Media Matters

[Polish Leppy 22]

Just shut the fuck up, Drayer. People like you are why these things happen. Continue reaping what you sow, bitch boy.

Bullshit. Drayer doesn't wish any harm upon those he disagrees with.

 

[LifelongFan]

In honor of his rhetoric I'll say he overdosed on fentanyl.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Bullshit. Drayer doesn't wish any harm upon those he disagrees with.

Incorrect.

Drayer...less than 3 months ago.

https://www.irishenvy.com/threads/politics.70119/post-3485440

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Also, Happy Thursday!

It was great waking up today!

 

[BuaConstrictor]

. Kirk may have been a great Christian and father, as many are saying. I have no reason to believe he wasn't.

Charlie Kirk was a piece of shit.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm a huge privacy guy, but after spending many hours thinking on it a potential answer would be to require an ID to create an account and real names to be publicly associated with accounts ONLY on the major social media sites (Facebook, Twitter, instagram, TikTok, reddit). There have been plenty of studies that show that sites like IE can remain anonymous without much damage. We're a small community that self regulates behavior and have a common interest that helps smooth over differences (mostly). On the other hand Twitter is a cesspool and I think part of it is the citizenry's fault, but I genuinely believe a huge part of it is that bots and trolls from Russia, China, etc. are constantly stirring the pot. I can't even read reddit threads anymore because its so obvious how many redditors are Russian AI bots making every topic into an "America Bad" circlejerk.

Unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen because I think if people knew how many "users" on these sites weren't real people the value would tank.

I would imagine if posts contained a persons name and city, they might not have the internet courage to post some of this garbage.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I would imagine if posts contained a persons name and city, they might not have the internet courage to post some of this garbage.

It doesn't even have to have all of that. Remember @SeekNDestroy is able to find that all out regardless and swat us all 😂

 

[Fbolt]

That's right! He also is highly connected, so be careful about retaliatory actions when he calls you names-he knows people!

 

[SeekNDestroy]

That's right! He also is highly connected, so be careful about retaliatory actions when he calls you names-he knows people!

Yep, threatening to shoot me is definitely the same thing as calling me names.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

who yes, I don't agree with, but as far as I can tell, has never wholesale called an entire people

Charlie Kirk has said a lot of disgusting shit wholesale about plenty of groups of people.

 

[NDhoosier]

Charlie Kirk has said a lot of disgusting shit wholesale about plenty of groups of people.

Ok dipshit, what did he say that was so bad or do you just listen to MSNBC like a dumbass?

Typical liberal

 

[IrishLax]

It's weird to see people acting like Charlie Kirk is Andrew Tate or Nick Fuentes or whatever. It's just completely divorced from reality, sorry.

 

[Fbolt]

Yep, threatening to shoot me is definitely the same thing as calling me names.

Did I miss someone threatening to shoot you?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Ok dipshit, what did he say that was so bad

Broadly saying African American women don't have the brain processing power of others.

He called women over 30 "unattractive in the dating pool" and angry/bitter.

Kirk said African Americans were better off under Jim Crow
Related: He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake.

He said during a 2024 podcast episode with fellow right wing activist Jack Posobeic: “I'm sorry. If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified,”

Kirk also bought into insane theories about Jews.

He said the Great Replacement Theory is a fact.

He was in Japan last week arguing against Japan allowing other groups into their country,

He accused Target and the LGBTQ Community of attempting to groom children.

He called trans people "abominations to God"

He said trans people are making it easier for foreign countries to take us over.

He said this about Islam as a religion. And this.

He supported the execution of homosexuals under "God's Perfect Law"

Kirk has repeatedly stated that women should be subordinate to men. Going as far to argue that they shouldn't get an education or work.

So yeah..that's a quick overview of a lot of shit he has said about a lot of groups of people.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Did I miss someone threatening to shoot you?

Gladiator threatened to shoot Bluto. I told him what would happen if he threatened to shoot me.

 

[IrishLax]

Like if you think someone who talks like this deserves to be shot you should take a deep breath and really try to evaluate how/why you feel that way. Because I don't get it. I disagree with probably 70-80% of whatever you would consider Kirk's "platform" but if someone with my persuasions ever wanted to engage with him on it he would try to debate me with what he considers logic and facts. And he's done that with thousands upon thousands of non-hypothetical people.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Like if you think someone who talks like this deserves to be shot you should take a deep breath and really try to evaluate how/why you feel that way. Because I don't get it. I disagree with probably 70-80% of whatever you would consider Kirk's "platform" but if someone with my persuasions ever wanted to engage with him on it he would try to debate me with what he considers logic and facts. And he's done that with thousands upon thousands of non-hypothetical people.

Who said he deserved to be shot?

 

[IrishLax]

Broadly saying African American women don't have the brain processing power of others.

I watched the first 30 seconds of this clip and there is nothing objectionable. He is calling out *specific people* who have beclowned themselves recently. Kentaji Jackson gets crapped on by her fellow Supreme Court justices. Joy Reid got fired for being a vitriolic, racist, unintelligent blowhard that MSNBC couldn't even stomach.

He called women over 30 "unattractive in the dating pool" and angry/bitter.

There is absolute loads of data from dating apps on who is considered attractive / unattractive for both men and women. Short, bald, poor men are less attractive than tall, buff, rich dudes. Older women -- especially those with kids from past relationships -- are less attractive than younger women without baggage. What is your objection here? And hormonal birth control has moodiness, depression, and headaches listed as side effects.

Kirk said African Americans were better off under Jim Crow
Related: He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake.

His specific quote that you linked is that the "permanent bureaucracy" from the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and he acknowledges that it's a tough position. At no point as has he ever suggested that black people should not have the same rights as everyone else, but you are implying otherwise.

He said during a 2024 podcast episode with fellow right wing activist Jack Posobeic: “I'm sorry. If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified,”

Kirk also bought into insane theories about Jews.

He said the Great Replacement Theory is a fact.

He was in Japan last week arguing against Japan allowing other groups into their country,

He accused Target and the LGBTQ Community of attempting to groom children.


So yeah..that's a quick overview of a lot of shit he has said about a lot of groups of people.

1. I would never think or say this, nor would most normal people, but do you actually not understand what DEI is and the point he is making? Hint: it's that without DEI you would never have to question someone's qualifications, but when you intentionally put in systems to elevate less qualified people over more qualified people then you have to question whether someone "earned it" or not... and that hypothetically applies to every field. While I disagree with this position and outlandish phrasing, one could easily "debate" the DEI topic and there are tons of better examples of DEI causing issues in medical school, etc.

2. I didn't read that whole article but at least in the first few paragraphs there is nothing there. What specific theory did he share and where is it in the article?

3. Demographic replacement is an inarguable fact and all statistics show this. Are you saying that that demographics aren't changing? What exactly is the position here that is crazy? That our laws contribute to changing demographics?

4. Japan literally just replaced their Prime Minister because the populous agreed with him about immigration.

5. Is the email you linked here inauthentic or do you not like the phrasing of "grooming"?

Basically you posted eight things where I personally disagree with a lot of them but there is only objectionable language in ~2 of them and most of his takes are rooted in some sort of facts. Therefor, because you disagree with him, he should be shot?

 

[IrishLax]

Who said he deserved to be shot?

Are we playing dumb here and pretending that people aren't celebrating him being shot? Like do you think we are all stupid and not seeing people saying "happy thursday! it was great waking up today!" and we don't know what is being implied here?

We are "hands off" here so I don't really care what people's opinions are, but let's be real.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I watched the first 30 seconds of this clip and there is nothing objectionable.

Says a lot about you.

What is your objection here?

That he's incorrect.

At no point as has he ever suggested that black people should not have the same rights as everyone else,

He said they were better off under Jim Crow...when they didn't. So you're wrong.

I didn't read that whole article

Makes sense for you.

Demographic replacement is an inarguable fact

That's not what the GRT is. Good work.

Japan literally just replaced their Prime Minister because the populous agreed with him about immigration.

That doesn't mean it's a moral position...

or do you not like the phrasing of "grooming"?

Claiming Target and the LGBTQ community is trying to groom children is not good.

he should be shot?

Did I say that?

 

[IrishLax]

this is the guy being cast as the devil

 

[BuaConstrictor]

"happy thursday! it was great waking up today!"

Is it not a Happy Thursday? Was it not great to wake up today?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

being cast as the devil

Who said he was the devil?

Someone made mention that Kirk had never made broad proclamations about people.

I said he had.

I was challenged for proof of that.

I provided lots of proof.

Sorry someone you liked was a piece of shit?

 

[IrishLax]

Says a lot about you.

That he's incorrect.


He said they were better off under Jim Crow...when they didn't. So you're wrong.


Makes sense for you.


That's not what the GRT is. Good work.

That doesn't mean it's a moral position...

Claiming Target and the LGBTQ community is trying to groom children is not good.


Did I say that?

This is incredibly bad faith nonsense.

"That he's incorrect" ... what? he is literally correct about dating / attractiveness and all information shows this. You can pull up dozens and dozens of studies from social psychologists, dating apps, etc. Saying the "sky is red" doesn't make it true.

 

[IrishLax]

Is it not a Happy Thursday? Was it not great to wake up today?

Right, like I said, let's not do this. Everyone knows what you meant, we aren't stupid. Just own it. What else do you mean coming to the "media matters" thread and posting this about a father who just got assassinated?

This isn't some court of law or a deposition, nobody cares about this kind of schtick.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

he is literally correct about dating

He literally is not.

This is incredibly bad faith nonsense.

Says the guy who didn't even read an article.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

posting this about a father who just got assassinated?

I feel bad for his kids.

I don't feel bad at all for him.

Do I agree with him being shot? No...but I'm also not going to pretend that he was a good person. He wasn't. Or that I feel bad for him. I don't.

 

[IrishLax]

Who said he was the devil?

Someone made mention that Kirk had never made broad proclamations about people.

I said he had.

I was challenged for proof of that.

I provided lots of proof.

Sorry someone you liked was a piece of shit?

In what universe do I like Charlie Kirk lmao... I barely even know who he is! Find me one post on here over the past 15+ years where I have said something positive about him.

What's insane is that I literally got done voting for my Democrat rep in a special election *this week* ... I vote almost exclusively Democrat. There is a long record of this on this site going back to pre-Trump 2016. There are receipts upon receipts of my leanings.

Here's what I'm not:
1. I'm not a ghoul
2. I'm not someone so blinded by partisan leanings that I can't see toxicity on the left

You are an extreme ideologue, likely because you make your $$$ on the backs of mass immigration. At least have the spine to own what you are, I can at least respect that.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

In what universe do I like Charlie Kirk lmao...

The current one where you are agreeing with him and defending him.

Find me one post on here over the past 15+ years where I have said something positive about him.

*Looks at above posts*

likely because you make your $$$ on the backs of mass immigration.

Did you steal this from a Charlie Kirk tweet?

 

[IrishLax]

He literally is not.

The book Dataclysm -- which is from the guy who founded OKCupid -- literally shows that men are most attracted to women in their early 20s. I can also link you a dozen other studies on dating preferences, but it's pointless because you won't read them. I'm more curious why you are lying about this when it's so well documented?

Says the guy who didn't even read an article.

Yeah this the part that is "bad faith" ... I specifically said I read the first half of it, and then asked where the objectionable / crazy part was because it's not in the first part of that very long article. Instead of saying:

"Hey here's the part that is crazy"

You instead act like an asshole. What is your problem?