It has been said that with the committment of Robert Hughes, that Martez Wilson will possibly open his recruting back up to Notre Dame. With Trattou now gone, I see this as an even bigger possibility. When Hughes committed, Wilson rolled his eyes, knowing that he is going to have to make another big choice. With Neal and Trattou already there, Wilson saw his chance to instantly start at Illinois. Now that Trattou is gone, Wilson has a chance to start for the Irish or at least play a significant amount.
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LOVEMYIRISH
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We can forget about Wilson. He talked about how Weis is an uptight white guy coach...
We will find others.
We will find others.
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Dude, don't read too much into things. He probably rolled his eyes because his buddy is going to a different school than he is. Wilson ain't coming to ND.
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Agreed. Wilson is going to ILL. If Steven FIler is not the #1 recruit on our board for 2008 then something is very wrong.
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I agree that Wilson isn't coming to ND. But maybe he and Brown could become friends if there were more time. You know since it sounds like Wilson wants a black coach.
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it has definitely oppened his chances of coming to ND. if zooks approach was playing time. then MW could look where his friend is going and see plenty of stardom. we just need CB and RH to go talk to him and sell ND to him a last time, because you never know when recruits will change their minds......(trattou= ND lock since june)
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that would be great, he could either be a great OLB in the 3-4 scheme or perhapes a year away if they decided to use him at DE. IMO if ND moves to a 3-4 wilson would be better served to play OLB and perhapes richardson would hold down the other OLB spot.
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Lax, that is a pretty powerful statement to say that a kid committed to another program is coming to ND when he hasn't appeared to waiver at all the last few weeks like JT did.
I certainly hope that you are correct, but I'm not putting too much faith in it as of right now
I certainly hope that you are correct, but I'm not putting too much faith in it as of right now
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I cannot believe you guys are even intertaining the idea of wilson coming to ND. The biggest clue should have been when Hughes himself said i am not going to bother Martez about his decision to go to ILL. Hughes goes on to say Wilson is happy with his decision and it was the RIGHT decision for him. Secondly you dont call CW an uptight white coach and then think Wilson is coming to ND (with Brown here or not). He is not coming to ND. Move on people. We WILL get some studs next year, recruiting is getting better and better for ND. Go Irish!!!!
I wouldn't put a lot of stock in anyone's statement over there.
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Right, and I'm Rick Mirer's best friend.
Ok, I lied. His best friend was my JV football coach. BTW I'm not saying you're full of it laxkid, I'm just saying the poster that originally posted that is.
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thats the problem. in CW's first two years the offensive recruiting has been top 3 each year but the defense is lagging behind. it's sad to think that we have to wait again next year to see if things move forward. right now ND is between a rock and a hard place with it's defense. in order to attrached and bring in top defensive talent you have to show that you can put a great defense on the field year in and year out. this is where the problem is, in order to get great defensive players you need to play great defense but to play great defense you need defensive recruites. the defense is now two years behind the offense, if ND expects to play great defense year in and year out it wont start untill 2009, thats if we land any recruites.
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IRISHMAN You are right as far as we are behind on the defensive recruiting. Positive recruiting comes from Positive performance. This absolutely applies to each side of the ball. When CB shows a different(more aggressive,More Productive) defense in 2007. I fully believe we will be in the top 40 in overall defense and will continue to climb from there. It wont take him long. We do have capable defenders, even if they are young in areas. It wont take CB long to turn things around with the correct schemes. This I believe whole heartedly. Go Irish!!!
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What people don't understand is that the defense ND has had for the last two years were very good recruits. The players on the team waiting are good defensive players they just needed a DC who will turn them lose and coach them to make plays. ND in 2002 defense made plays so many times it was just a part of who the team was. ND will always have good players and CW making our team more explosive offense will help the defense in so many ways.
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Didn't a poster here guarantee JT staying only a couple of days ago?
First, let me say I don't know squat about recruiting but it seems to me that there is something unethical, even though it's not illegal, to go after recruits already verbally commited to another school. Florida has now brought in to their 2007 class 8, repeat 8, commitments from other schools. I find nothing wrong with a commit who, on his own volition, decides to decommit for another school as long as the other school's coaching staff stays out of his decision. Florida has gone after commits with a vengeance and apparently been very successful. I also think it's time to do away with verbals and have the written commit much earlier than the February signing date. After all, a lot of effort goes into recruiting for position and once the recruit signs, he should be honor bound to fulfill that commitment or if not, lose a year of eligibilty for reneging. That would stop a lot of the current backstabbing going on..even today.. though it may be a bit harsh!
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Paisan265
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Seriously, did you already forget the ND took Gary Gray away from South Carolina? This goes on all of the time. There is no point on whining about it, we try to take commits away from other schools too. Even if the signing date was moved, kids would still be verbally committing, and probably even earlier than they are now. Instead of trying to change the rules of recuiting, ND just needs to win games and look aggressive on defense. Until both of those things happen, the D recruits may continue to be scarce.
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ND did take Grey away from South Carolina which is fine with me, this is way the recruiting game is played. But it really sucks when your team is targeted.
I understood Gary Grey decommited on his volition...without ND interference. I'm not trying to change the rules and it would be the height of arrogance for me to think that I could. I was simply expressing my frustration and opinion of Trattou decommiting. Sorry, I didn't mean to upset anybody.
I believe in Gary's situation, Gray set up the visit and decommited from SCar as oppsed to Trattou changing commitments. Trat never really decommited, he just split. Charlie stayed in contact w/ Gray, but Gray, on his own volition, scheduled and set up the trip. In fact I believe it was inofficial, on his own dollars. His official came later in the season, perhaps the Stanford game, when he was an ND commit.
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I agree w/ your comments about Wilson. In fact, we might as well face the reality that we probably won't add another commitment & will end w/ 18. As far as getting some defensive studs next year? Not if we get embarrassed on national tv vs. the elite teams again. I don't believe for a minute that the debacle in the Sugar Bowl didn't seal some decisions for people such as Blackwell or in Trattou's case, the Florida NC was the icing on the cake for him. If people don't think that ass whooping on nat'l TV didn't make a difference to those 17-18 yr olds, they're delusional. It's up to Charlie & staff to make some shrewd moves w/ position changes this spring ala Lou Holtz's early years. If not, expect a promising offense that will get better w/ experience & the same old defense that can't hold the likes of USC's or LSU's jocks.
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Weis might have already made the shrewd move by getting rid of Minter, lets let next year under Corwin Brown playout and let him have a full year of recruiting as our DC before we start talking about losing out on defensive recruits next year. Your right the Sugar Bowl loss might have hurt us, but I think things will be fine next year as long as the defense shows some improvement. and you never know CW might have some signing day surprises in-store for all of us, I would guess that Weis isn't done recruiting yet and we might get a couple more guys.
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IRISHDODGER- I cannot agree with you more that getting whooped in a big time bowl game does affect recruiting. I asked that question in a post earlier this month, (since deleted in the slash and burn) and the majority of answers were that the Sugar Bowl loss, or any other bowl loss, do not affect recruiting. I now believe that they are wrong. ND has not signed a single D recruit, and as we all know have actually lost one, since the Sugar Bowl. I'm sorry, that is not a coincidence, especially when you consider that prior to the Sugar Bowl there were at least 10 elite D recruits that ND thought they had a good shot at. It's not just ND either. Look at last year's very competitive NC game and you can see that both Texas and USC were not affected recruiting wise. Now look at this year's NC game where Florida blows out OSU worse than ND was blown out by LSU. The result, Florida is getting just about anybody they want, while OSU has a miserable class. In fact, until they signed a LB yesterday, they had not received a single commit since 12/17, almost 6 weeks. A lot of guys are going to still argue that it does not matter, but you can not argue with the facts.
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ok here's my take on why we lost those guys shortly after the Sugar Bowl. If I remember correctly Minter was told prior to the bowl game that there was going to be a coaching change after the season, so I am sure that that was brought to the attention of most of the remaining recruits that ND had targeted. I don't think Weis would keep Minter recruiting if he wasn't going to be there after the season. So with that position soon to be up in the air that probably played a part in some of those kids minds, add on the blow out loss to LSU and I think that killed us with recruits.