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[Golden_Domer88]

Ok yes we all know what Martin Luther King has done for all the "African-Americans" but enough is enough. Im not racist nor dumb, but who else has a day named after him/her? Other than presidents day, theres no other White or Black people that have a national day named after him/her? So why is it such a big deal every year, all over the TV and media, of what happend more than 30 years ago.

Sorry if I offended somebody on this board but I had to get it off my chest.

 

[Steve]

Columbus Day

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Columbus Day

And we all know how that ended for the residents at the time.

 

[ACamp1900]

It's all prespective, we all live in this country and I expect African American's to be able to understand and support my culture and heritage without recourse in this country... they should expect the same from us... MLK was a great man, one HELL of a writer too if you ever get the chance

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Ok yes we all know what Martin Luther King has done for all the "African-Americans" but enough is enough. Im not racist nor dumb, but who else has a day named after him/her? Other than presidents day, theres no other White or Black people that have a national day named after him/her? So why is it such a big deal every year, all over the TV and media, of what happend more than 30 years ago.

Sorry if I offended somebody on this board but I had to get it off my chest.

Not offended...but then I guess I wonder who else is deserving? Who else led their people to political and legal equality?

Elizabeth Cady Stanton or Susan B Anthony? I could see that. They both helped lead the women's suffrage movement.

But let's face it, who else is really deserving that has not been called out already?

Whites are not oppressed, nor have been. The Indians were simply killed and few remain. They never had a leader that gave them equality...

I just can't think of any one person who earned it...

 

[ACamp1900]

Not offended...but then I guess I wonder who else is deserving? Who else led their people to political and legal equality?

Elizabeth Cady Stanton or Susan B Anthony? I could see that. They both helped lead the women's suffrage movement.

But let's face it, who else is really deserving that has not been called out already?

Whites are not oppressed, nor have been. The Indians were simply killed and few remain. They never had a leader that gave them equality...

I just can't think of any one person who earned it...

fair to say this is a false generalization

 

[GoshenGipper]

Yeah, I was denied a transfer at my old job simply becuse I wasn't mexican/don't speak Spanish. That's not really opression, but it still ticked me off. Then to top it all off instead of offering English classes for the non-english speaking employees, they offered Spanish classes for the non-spanish speaking employees.

 

[kjones]

The irish (who are white) have never been oppressed? Or how about any of the original colonists. Does anyone remember the left to find religious freedom from persecution? Or how about Eastern Europeans under Nazi Germany, who were enslaved and all their intellectuals and leaders purged. One could also make a great case that Russian were oppressed under Stalin and almost all others of the Communist regime. They were almost all used as "slaves" and he butchered almost 20 million of them.

I agree with what you think you meant, that whites as a whole and in this country, have not been oppressed to the same extent as blacks by a long margin, but you should still be careful not to make broad generalizations like that that are not true. That being said, MLK is the man, and I agree with those above who said, "who else could be chosen?"

 

[ACamp1900]

Yeah, I was denied a transfer at my old job simply becuse I wasn't mexican/don't speak Spanish. That's not really opression, but it still ticked me off. Then to top it all off instead of offering English classes for the non-english speaking employees, they offered Spanish classes for the non-spanish speaking employees.

I've been fired from a job b/c the MANAGER couldn't speak english and I couldn't understand what the duties and expectations are and such... now if that isn't ass backwards... whatever... I was speaking on more historic terms but it goes across the ages depending... but that is for another thread

 

[ACamp1900]

The irish (who are white) have never been oppressed? Or how about any of the original colonists. Does anyone remember the left to find religious freedom from persecution? Or how about Eastern Europeans under Nazi Germany, who were enslaved and all their intellectuals and leaders purged. One could also make a great case that Russian were oppressed under Stalin and almost all others of the Communist regime. They were almost all used as "slaves" and he butchered almost 20 million of them.

I agree with what you think you meant, that whites as a whole and in this country, have not been oppressed to the same extent as blacks by a long margin, but you should still be careful not to make broad generalizations like that that are not true. That being said, MLK is the man, and I agree with those above who said, "who else could be chosen?"

that was where I was going... somewhat anyway, but for another thread...

happy MLK day

 

[Steve]

i need to get this off my chest guys...



...wtf is up with that damn groundhog. no other animal has it's own holiday. what makes a groundhog so special. MAN.

 

[ACamp1900]

Lol

 

[ACamp1900]

I myself always wanted a "pussy day"

<<<<<<<

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

fair to say this is a false generalization

Not really...some sub groups caught crap in certain areas for their background of being Irish/Italian/German/Etc. But Whites as a whole were not and are not oppressed in the US.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

The irish (who are white) have never been oppressed? Or how about any of the original colonists. Does anyone remember the left to find religious freedom from persecution? Or how about Eastern Europeans under Nazi Germany, who were enslaved and all their intellectuals and leaders purged. One could also make a great case that Russian were oppressed under Stalin and almost all others of the Communist regime. They were almost all used as "slaves" and he butchered almost 20 million of them.

Sub-groups have had oppression issues:
Mormons
Catholics
Irish
Italians
Germans

But none in the same way or extent as Blacks.

If you want to talk OUTSIDE of the USA, there are more examples of oppression, no doubt. But of course the US only celebrates National Holidays and 1 or 2 Christian Holidays.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

i need to get this off my chest guys...



...wtf is up with that damn groundhog. no other animal has it's own holiday. what makes a groundhog so special. MAN.

Careful, you don't want to be labeled as species-ist.

 

[leprechaun4life]

Careful, you don't want to be labeled as species-ist.

Yeah, that's a big one. I heard that in Canada you can't refer to your husband or your wife, you have to call them your spouse. But, I think that was for another reason..... with men

 

[Clausen2Kamara]

I think MLK was one of the most bravest men to ever live. He stood up for what he thought was right and was not afraid of the consequences. I'm sure many afric. amer did the same thing before him but he was relentless. He preached and got ppl acroos the country to believe what was going on was wrong. We were the last country to abolish slavery and I being white am very ashamed. W/O MLK of Lincoln, we'd be the most hated country in the world, not like we are 2 far off already.

 

[Clausen2Kamara]

i need to get this off my chest guys...



...wtf is up with that damn groundhog. no other animal has it's own holiday. what makes a groundhog so special. MAN.

Couldn't agree more Steve!

 

[Zephyr]

I think MLK was one of the most bravest men to ever live. He stood up for what he thought was right and was not afraid of the consequences. I'm sure many afric. amer did the same thing before him but he was relentless. He preached and got ppl acroos the country to believe what was going on was wrong. We were the last country to abolish slavery and I being white am very ashamed. W/O MLK of Lincoln, we'd be the most hated country in the world, not like we are 2 far off already.

I agree with you... MLK not only got change for his people he changed this country as well... He more than deserves a day of rememberance... MLK was a true American...

 

[ACamp1900]

Not really...some sub groups caught crap in certain areas for their background of being Irish/Italian/German/Etc. But Whites as a whole were not and are not oppressed in the US.

LMI, you are my guy, but I respectfully disagree...were there not whites slaves? Were there not race riots against white minority groups? Even today the last generation of whites, my own aunt for example who was valadictorian of her high school, couldn't get basic school or employment opportunities due to race, that is oppression defined is it not? Do whites have the same freedom of speech as other groups today, DESPITE their background? Oppression is oppression no matter what the extent... no?

Now if your point is it's been to a less degree then you have a point but to say it hasn't occured simply because no one now talks about it?

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

LMI, you are my guy, but I respectfully disagree...were there not whites slaves? Were there not race riots against white minority groups? Even today the last generation of whites, my own aunt for example who was valadictorian of her high school, couldn't get basic school or employment opportunities due to race, that is oppression defined is it not? Do whites have teh same freedom of speech as other groups today, DESPITE their background? Oppression is oppression no matter what the extent... no?

No, there were not white slaves.

No, there were not race riots against White minority groups.

There is a fable that whites can't get into good schools and such for non-white race students, but when you look at the numbers it's simply not true. Whites far exceed blacks in college admissions...far beyond their numbers. (it's a 9:1 ratio in America) You are far more likely to get into the best grad schools than the average black student.

Notre Dame is a great example. 11% of US Citizens are black, 4% are black at ND.

Minority Breakdown
4% African American, 6% Asian American or Pacific Islander, 9% Hispanic American, 0.8% Native American

International Population
3% representing 61 other countries

The Hispanic #'s are misleading a bit, since you can be WHITE and HISPANIC.

Whites can say plenty of things...freedom of speech still exists. Admittedly there are plenty of "sensitive" topics, but there are tons of those and they cut both ways.

 

[ACamp1900]

No, there were not white slaves.

No, there were not race riots against White minority groups.

There is a fable that whites can't get into good schools and such for non-white race students, but when you look at the numbers it's simply not true. Whites far exceed blacks in college admissions...far beyond their numbers. (it's a 9:1 ratio in America) You are far more likely to get into the best grad schools than the average black student.

Notre Dame is a great example. 11% of US Citizens are black, 4% are black at ND.



The Hispanic #'s are misleading a bit, since you can be WHITE and HISPANIC.

Whites can say plenty of things...freedom of speech still exists. Admittedly there are plenty of "sensitive" topics, but there are tons of those and they cut both ways.

ah,.... yes there were and yes there were... in fact my family tree can attest to both those points thank you... hell, go to visit the plantations in Virginia the first thing they cover is the fact that if you are white and poor in this country you are almost certainly from poor migrants or slaves... were they in mass numbers compared to blacks... of course not, but to say they weren't there is somewhat insulting my friend...

During the height of affirmative action the fable wasn't so much so... again my personal experience can attest to that as well... again if one knows oppression then how can you say it's never happened?

 

[leprechaun4life]

No, there were not white slaves.

No, there were not race riots against White minority groups.

There is a fable that whites can't get into good schools and such for non-white race students, but when you look at the numbers it's simply not true. Whites far exceed blacks in college admissions...far beyond their numbers. (it's a 9:1 ratio in America) You are far more likely to get into the best grad schools than the average black student.

Notre Dame is a great example. 11% of US Citizens are black, 4% are black at ND.



The Hispanic #'s are misleading a bit, since you can be WHITE and HISPANIC.

Whites can say plenty of things...freedom of speech still exists. Admittedly there are plenty of "sensitive" topics, but there are tons of those and they cut both ways.

Not all of that is entirely true. There were many slaves who were white especially in the Northeast, these people were poor and worked as slaves in order to receive food and shelter. There were also people who signed contracts of slavery for wealthy families in order to gain passage to America from many European countries. The KKK often persecuted various white people due to their religious or even racial backgrounds. There is an example from a ND perspective. KKK members confronted students at ND, and began condemning them etc. then wrote a letter to the president complaining about the rebels that ND allowed on the campus, or something to that effect. A lot of academic institutions actually favor you or grant scholarships due to one's racial diversion, and there are many schools that are considered all black, but there are none that are considered all white. In cases such as ND, where only a third of applicants are admitted, it is easily understandable that a minority group would be admitted less. If 33% of students are admitted to ND, and 11% of the US is of African descent, then it make sense that 4% ( more than 1/3 of 11%) would be admitted.

I really like my post can someone please give me a rep boost.

 

[ACamp1900]

Not all of that is entirely true. There were many slaves who were white especially in the Northeast, these people were poor and worked as slaves in order to receive food and shelter. There were also people who signed contracts of slavery for wealthy families in order to gain passage to America from many European countries. The KKK often persecuted various white people due to their religious or even racial backgrounds. There is an example from a ND perspective. KKK members confronted students at ND, and began condemning them etc. then wrote a letter to the president complaining about the rebels that ND allowed on the campus, or something to that effect. A lot of academic institutions actually favor you or grant scholarships due to one's racial diversion, and there are many schools that are considered all black, but there are none that are considered all white. In cases such as ND, where only a third of applicants are admitted, it is easily understandable that a minority group would be admitted less. If 33% of students are admitted to ND, and 11% of the US is of African descent, then it make sense that 4% ( more than 1/3 of 11%) would be admitted.

It's also documneted that when those in indentured servitude served their "time" they were sometimes denied their freedom...

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

ah,.... yes there were and yes there were... in fact my family tree can attest to both those points thank you... hell, go to visit the plantations in Virginia the first thing they cover is the fact that if you are white and poor in this country you are almost certainly from poor migrants or slaves... were they in mass numbers compared to blacks... of course not, but to say they weren't there is somewhat insulting my friend...

During the height of affirmative action the fable wasn't so much so... again my personal experience can attest to that as well... again if one knows oppression then how can you say it's never happened?

Indentured servitude is far different than slavery. Whites were never "slaves".

Affirmative action does not mean quotas, never has...

 

[ACamp1900]

Indentured servitude is far different than slavery. Whites were never "slaves".

Affirmative action does not mean quotas, never has...

Here's a good read...

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

If you're more of a hard copy guy I like this book...

http://www.amazon.com/They-Were-White-Slaves-Enslavement/dp/0929903056

 

[ACamp1900]

Just becuase it's not talked about doesn't mean it doesn't happen? I typically find those who have this attitude towards history are from well to do white families and think everyone who looks like them must have been the as fortunate... far from it

 

[johnnd05]

Two things:

KKK members confronted students at ND, and began condemning them etc. then wrote a letter to the president complaining about the rebels that ND allowed on the campus, or something to that effect.

The KKK was actually a stridently anti-Catholic organization as well, and there is a famous incident where a bunch of ND students got into a brawl with KKK members in downtown South Bend; this -- and much more -- is discussed in this book. Really cool stories ...

In cases such as ND, where only a third of applicants are admitted, it is easily understandable that a minority group would be admitted less. If 33% of students are admitted to ND, and 11% of the US is of African descent, then it make sense that 4% ( more than 1/3 of 11%) would be admitted.

I say this as someone who by no means favors aff. action, but this reasoning is mistaken. Suppose the population is 90% white and 10% black (it isn't, but hold on while I illustrate my point). And so suppose ND's applicants are 90% white and 10% black. By your reasoning, if they accept 1/3 of the applicants, they end up with a population that is 30% white, 3.3% black, and ... well what are the other 66.7% made up of? Fact is, ND's population doesn't reflect the national demographics ... I for one don't have a problem with that, but I suppose some do.

 

[ACamp1900]

the sex trade from that era coming from the Eastern European countries (as well as toerhs around the world) is quite sobering as well