kickoffs

[ShivaIrish]

The kicking game is atrocious. On kickoffs, the kick is always so short, I think that may have played a role in the type of call to start the second half. Thing is, the out of bounds kick might be a better result than a lot of the other kickoffs. I'm not blaming coaches, but they have to get a kicker who can consistently get it into the endzone.

 

[bc525]

by all means......kicking it straight out of bounds gives it to them at the 35....with NO chance of taking one back.....

CW needs to visit the soccer team and give a scholarship to one of those boys that can consistently put it out of the end zone! He gave one to Burkhart who kicks for us now and he can't get it to the 10?

 

[weisguys_9]

Maybe i'm wrong, but didnt Charlie turn down the number one kicker recruit in the country, because he took to long to commit?

 

[Master Guns]

CW better go find us a kicker that does not have to compete in a kicking contest during a practice week to keep his job. Goya is not the guy to nail a 40 yarder to win a game for you. I think we gave up 6-9 points alone because he could not be counted on. That will not cut it.

 

[BGIF]

Maybe i'm wrong, but didnt Charlie turn down the number one kicker recruit in the country, because he took to long to commit?

I don't know how he was on kickoffs but he was highly ranked place kicker.

 

[isotopes]

Hey its not just his ability to kick field goals, his on side ability is terrific too... that was one of the worst onside kicks ever, you have got to assume half the kids on that team could do a better job

 

[irishfox]

i have always been on the edge of my seat when it comes to nd kickers and this year i dont even like to watch extra points. Kicking it out of bounce to start the second half...are you kidding me and then that onsider, has that ever been practiced before! I like how Charlie went for the 4th downs but sometimes you just need to kick the ball, especially in the first half when you can put some points on the board.

 

[BGIF]

CW better go find us a kicker that does not have to compete in a kicking contest during a practice week to keep his job. Goya is not the guy to nail a 40 yarder to win a game for you. I think we gave up 6-9 points alone because he could not be counted on. That will not cut it.

Yeah, that would have made the difference in both 20 point losses, wouldn't it have? A 40 yarder to win wasn't an issue in any game this year, was it?

The "6-9" points alone didn't amount to squat.

His name is Gioia.


CW needs to find an entire Defense, a starting QB, a new receiving CORPS, a new OLine, ...

Yeah, those "6-9" points are a real priority.

 

[BGIF]

Hey its not just his ability to kick field goals, his on side ability is terrific too... that was one of the worst onside kicks ever, you have got to assume half the kids on that team could do a better job

If ANYONE on the team could, they'd be doing it.

We lost by 20 points and you want to lament onsides kick proficiency?

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

CW needs to find an entire Defense, a starting QB, a new receiving CORPS, a new OLine, ...

Yeah, those "6-9" points are a real priority.

Yeah, that's going to make next year a tough one.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

We lost by 20 points and you want to lament onsides kick proficiency?

Yeah, it was merely insult to injury. I actually laughed when it happened.

I was thinking man, if it can go wrong, it will.

Anyone notice that BQ threw no INTs today? Nice.

 

[isotopes]

If ANYONE on the team could, they'd be doing it.

We lost by 20 points and you want to lament onsides kick proficiency?

I don't believe I stated that was the only reason for the lost. The thread is about kickoffs. The onside kick being included in that category, I feel it's acceptable to comment on how it was an awful attempt. The kick was directed to the soft spot in the line, had no real power behind it, and no height off the hop either.

 

[Master Guns]

Hey its not just his ability to kick field goals, his on side ability is terrific too... that was one of the worst onside kicks ever, you have got to assume half the kids on that team could do a better job

Might as well of not even made the effort....TERRIBLE!!!!! And he does not rate to wear Rudy's number anymore!

 

[Master Guns]

Yeah, that would have made the difference in both 20 point losses, wouldn't it have? A 40 yarder to win wasn't an issue in any game this year, was it?

The "6-9" points alone didn't amount to squat.

His name is Gioia.


CW needs to find an entire Defense, a starting QB, a new receiving CORPS, a new OLine, ...

Yeah, those "6-9" points are a real priority.

Relax.......I addressed the above in other threads, this is about the kicking game. My point was, if it came down to needing to win a game from that distance, I would'nt say it was "money" that he would make it. And that is what is needed.

Depending on were the 6-9 points come in at, could have been something on the side of momentumn building. Early on it might have done something. But it was clear that on at least two 4th downs at the USC 30 to 35 yardline, CW would not chance the miss. Plus that onside kick was the worse I have ever seen.

 

[goldenechoes]

The kicking game is atrocious. On kickoffs, the kick is always so short, I think that may have played a role in the type of call to start the second half. Thing is, the out of bounds kick might be a better result than a lot of the other kickoffs. I'm not blaming coaches, but they have to get a kicker who can consistently get it into the endzone.

Watch out before herecomestheirish yells at you for making fun of his brother.

 

[Master Guns]

If ANYONE on the team could, they'd be doing it.

We lost by 20 points and you want to lament onsides kick proficiency?

apparently CW put it in to be run, so it was part of the plan to give ND a shot. And it was poorly executed to the point that USC scored on it (first time I had ever seen that). It was one of many failures tonight.

 

[njuneardave]

seriously, though.... why can't Notre Dame get an elite kicker? When was the last time we had a kicker that consistently put it into the end zone on a kickoff? Every other top 15 team has one...

 

[jiggafini19]

Kai Forbath. He went to UCLA. Didn't see him when ND beat UCLA. I think Burkhardt has seen more duty this year, in fact.

I would like to see more touchbacks as much as the next guy. SC was getting the ball in great field position to start, not that they needed it.

 

[NDAlumSon]

The kick wasn't the best, granted....but that doesn't excuse the missed assignments of the kickoff team. Every front line member of the receiving team has to be engaged by a member of the kickoff team. Nobody went after Cushing. He was untouched.
Sure looked they didn't practice that play very much.

 

[brecht]

this is f'in ridiculous. things have gone too far to devote this much space to talking about kick-offs. as long as the 10 guys are tackling on the kickoff, who gives a shit? maybe it's just that all the other areas for bitching and moaning have been exhausted....

 

[brecht]

seriously, though.... why can't Notre Dame get an elite kicker? When was the last time we had a kicker that consistently put it into the end zone on a kickoff? Every other top 15 team has one...

are there even elite kickers in high school football? i guess i saw one in high school, kicking 80 yd field goals on tape and such. in fact, he even went to ND. he always seemed decent, but never really excelled. didn't charlie weis address this in a presser earlier this year? he said the problem evaluating high school kickers is that they put helium in the ball, so you never know of their skills are veritas (which, in case you slept through chem class, means that the ball is now less dense than air, and flies that much farther).

 

[jiggafini19]

this is f'in ridiculous. things have gone too far to devote this much space to talking about kick-offs. as long as the 10 guys are tackling on the kickoff, who gives a shit? maybe it's just that all the other areas for bitching and moaning have been exhausted....

I can't speak for the other 11 games, but Saturday night it was definitely bad.

 

[njuneardave]

whoever kicks the helium ball farther will kick the oxygen ball farther. =)

 

[the5thhorseman]

CW states there are 3 facets to the game AND special teams is ONE. If we kick 2 field goals we are down 7 points with 3:30 left in the game and we don't gift wrap the onside kick to them. To me, it is embarrassing to do the things we did in the kicking game......i.e. kick out of bounds, not kick thefield goals, etc

 

[Famboo28]

are there even elite kickers in high school football? i guess i saw one in high school, kicking 80 yd field goals on tape and such. in fact, he even went to ND. he always seemed decent, but never really excelled. didn't charlie weis address this in a presser earlier this year? he said the problem evaluating high school kickers is that they put helium in the ball, so you never know of their skills are veritas (which, in case you slept through chem class, means that the ball is now less dense than air, and flies that much farther).

Actually, I was watching MythBusters the other day and they put the Helium football myth to test and the football does go further, but only by about 5 yards, so I don't think it makes that big of a difference.

 

[IrishDon103]

I saw that too..he speaks the truth.

Although it was punting, not place kicking. Doubt it matters though.

 

[bc525]

this is f'in ridiculous. things have gone too far to devote this much space to talking about kick-offs. as long as the 10 guys are tackling on the kickoff, who gives a shit? maybe it's just that all the other areas for bitching and moaning have been exhausted....

The thread is about Kickoffs...don't think it warrants your time, don't read it......the point is....bury the damn ball out of the end zone and nobody has to tackle....no opportunities to have one run back on you...no chance for errors...TOUCH BACK.....PERIOD! Every other freakin' team in the NCAA is doing it, it's about time we do it to!

No, it didn't "Lose" the game for us....but it sure as he11 didn't help...not this past saturday, or any other saturday this freakin' season. It's pathetic and unacceptable. If he can't kick it 5 yards deep in the end zone then it's better to just have his sorry arse kick it to Coach Weis...I'll concede the penalty!

 

[Master Guns]

are there even elite kickers in high school football? i guess i saw one in high school, kicking 80 yd field goals on tape and such. in fact, he even went to ND. he always seemed decent, but never really excelled. didn't charlie weis address this in a presser earlier this year? he said the problem evaluating high school kickers is that they put helium in the ball, so you never know of their skills are veritas (which, in case you slept through chem class, means that the ball is now less dense than air, and flies that much farther).

I've never seen but one I think. The ND soccer team may have someone.

 

[Master Guns]

The thread is about Kickoffs...don't think it warrants your time, don't read it......the point is....bury the damn ball out of the end zone and nobody has to tackle....no opportunities to have one run back on you...no chance for errors...TOUCH BACK.....PERIOD! Every other freakin' team in the NCAA is doing it, it's about time we do it to!

No, it didn't "Lose" the game for us....but it sure as he11 didn't help...not this past saturday, or any other saturday this freakin' season. It's pathetic and unacceptable. If he can't kick it 5 yards deep in the end zone then it's better to just have his sorry arse kick it to Coach Weis...I'll concede the penalty!

Some people don't realize that there are three elements of football, The O, The D and SPECIAL TEAMS (which kicking is a big part of). And if your solid in all three, that usually means VICTORY.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Some people don't realize that there are three elements of football, The O, The D and SPECIAL TEAMS (which kicking is a big part of). And if your solid in all three, that usually means VICTORY.

Yeah, you are right Special Teams means a TON. The battle for field position is a critical one in big games. You cannot underestimate the impact of a good kicker.

We had a few really good kickers in the last couple of years...punting and kicking. Setta was a great kicker. Hunter Smith was a great punter. Joey Hildbold too. I remember watching him kick and Pat Haden saying "Hildebold is putting on a clinic here, this kid is amazing."