Maybe we need a new OC?

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LOVEMYIRISH said:
EXACTLY!!!

We were NOT down big...until the Offense kept going 3 and out...
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yeah,but lsu is really good.What they average only about 2 touchdowns on defense?maybe if they had turned the ball over 5 times then notre dame could have scored as much as florida.

Now,arkansas ran the ball on them and i didn't think that would happen.I watched that game twice.That could bring up the debateable subject about the running game that weis went away from and then you could add the defense in there too.
Did weis feel pressured to go to the hurry up pass mode because of the defense?

it was just a bad game that notre dame had no business being in.
next year will be better.notre dame will go 9-3 and play clemson in the gator bowl and win:)
 
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While I believe Charlie is a good offensive coach, I do think that the playcalling became predictable. He was too dependent on WR screens with Shark in the slot, and DW's runs were almost all draws or stretch plays.

When even I can see what's about to be run based on his down and distance tendencies, I'm sure a DC worth his salt could as well.
 
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The OC is fine, there were many instances where there were open recievers, in which Quinn didn't get them the ball, there were droped passed or they just couldn't find they ball.

The big difference between this year and last year is the offensive line was too inconsistant and we really missed Stovall, he could catch anything that came his direction. McKnight was a down grade at receiver, he can make the incredible catch but anything right in the numbers he seemed to drop. He killed alot of drives this year with his dropped passed.
 
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LOVEMYIRISH said:
EXACTLY!!!

We were NOT down big...until the Offense kept going 3 and out...
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No one is saying the offense was perfect. But when the other teams starts running the clock out by just running up the gut... and they get 10 yards every time... when you KNOW they are running. It sure is hard to get things going. Both sides of the ball need work. But look at the stats. We had a top 10-15 offense this year, and if you take into account the bowl game, our defense probably sits at around ~60th in the country.

Defense takes much more priority over offensive worries in my book. The offense played a pretty good first half. From a execution standpoint, it would have been prefect if people would have made normal, easy plays. i.e. that drop by Freeman. And the ball that hit the Shark in the frikking head in the end-zone. Those two things go right and we have 300 yards of offense in the first half against an amazing defense.

The second half wasn't great and I still think a lot of it just hinged on poor execution.

Plain and simple, we need more depth, we need better athletes, we need a swagger. A lot of that swagger naturally comes form the better athletes. And they tend to show up big in big games. We also need a motivator. And lots of teams get great motivation from their defensive coordinator. Minter lacks a lot in both coordination, and scheming. As well as recruiting. Plain and simple, he didn't land any of those big defensive commits that we were just looking at this weekend. Notre Dame does a lot of the recruiting for him.

Again, if we have time to worry about anything, it should be defense. Our offense wasn't perfect, but it was a top 10-15 offense. In the Sugar Bowl, we gave up 6.6 yards a carry against LSU and 9.8 yards PER pass attempt against LSU.

577 was the most yards LSU gained this year... against any team. That includes the absolute pancakes on their schedule.

Guess what? 617 was the most yards OSU put on a team last year too.

Alabama and Arkansas were the only teams that LSU played that put up more yards than the 291 that ND put up on LSU. And 250 of those came in the first half. Which is the most by any team this year...
 
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TexasDomer said:
While I believe Charlie is a good offensive coach, I do think that the playcalling became predictable. He was too dependent on WR screens with Shark in the slot, and DW's runs were almost all draws or stretch plays.
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You know, Tex, that's a very interesting point you bring up. Actually brought a thought out of my head that I'd been ignoring for much of the 2nd half of the season. It was actually pretty predictable, now that you said it.

Further, I will state an opinion worth refuting that that looked exactly like NFL playcalling, where you pound the ball sometimes the same play multiple times in a game...all with the hope that your players are physically dominant enough to make it work every time. Seems true that his heart might have been in the right place, making the boys want to execute something higher than they were capable of. But the fact remains fast teams run fast plays, slow teams churn the run with the FB on occasion...and ND was just trying to do more than was possible at times.
 
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Something else that killed ND this year, no one that could stretch the field. Last year they had Stovall (and he's not even fast) who could run down about 40 yards and let Brady just throw one up for grabs and most likely MS would come down with it. JS and RM to me are the same type of possession receiver. Hopefully DK or RP can be this type of player for the Irish.
 
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The OC is fine, there were many instances where there were open recievers, in which Quinn didn't get them the ball, there were droped passed or they just couldn't find they ball.

The big difference between this year and last year is the offensive line was too inconsistant and we really missed Stovall, he could catch anything that came his direction. McKnight was a down grade at receiver, he can make the incredible catch but anything right in the numbers he seemed to drop. He killed alot of drives this year with his dropped passed.
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I don't think this topic is about whether or not recievers were open,but more of the play calling itself at times.
 
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Defense takes much more priority over offensive worries in my book. The offense played a pretty good first half. From a execution standpoint, it would have been prefect if people would have made normal, easy plays. i.e. that drop by Freeman. And the ball that hit the Our offense wasn't perfect, but it was a top 10-15 offense...
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fleaflicker,our offense was ranked 24th.
Not saying anything,but don't pad the stats

defense was 65th.A difference of about 110 yards a game against #1 virginia tech.
 
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Hey.....GREENSJERSEYS'07..............during the McKay years at USC, didn't we lose to them like 12-13 times....in a row?
 
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fleaflicker,our offense was ranked 24th.
Not saying anything,but don't pad the stats

defense was 65th.A difference of about 110 yards a game against #1 virginia tech.
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Sorry, I was taking rankings from before the Sugar Bowl, and maybe I saw the wrong ones. I'm not trying to pad stats, though, relax. Or perhaps they were from before our last two games.
 
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FleaFlicker said:
Sorry, I was taking rankings from before the Sugar Bowl, and maybe I saw the wrong ones. I'm not trying to pad stats, though, relax. Or perhaps they were from before our last two games.
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I'm not sure about the offense being ranked better before the last two games,but i guarantee the defense was.:wink:
 
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I'm not sure about the offense being ranked better before the last two games,but i guarantee the defense was.:wink:
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Well our yearly yardage a game was 389.77.

Against USC we put up 404 yds, and against LSU we put up 292. So it went down a bit, though not a substantial amount, I would assume.

We were the No. 16 scoring offense in the NCAA though, and that was with 31.00 points per game, which did drop in each of the last two games, that may have been the number I was referring to.

Our average was 33.18 before those two games, which would have put us at the 10th best offense in the country.

Obviously this means nothing, just explaining where I got that number originally.
 
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True. I don't think the offense had an outstanding year, but 37td passes helps. Compared to the offense under Ty, the past 2 years have been great.
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yeah,i was a clown to still have postive waves after that stupid BYU game in '04.I'm a homer...a definate homer.
 
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FleaFlicker said:
Plain and simple, we need more depth, we need better athletes, we need a swagger. A lot of that swagger naturally comes form the better athletes. And they tend to show up big in big games.
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This is a key thing...no doubt... Weis IS doing the best he can with what he has...of that I am pretty damn certain.
 
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Junkhead said:
True. I don't think the offense had an outstanding year, but 37td passes helps. Compared to the offense under Ty, the past 2 years have been great.
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Better than great... god, the Willingham offenses were truly horrible.
 
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I think part of the problem is that Coach Weis has to spend too much time and energy on the defense, for a play caller to be successful he needs to be concentrating of the next offensive series, and collaborating with the offense while the defense is on the field. Coach weis needs to find a defensive cord. that he can just give the reigns to and say "here you go, it's your show", however it's quite obvious that at this point he doesn't have that kind of faith in Minter, nor should he. For the few out there that don't believe me, just look at the play calling in the Sugar Bowl, ala the fake punt. I think the other problem comes from ND's offensive personnel. The offense has several high quality frontline players, but it lacks quality across the board, depth, and most importantly a few homerun hitters. ND doesn't really have anyone at WR that can stretch the field by getting behind coverage, or a RB that can take it the distance on any carry. ND's OL also regressed this year which caused Coach Weis to have to call more max protection blocking scemes which takes TEs and RBs out out of recieving patterns, giving the QB less targets to throw to. I still think it would be a good idea for Coach Weis to hire an OC though. Not necessarily for play calling, because I think Coach Weis will always want to do that, but just to have another offensive mind to talk to and bounce ideas off of them.
 
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GREENJERSEYS'07 said:
I don't think this topic is about whether or not recievers were open,but more of the play calling itself at times.
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Yes I understand that, but if he's calling plays where the WR's are wide open, than wouldn't that be good play calling. It seems like the difference between good and bad play calling is execution. If Thomas had made the first down on the fake punt, Weis would be considered a genius, but because he didn't make it, he considered a goat.
 
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how about a new QB's coach? i heard that Troy Smith won't be doing anything next fall... although, his asking price may be a bit high considering the money he's pulled in this year.
 
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njuneardave said:
how about a new QB's coach? i heard that Troy Smith won't be doing anything next fall... although, his asking price may be a bit high considering the money he's pulled in this year.
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Are you serious or am I missing some sarcasm? I think Coach Vaas has done a great job. The Smith comment is a chuckler. :wink:
 
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I agree. He is overqualified for the position in my opinion and a move up wouldn't be surprising if he found the job.
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Anything ND can do to keep him around?

EDIT to correct my error. Latina isn't leaving. Apologies for the brain fart.
 
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Latina's not going anywhere. Why the hell would someone say something like that? There's enough of this crap running around the boards...let's not start anymore rumors.
 
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