brown, Rich Rodriguez, Richt and Pat Hill are all favorites.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Besides the EDSBS link, is there anything in mainstream media linking Tressel to recruiting violations?
Where there's smoke, there can also be innuendo from competitors, rather than fire.

its not about actual links, its just that recruiting violations, and NCAA violations in general, have occured at all his stops, and usually a plethora of them. I'm sorry, but if a head coach has that many violations occur at his program, he's responsable if for nothing else than hiring extremely underhanded assistants who do the dirty work of the violations, and for not shielding his team better from boosters. That's the thing, competitors don't have to make up "innuendos" w/ Tressel, the scandals happen and are real. After awhile, the fact that he might never have been implacated in them becomes a bit trivial. To me, it falls under the same category of Barry Bonds professing, "I never knowingly took steroids," O.J. saying he didn't do it, or a mafia don who can't be connected to the crimes of his hitmen. Maybe you can't prove the connection in a court of law, but in the court of public opinion at some point believing he's not guilty becomes a bit irrational.

 

[TexasDomer]

Aero,

If true, then this reflects on Holtz, too, given what we heard about Minnesota, the probation we had at ND that happened on his watch (though Davie had to deal with it), and then the later stuff at S. Carolina.

 

[OSU_Fan14]

its not about actual links, its just that recruiting violations, and NCAA violations in general, have occured at all his stops, and usually a plethora of them. I'm sorry, but if a head coach has that many violations occur at his program, he's responsable if for nothing else than hiring extremely underhanded assistants who do the dirty work of the violations, and for not shielding his team better from boosters. That's the thing, competitors don't have to make up "innuendos" w/ Tressel, the scandals happen and are real. After awhile, the fact that he might never have been implacated in them becomes a bit trivial. To me, it falls under the same category of Barry Bonds professing, "I never knowingly took steroids," O.J. saying he didn't do it, or a mafia don who can't be connected to the crimes of his hitmen. Maybe in a cyou can't prove the connection ourt of law, but in the court of public opinion at some point believing he's not guilty becomes a bit irrational.

what recruiting violations? what NCAA violations? And "many" violations have occured? i guess you must be an NCAA violations club insider, you know, stuff that nobody else knows about. Who are the "extremely underhand assistants that do the dirty work"? can you even name an assistant on the OSU coaching staff off the top of your head? What coach can shield their players from every booster? Coaches arent the kids babysitters, they dont control what they do on their own time.

 

[irishwavend]

Ha...Coaches aren't kids babysitters...Sounds like a typical state school fan. RPN got a drunk driving citation so he didnt play the rest of the year. Tressel wouldnt do that, because he has no principles. And...Tressel is notorious for being underhanded. Just because it doesnt show up in the newspaper doesnt mean it doesnt show up among the network of HS coaches.

 

[OSU_Fan14]

Ha...Coaches aren't kids babysitters...Sounds like a typical state school fan. RPN got a drunk driving citation so he didnt play the rest of the year. Tressel wouldnt do that, because he has no principles. And...Tressel is notorious for being underhanded. Just because it doesnt show up in the newspaper doesnt mean it doesnt show up among the network of HS coaches.

what do you mean "typical state school fan". that has nothing to do with it. And you would be the one to know that Tressel has no principles, right? The reason Tressel hasnt done that is that his players rarely get in trouble. When they do, he suspends them for the appropriate amount of time.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Who are the "extremely underhand assistants that do the dirty work"? can you even name an assistant on the OSU coaching staff off the top of your head? What coach can shield their players from every booster? Coaches arent the kids babysitters, they dont control what they do on their own time.

I never said it was the assistant coaches, I was just throwing that out there since the other poster wanted to make a point that Tressel has never actually been implicated in any of the shady dealings that have followed him around from stop to stop. And if you want a list of them, go to Google and type in the words "Jim Tressel" and "violation." You'll get a list about a mile long.

And to say that college coaches aren't responsable for their players is the typical state school fan response. This isn't the NFL, these aren't adults we're talking about here. They're 18-22 years-olds. Its one thing when its a head coach like Mike Tice saying he's not responsible for what his players do off the field, its another when its a college coach. You ever notice that some coaches always seem to have a ton of players that get caught up in off-field scandals (Tressel, Fulmer, Bowden), while others rarely do (Weis, Paterno, Ferentz)? You think that's a coincidence? Its not, its b/c when those coaches have a kid that gets in trouble, they get disciplined. Powers-Neal got a DWI this year and was thrown off the team. You think that would've happened at OSU? Hell no. He would have been benched for exactly 1 game (and it would probably have been a game against San Diego State or Indiana at that) and then would have been let back on the team w/ open arms. That's the difference.

And to the other poster, yes I do realize this reflects on Holtz as well & I admit that. I love Lou just about much as the next ND fan, but he has had some shadiness follow him around from stop to stop. Comparatively speaking I don't think its nearly as much as some other guys in the NCAA, but that's no excuse, especially at Notre Dame. Would I put him in Tressel's category for underhandedness? Of course not. But would I put him in Paterno's on this issue? Probably not either.

 

[maison bleu]

I disagreee with the idea that fans of private universities are somehow superior to those of public universities, that there's any such thing as a "typical state school fan."
For one thing, of the three institutions Aerosmith777 holds up as examples of pious purity, one is ND (completely predictable in this forum) and the other two are PUBLIC schools: Iowa (Ferentz) & Penn State (Paterno)...
And while there are a few holier-than-thou NDs and BYUs among the private schools, there are also private schools that are football factories in the Ohio State or Tennessee mold. Ever heard of USC? The "U" of Miami?
Neither private schools, or their fans, have any kind of superiority.

 

[VictorsValiant]

This thread is absolutely amazing in its arrogance. What, are you fighting back everyone's hatred of ND with baseless charges and accusations. Hurling insults back and forth like a hot patato. Save a couple of sane people on this board, why don't the rest of you back up your claims. Maybe add a sentence or two to explain your decisions. You people want to kick me off this board? Why don't you guys read what you've written? "Buried on the field." I guess that allowable, but my reasoned comments aren't. I've never seen anything like this. You guys are worse than OSU. Unchecked arrogance leads to bad things, people. Most of you need to get a life.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

"You guys are worse than OSU. Unchecked arrogance leads to bad things, people. Most of you need to get a life."
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Spoken like a true expert on the topic...
You're good, Skunkbear...real good...
Good for me to poop on!!!

P.S. Glad to see LLLLLLoyd land Kates...Here's his recruiting video below...looks like he's got the little directional arrows down...now for those pesky lineman...

You Stay Classy, Ann Arbor

 

[irishwavend]

Most of you need to get a life.

?? Who is the Michigan idiot on a Notre Dame board? At least I can say I don't go to rivals' boards to talk about stuff. Hey, remember those four guys accused of rape by an overly Catholic girl who got just a little too drunk and did things she later regretted? While given a not guilty verdict, all of them were kicked off the team and out of school for sexual misconduct. Show me a school in this country that would do that. And, I will give you a bit more arrogance. Our players actually go to school to get an education, not as purely a stepping stone to the NFL or not as pawns for coaches to use and then forget about after they are done playing ball. Let's talk graduation rates among football players at D-1 schools and we will see which if not 99% of coaches are not doing enough babysitting to care about their players' futures off the field. It's like working for a CEO of most major companies, though, right? Use them for your purpose and then forget about them. So I apologize...those 99% of coaches are just getting their players ready for the real world where they will be used for what they are worth and then dumped once they don't have any use anymore. Tennessee's ex-star receiver, Jermaine Copeland....Janitor. Good job, Phil! Show me your grad rates for football players OSU, Michigan...Hell, any other school for that matter. We can be arrogant because our players are flat out better people than yours when they get done with school, and you can take that to the bank, BIATCH!

 

[jiggafini19]

Carr and Bowden top my list. Beamer is now carrying a bronze medal. I don't like Carroll and John L. Smith. Throw Urban in there for good measure.
Paterno, Mack Brown, Rich Rodriguez, Richt and Pat Hill are all favorites.

Lloyd Carr: If he spent as much time coaching his players as he does crying to the officials, I can only imagine where he'd be right now. You won't find more of a sore loser when it comes to the head coach, postgame handshake. He has an @sshole personality and it is wearing thin on some of the people up North.

Bobby Bowden: Well, where should I begin here? Let's see, the Foot Locker shopping spree of 1993. Peter Warrick, 1999. His players stomping on the logo of opposing teams during road games as a pre-game ritual, one that has caused a few pre game brawls. AJ Nicholson having to be subdued...by police....with a f*cking taser. Ernie Sims, arrested. Chris Rix....he's a thread all to himself. And who can forget Adrian McPherson. All of this happened to players HE recruited while HE was coach. But he keeps winning.

Frank Beamer: He's working his way into Miami/Florida State/Barry Switzer Oklahoma Land...and very soon. Players living in subsidized housing. Way to go. Marcus Vick and his X-th number of chances. Give this one a few more years. This guy is really on the rise.

Pete Carroll: I can't decide if he's a type A personality or a used car salesman. He threw Mike Williams under the bus, and Williams was NOT Maurice Clarett. He should teach his players not to celebrate before the game is over, especially against Vince Young. Could probably care less if his players graduate or not. When was the last time a parent wouldn't sign his son's letter of intent because he was skeptical about the program? It just occured last week and SC was involved.

John L. Smith: Hasn't been big time long enough, and it shows. Flames his players and coaching staff in the press OPENLY without much innuendo. Real classy. Keep it in house bozo. You're not perfect either.

Urban Meyer: I think most people are over him, but he sure does have an obsession with Notre Dame. Bob Davie has seemingly buried the hatchet. GET OVER IT. You think you're going to win an NC at Florida sooner than anywhere else? Guess again. 8 SEC games, plus Florida State, plus a stupid championship game...good luck. He made his choice, yet still talks sh*t about ND every chance he gets. Urban Meyer stuck it to Notre Dame because he has an ax to grind for Bob Davie.

Just like people an come out here and waste my time with threads about ND's recruiting class that show absolutely no knowledge of what kind of players ND has, we're talking about college football coaches we don't like. EVERY fanbase of EVERY school is arrogant. So get over it.

This should be enough tangible, viable information for you to decipher my opinions. And these are just current coaches.

Want to talk about Barry Switzer, Jackie Sherrill, John Cooper, Jimmy Johnson and the biggest rat of them all Dennis Erickson? I also have positive and negative feedback about Michigan's recruiting class rather than bozo bullsh*t remarks that are totally inaccurate, should we care to discuss that as well.

I'm game.

 

[maison bleu]

I agree with VV, this thread is unbelievably arrogant, especially from fans of a school whose previous four coaching hires are:
Lou Holtz, a man who's had a few problems with the rules himself and had to lower NDs standards to win...
Bob Davie--no comment needed
George "The Resume" O'Leary
Ty Willingham--no comment needed
After all the girly, drama-queen bitching surrounding these hirings and firings, after getting publically jilted by Urban, ND finally lucks into what seems, after one year, to be a good hire. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
For the first time in a decade, you can't spit bile on your own coach, so you have to dis other programs' coaches.
Nice.

 

[Domer95]

Thanks Jigga for getting the intent of the thread. With all of the lists/rankings recently for recruiting and the subtle AND not-so-subtle (AHEM...Urban Myth....) recruiting 'tactics', I thought it would be a good exercise to see varied opinions that the IrishEnvy Nation had on said coaches...

It was merely to stir discussion and not meant as some 'holier than thou' pious private superiority rant.

If our scUM friends have a problem with more of their coaches being mentioned than those of Da U, they only have Yost/Crisler, et. al to thank for refusing to play us and admit us to the Big 1?/Televen/Interger.

Seriously, much thanks for the block, as I'll take what ND has accomplished since then.

 

[jiggafini19]

OFF the field, Willingham and Davie weren't bad guys.

The skeletons have come out of Holtz's closet and I will always believe that there was more than meets the eye with his departure. Much of Dunbargate occured while he was coach, but it became public after he was gone while Davie was in charge.

You think SEC fans don't spew venom at each other's coaches? Guess again. Phil Fulmer...public enemy number one right now. I wouldn't give a squirt of the piss my heart pumps for Urban Meyer to have one ounce of Fulmer's reputation right now. Tennessee Football should have their own episode of COPS. And Kentucky? Talk about a mess.

Florida fans hate Spurrier now more than ever, and they appear obessed with Illinois (Zook) and Iowa (recent bowl matches). It is a college football right of passage to dislike other teams and their coaches. It gives the sport a passion that the NFL lacks because of turnover.

I guarantee if Jim Tressel were on fire, no one in Ann Arbor would piss on him. But if he wasn't on fire, they would.

 

[BigIrish]

I agree with VV, this thread is unbelievably arrogant, especially from fans of a school whose previous four coaching hires are:
Lou Holtz, a man who's had a few problems with the rules himself and had to lower NDs standards to win...
Bob Davie--no comment needed
George "The Resume" O'Leary
Ty Willingham--no comment needed
After all the girly, drama-queen bitching surrounding these hirings and firings, after getting publically jilted by Urban, ND finally lucks into what seems, after one year, to be a good hire. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
For the first time in a decade, you can't spit bile on your own coach, so you have to dis other programs' coaches.
Nice.

let me get this straight - you're indicting ND and it's coaching hires based on 1) the unfounded speculation that holtz broke the rules at ND and 2) the alarmingly insightful "no comment needed" rationale, and 3) a coach who lied and was immediately dismissed from the university?

well played, MB, well played....

i find it laughable that two u-m fans are coming to an irish board in defense of such obviously questionable head coaches. anybody remember how carr got his job? he was promoted from within after moeller got in a drunken altercation with a restaurant staff and eventually, the police.

the hypocrisy from our u-m fans is tremendous. anyone who lives in michigan and follows u-m football have long heard the "fire lloyd carr" war drums pulled out after every u-m loss for the past 5 years.

spitting bile on your own coach. ha. that's great.

 

[irishnd31]

I agree with VV, this thread is unbelievably arrogant, especially from fans of a school whose previous four coaching hires are:
Lou Holtz, a man who's had a few problems with the rules himself and had to lower NDs standards to win...
Bob Davie--no comment needed
George "The Resume" O'Leary
Ty Willingham--no comment needed
After all the girly, drama-queen bitching surrounding these hirings and firings, after getting publically jilted by Urban, ND finally lucks into what seems, after one year, to be a good hire. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
For the first time in a decade, you can't spit bile on your own coach, so you have to dis other programs' coaches.
Nice.

Yeah, that O Leary Multi-hour coaching tenure demands mentioning. If I'm not mistaken, he was let go after finding out that he had fabricated info. on a resume. ND dealt with the issue.