It's about time you realized

[nayers]

I was surfing the web to see if OSU has any kind of forum like we do..I stumbled across http://forums.the-ozone.net/ and found this artical...

By Hamilton Buckeye on 22:00:50 12/25/05

I have always liked and admired the Irish, but those feelings are rapidly eroding. I respect their program's history, the coaching staff and the players. Their success this year is outstanding. However...the arrogance of the postings I see on the domer boards is simply breathtaking. They constantly denigrate all OSU academic programs, both undergrad and grad. They truly believe they are among the top 5 or 10 universities in academic and research in the country. That, my friend, is delusional. I agree that, on average, the typical domer undergrad had a higher GPA and SAT score than the typical OSU undergrad. But the overall size and scope/depth of OSU academics and research, especially at the graduate law, medicine, MBA, DDS, DVM, and engineering is superior at OSU. Both universities excel in their own fashion. OSU will never be inferior to ND re academics.

I greatly respect a ND degree, but they certainly don't teach humility in South Bend. Their intellectual elitism even spreads to their opinion of their coach, C. Weiss. The domers believe that he will review film and completely astound us with new ideas, formations, coaching versatility, and player motivation. All the while, Tressel will sit there dumbfounded while reviewing the Irish films. I don't mind football smack talk, but the domers consider us dimwits who blindly cheer on our beloved Buckeyes. They (well, the majority of them) truly believe that they are our intellectual superiors and we Buckeyes are just inbred Ohio idiots. I will not use this upcoming game to show that we are just as smart as they are. They very well may beat us on the field (although that's doubtful), but I don't feel inferior to any domer intellectually. Football is not a proxy for educational excelence. I have an MD from OSU and an MBA from the Univ. of Chicago. My education at OSU was outstanding. I just expected a little more class from the Irish. I guess I shouldn't be dissapointed. Anyone else feel like me?

sorry bud we don't feel the same...

 

[TexasDomer]

nayers,

I have met many tOSU alumni, and I can say nothing but positive things about them. For every Katzenmoyer there is a Krentzel. It is a very good school (a heckuva lot larger than ND, though), with more graduate programs and a very good reputation for research.

All that said, fan arrogance knows know boundaries, and there are plenty in Buckeye Nation who expect them to swat us away like a fly. Plenty of Buckeye fans play the academics card as well vs. Notre Dame, saying our reputation exceeds our true academic standing, and so forth.

All I would say to Hamilton Buckeye is that the knife cuts both ways when it comes to online fan boards. For some, love of school can't be separated from bashing the other school--just ask any Buckeye about Michigan. If Hamilton wants to form his opinion of Notre Dame alumni and fans from a perusal of their fan sites, will he accept the same in return? Failing that, perhaps his OSU MD and UC MBA can inform him that his sample is likely not representative, and conclusions drawn from it are not necessarily valid.

 

[wahoo]

Living in Buckeye land, I have seen and heard posts which knock the Irish. The most common one is..the Irish don't deserve a BCS bid...they are just like the team Ty had his first year....blah...blah...blah.
When I saw the Irish play this year, I saw some of the confidence returning. When Charlie was hired, at first I though that perhaps ND has made a mistake. Now I am convinced that Charlie is going to lead this team to the top. I can think of no better way to start then by winning Jan 2!!!!!!
GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KMac151993]

It's just one guys opinion just like ours....there are good and bad fans on both sides, I think the bottom line is that these two story filled schools are going to meet in Arizona on Jan. 2nd in what should be a BCS classic.

 

[BGIF]

It's just one guys opinion just like ours....there are good and bad fans on both sides, I think the bottom line is that these two story filled schools are going to meet in Arizona on Jan. 2nd in what should be a BCS classic.

Hear! Hear!

 

[Domer95]

Just ANOTHER in a litany of reasons why we should NEVER EVER EVER join the Big Televen/1?

 

[Rip Rap]

While I agree that there are intelligent and likable people at OSU (and even in my office), the following points regarding the state of the academe should be recognized:

They constantly denigrate all OSU academic programs, both undergrad and grad.

Academic standards for their football players are non-existent. This is a well-documented reality. And there are only 7 schools in the country with worse graduation rates.

http://www.uiowa.edu/~aaupweb/documents/Washington Post Athletes Credit.pdf

They truly believe they are among the top 5 or 10 universities in academic and research in the country. That, my friend, is delusional. I agree that, on average, the typical domer undergrad had a higher GPA and SAT score than the typical OSU undergrad. But the overall size and scope/depth of OSU academics and research, especially at the graduate law, medicine, MBA, DDS, DVM, and engineering is superior at OSU. Both universities excel in their own fashion. OSU will never be inferior to ND re academics.

In research, no. Only a handful of private universities will ever be able to compete with state-funded science and engineering facilities. That is, however, the rightful subject of much political debate.

In humanities? Many-including myself-would never consider any overtly secular curriculum exeptional in this regard, regardless the 'rankings.' It would be interesting to see verification of OSU's claims to 'academic freedom' and 'diversity,' but I have little doubt classical and medieval thought is dismissed as the product of 'Dead White Men' by the vast majority of their faculty.

In professional studies? ND's programs are always near or at the top in regard to professional placement. That these programs are held in lower regard by academics likely boils down to residual anti-clericalist knownothingism.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

one generalization begats another. i love the ability of fans from every school to get offended by a statement by one person that generalizes another fan base, and the reaction is to rebuttal with the same generalized insult. why do people even care about this ridiculous banter???

my favorite insult is the "just look at their spelling on their blog" argument. we all do that, not really a good tell. all who are sucked into this stuff should be ashamed.