Mike Gundy Wears an OAN Shirt

[Circa]

Not really. The fact that Macintyre even had to consider and understand on a deep level the works of Marx to ultimately build an argument against any of his ideas simply demonstrates Marx’s impact on philosophy, politics, sociology and economics. Great thinkers can be wrong sure however, equating one of the greatest “thinkers” in human history to the Op Ed idiots at Fox much less OAN is just fucking dumb.

Ironically, one could argue that the hysteria over Marx, Socialism and Communism was the source of the original PC police in this country.

Go Karl. I like your opinion.

 

[Bluto]

So I looked in the mirror this morning and realized that because I haven’t had a haircut in like three months that I look like the Mexican Mike Gundy. Damn you coronavirus!

 

[Irish YJ]

Not really. The fact that Macintyre even had to consider and understand on a deep level the works of Marx to ultimately build an argument against any of his ideas simply demonstrates Marx’s impact on philosophy, politics, sociology and economics. Great thinkers can be wrong sure however, equating one of the greatest “thinkers” in human history to the Op Ed idiots at Fox much less OAN is just fucking dumb.

Ironically, one could argue that the hysteria over Marx, Socialism and Communism was the source of the original PC police in this country.

It's all relative. IIRC, 2/3rds of the world associate Marxists ideologies with oppression. And that's likely highly skewed by the population of China's favorable views.

It's not really OAN vs Marx. It's how people view them independently. If you associate Marx with Russia, China, Cuba, N Korea, etc., or other places where his ideologies are embraced, it's not surprising that people see him in a negative light. All of those places are known for long term oppression. You obviously don't associate with oppressive regimes, instead you see his contributions to academia. Both can be true.

In terms of PC, wasn't it a term used by Socialists against Communists?

 

[irishff1014]

Gundy should just quit. The next time the players want something and he doesn’t give in like he did this time they are going to cry again. And then the admin is going to fire him. He is going to have no support from the admin. The hell if I would work in that environment.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Gundy did what he had to do to keep his job and save face. If I'm a D1 head football coach, I'd have some sort of balance between, "Alright guys, there's a lot of bad shit going on in our country right now. Let's sit down and air this stuff out and keep it in house"

along with

"no way in Hell am I going to have my program held hostage by a few 20 year olds making demands."

When these kids signed their NLI which includes free tuition, books, tutoring, medical, and housing in exchange for football performance, the contract did not include tearing down statues or renaming buildings on campus.

 

[Irish YJ]

Gundy did what he had to do to keep his job and save face. If I'm a D1 head football coach, I'd have some sort of balance between, "Alright guys, there's a lot of bad shit going on in our country right now. Let's sit down and air this stuff out and keep it in house"

along with

"no way in Hell am I going to have my program held hostage by a few 20 year olds making demands."

When these kids signed their NLI which includes free tuition, books, tutoring, medical, and housing in exchange for football performance, the contract did not include tearing down statues or renaming buildings on campus.

Speaking of statues, George Washington bit the dust in Portland yesterday.

<iframe width="600" height="400" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/EO0hTvwigzE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[NDRock]

Gundy should just quit. The next time the players want something and he doesn’t give in like he did this time they are going to cry again. And then the admin is going to fire him. He is going to have no support from the admin. The hell if I would work in that environment.

He’s making over $5 million a year. You want to make that kind of money, you have to put up with some bullshit.

 

[irishff1014]

He’s making over $5 million a year. You want to make that kind of money, you have to put up with some bullshit.

When you go to work give your boss orders and tell me how that works out for you.

 

[Irish YJ]

When you go to work give your boss orders and tell me how that works out for you.

His job is a bit different. His success is based on his ability to convince 18 year olds to come play, and then perform. He can't do that without appeasing the kids. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. A lot of folks would suck up to kids and forget their principals for $5M/year. Sure it sounds slimy, but that's the game right now.

 

[NDohio]

Well, I'll say this hit me pretty good. I grew up in a rural part of northern Ohio. I lived more in the suburbs, but there was a lot of farm boys too. You would see Confederate Flags often, and it was seen as a kind of redneck/southern pride thing. I'd be lying if I said the town wasn't almost exclusively white, but some of the African American kids did play football with us and we all got along, there was no tension between the farm boys and them. This was mid 90s, so obviously prior to the more recent developments. In any case, I heard similar statements from friends that moved to North Carolina. They would see Confederate Flags lined on the side of the road and they understood it to be more of a tradition or pride thing. They only lived there a few years though before moving back.

I've never lived in the south though, I've only had the interpretation of others to go on. I believe what you say as you've lived it probably as close as any "yank" can. Sorry to hear about the trouble you went through just trying to help that poor girl out. Thanks for opening my eyes to another perspective. While I'm sure for some people it was a symbol of southern pride, it should be considered that people's motivations may not all be pure.

Just for reference, I couldn't find the original article that discussed the support of the flag in the south as an image of pride, but I did find another article that referenced the same poll I believe:

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/public-opinion-confederate-flag-and-civil-war


If those poll numbers are true then it does further encapsulate the divide between whites and blacks on the status of the flag as I previously mentioned, but it's possible the poll is all a sham if white people in the south are voting positively to hide their bigotry. In any case, thanks again for providing another perspective and giving me first hand experience, you've changed my perception.

Thanks. It has been a treasure to have her as part of our life. That completely outweighs the negativity that it caused - plus we moved out of that place. She will be going into her junior year in college this fall working towards a nursing degree. Super proud of her.