ISIS

[BobD]

Hey All,

Sorry to start another non-football thread, but I value the insights and opinions of this board and I thought I'd ask this before the season gets underway.

I believe that the situation in the middle east is dire. This ISIS group is very dangerous and the longer we wait to deal with it the worse it's going to be. How do you feel about it? I know the middle east has been a disaster for a long time, but ISIS' s rapid growth is IMHO the most dangerous situation we've been faced with there so far. Some believe this is part of a prophecy. I'm not one hundred percent sold on that, but I do think we will be facing a very violent and trying time soon.

I will post some links in this thread of things I've been reading, some reports, some speculation, some religious, some prophecy etc. I'm really interested in your thoughts even if it's just to tell me it's a stupid thread

Here is a link to the most information on this topic in one place:

ISISwatch



Thanks, Bob D
GO IRISH GO!

 

[BGIF]

ISIS is a threat to humanity but is not WW III.

23% of the world is Muslim but 20% of those are Shia which ISIS considers to be with the rest of the infidels. That leaves ISIS with a target market of 18% but the majority of Sunni's spread around the globe don't want an ISIS world either.

ISIS is as evil as the Nazi's but where or who is the Mussilini and the Tojo to form the Axis. There may be terrorist bombing worldwide but there won't be armies, navies, and air forces from around the globe fighting each other around the globe.

 

[BobD]

Islamic State Militants Executed 700 Tribe Members In Syria: Monitor

 

[NDRock]

Not sure but I do know that I've heard the same thing (prophesy stuff) my entire life, during every uptick in Middle East violence. As far as what to do? Who knows. Seems like our actions caused the instability that allowed ISIS to take over. Maybe we should stop getting involved as we don't seem to be able to "fix" anything. Maybe time to get back to our Conservative roots and become a little more "isolationist". I know it won't happen though.

 

[enrico514]

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[Irish YJ]

I prophesize an ISIS ass whoopin before too long to go along with another drawn out occupation, not the end of the world or beginning of WW3

 

[BobD]

Why a Belgian Chef Is Joining ISIS: 'Fighting Against Americans' - NBC News

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Why in the world would this start WWIII? A group of jihadist fucks won't start a nuclear war.

 

[IrishInFl]

 

[Crazy Balki]

ISIS is a threat to humanity but is not WW III.

23% of the world is Muslim but 20% of those are Shia which ISIS considers to be with the rest of the infidels. That leaves ISIS with a target market of 18% but the majority of Sunni's spread around the globe don't want an ISIS world either.

ISIS is as evil as the Nazi's but where or who is the Mussilini and the Tojo to form the Axis. There may be terrorist bombing worldwide but there won't be armies, navies, and air forces from around the globe fighting each other around the globe.

Definitely true. That being said, the requirement for armies, navies and air forces is unnecessary for terrorist squads. They know that nobody can beat the US in an arms race. That's why terrorist organizations use black ops tactics, and why the US is countering it with tactics of their own. Combat nowadays isn't conducted at sea or air anymore. It's in intimate, closed in towns and buildings.

As for the threat of WWIII. North Korea is and remains to be the closest thing to WWIII there is currently. They have the arms, the know how and worst of all, the little, insane man at the top to start something of this high of a magnitude.

 

[BobD]

Why in the world would this start WWIII? A group of jihadist fucks won't start a nuclear war.

They can take over an oil field and have the oil on the open market within a week. They have funding beyond anything AL Qaeda ever imagined. Some are speculating that some or at least someone running ISIS has war college training.

I don't know about WW III, but I'm convinced they are extremely dangerous and need to be placed at the top of our to-do list immediately.

 

[enrico514]

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[BobD]

Dabiq: The Strategic Messaging of the Islamic State | Institute for the Study of War

 

[BobD]

Bob have you ever looked into who has trained ISIS in the past and who has financed them?

Yes I know about the reports and speculation. I believe some and not others. We unfortunately seem to indirectly cause or at least fuel a lot of our own shit storms.

 

[Rizzophil]

Hey All,

Sorry to start another non-football thread, but I value the insights and opinions of this board and I thought I'd ask this before the season gets underway.

I believe that the situation in the middle east is dire. This ISIS group is very dangerous and the longer we wait to deal with it the worse it's going to be. How do you feel about it? I know the middle east has been a disaster for a long time, but ISIS' s rapid growth is IMHO the most dangerous situation we've been faced with there so far. Some believe this is part of a prophecy. I'm not one hundred percent sold on that, but I do think we will be facing a very violent and trying time soon.

I will post some links in this thread of things I've been reading, some reports, some speculation, some religious, some prophecy etc. I'm really interested in your thoughts even if it's just to tell me it's a stupid thread

Here is a link to the most information on this topic in one place:

ISISwatch



Thanks, Bob D
GO IRISH GO!

In my opinion, we aren't far away from WWIII. However, it's not just ISIS. A few key components (but not all) is the Palestine/Israel conflict, Russia and China still working together against the US, global debt spiraling out of control, and the US is forfeiting it's world super-power "cop" status. Buckle your seats belts and be prepared to help out people in need.

 

[Buster Bluth]

However, it's not just ISIS.

ISIS hasn't done anything against a real military. They've filled the void in a power vacuum (US' fault in Iraq, debatable for Syria), but that's it. Should the US or NATO decide to bring the heat, they're toast.

A few key components (but not all) is the Palestine/Israel conflict

How would that start World War III?

Russia and China still working together against the US,

I don't think that's an accurate statement, in terms of their overall goals. Russia's moves have been self-defeating, and China isn't exactly looking to get in bed with that sinking ship. Regardless, the US would wipe the floor with Russia and China. But the two aren't allies; China's destination is so much greater than Russia that it'd be foolish to withdraw from the global economy (as Russia has done to itself) to side with Putin.

China also as huge problems internally that will take another generation or two to solve, e.g. horrific pollution, income inequality, smart manufacturing destroying their manufacturing base, etc.

global debt spiraling out of control,

Please elaborate. For the US specifically, most of out $17 trillion is owed to Americans. We only owe like $1.2 trillion to China.

and the US is forfeiting it's world super-power "cop" status.

As we should be. There is no reason that we shouldn't be stepping back some and having our allies pick up some of the responsibility. The US doesn't need to have its nose in unimportant geopolitical maneuvering and/or basically serve as the world's navy. NATO, Japan, South Korea, etc can step up.

 

[BobD]

One big problem is we approach this as a political war and to them it's a holy war.

 

[tussin]

I don't see ISIS becoming a WW3 situation because they are a rogue organization supported by basically no one. Even Al Qaeda thinks they are too extreme.

 

[BobD]

I don't see ISIS becoming a WW3 situation because they are a rogue organization supported by basically no one. Even Al Qaeda thinks they are too extreme.

I don't think you realize how amateur AL-Qaeda looks compared to ISIS.

 

[enrico514]

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[BobD]

I don't think most people realize their goal isn't a land grab, global recognition and coexistence. Their goal is to kill us. They feel it is their duty. Every week they are allowed to hold that real estate things become more dangerous for us.

 

[frankygoes69]

WWIII, no! ISIS will not be the cause of WWIII and the reason is because they are like so many before them, a faction. Now, if they become backed (officially) by a country, then we can start the talk of WWIII. Even then, no.

ISIS is like a Influenza and we have the technology to stop it with shots, no pun intended. They are a virus that will either be eradicated or continue to an issue for one season.

 

[enrico514]

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[Irish#1]

I don't think you realize how amateur AL-Qaeda looks compared to ISIS.

Not sure I agree with this. Al-Qaeda simply likes to do their damage in a more secretive manner.

I don't think most people realize their goal isn't a land grab, global recognition and coexistence. Their goal is to kill us. They feel it is their duty. Every week they are allowed to hold that real estate things become more dangerous for us.

You can say the same thing about all Muslim militants. What they are doing is terrible. If they go too far, you'll see the UN decide on military action.

 

[BobD]

Not sure I agree with this. Al-Qaeda simply likes to do their damage in a more secretive manner.

That's because they haven't pulled off a big deadly attack here in the US YET. One of the many things that make them so much more dangerous is they supposedly have quite a few American members. No need to smuggle in terrorist if they're already here or have citizenship. Once we start to hurt them militarily we will have to be super vigilant here at home.

You can say the same thing about all Muslim militants. What they are doing is terrible. If they go too far, you'll see the UN decide on military action.

I hope we don't wait on the UN

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Why in the world would this start WWIII? A group of jihadist fucks won't start a nuclear war.

WWIII won't be started by ISIS, but given recent history what would prevent a few of those bastards from contracting ebola and simply walking across our border to spread it? They want to be martyrs and kill as many infidels as possible. And I dont think we'd be able to handle it.

 

[frankygoes69]

Then there might not be anyone to look at them as martyrs if they spread it throughout the whole world.

 

[Buster Bluth]

One big problem is we approach this as a political war and to them it's a holy war.

Many in the Musliam community are quick to say that it's a political war over there too, all of it. Religion is just how it's sold to the masses.

I agree with not being a WW3 situation but you are kidding yourself if you think they are supported by no one.

Well, if Iran and the United States are working together on this one, it says something about how disliked ISIS is.

No one in the middle east, with power, supports them. Iraq? No. Jordan? No. Syria? No. Turkey? No. Saudi Arabia? No.

I don't think most people realize their goal isn't a land grab, global recognition and coexistence. Their goal is to kill us. They feel it is their duty. Every week they are allowed to hold that real estate things become more dangerous for us.

"more dangerous for us" kinda seems alarmist to me, and I'm on record saying that I want these pieces of shit butchered. They have an impossibly long way to go before they become an existential threat to the United States or the Western world.

How so?

Because geopolitics is all economics.

Russia has severely damaged their reputation around the world, even with China (which does a lot of work in Ukraine apparently). We live in a global economy and you cannot be a great country without excelling in it. Invading the Ukraine, funding rebels in the Ukraine, and shooting down passenger jets with hundreds of Europeans on them is no way to facilitate trade and economic progress, not when economies depend on import/export and international banking.

In an economic stand off with the west, Russia is so much more to lose it's not even funny. They will see food shortage threats and food prices rise this winter, guaranteed. Economic growth will slow to a crawl because of Russia's returned sanctions, and the (extremely powerful) billionaires in Russia will get antsy. Interest rates will rise, spending will fall, and he economy will stall.

The IMF projects .2% growth for Russia this year. They aren't the US (ie developed economy), they are a developing country and need rates much higher than that.

Then throw in that the invasion of Ukraine cost them an immediate $50 billion, and yeah Putin isn't doing Russia any favors.

 

[tussin]

They are hyper violent, but are only around 4,000 strong right now. One well placed series of air strikes could do MASSIVE damage to their organization.

 

[frankygoes69]

Russia is not a developing county it is a re-structuring country and .2% might be a little too low considering they do not have the restrictions/embargos that other countries have.