Is Dayne Crist the Problem?

[CanadianIrish]

After the Purdue game I said Dayne's accuracy was a serious problem and people criticized me for a variety of things and I simply let it go. Now, six weeks later, it's time to face facts. Dayne couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. His TD throw to Floyd was brutally under thrown, he missed numerous wide open receivers, and even the announcers were commenting on this. The problem with this team isn't the receivers, the line or even the defence - it's the quarterback. We haven't had a quarterback play this poorly since Quinn's first season, and maybe earlier.

Look back at the losses and think what would have happened with one or two more accurate throws. We're 5-1 going into this week if Dayne is an accurate QB. How many easy throws has he missed?

People need to stop making silly jokes with his name and realize his accuracy is a serious problem and it's holding this team back in a big way. The big concern is that we haven't addressed this issue at all. We have no QBs coming in this year and the recruits from last year are largely caretakers.

So come 2012, we have Andrew Hendrix leading the team against a crucible of a schedule and Dayne tossing balls around with no accuracy until then. Really hard to think things are looking up right now ...

 

[bornready85]

Looking back on the losses...They have up around 1000 combined yards to MSU and Michigan.

His accuracy does blow when throwing on the run(which is magnified when the o line isn't playing well)...but he isn't playing nearly as poorly as you think. He's simply average which is exactly what Jimmy was prior to that bowl game against Hawaii and what Quinn was prior to his 3rd year. He's on pace for around 25-30 total touchdowns and under 10 interceptions. Try watching a Florida,UCLA,or Tennessee game if you want to see a team with a "serious problem" @ starting QB.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

After the Purdue game I said Dayne's accuracy was a serious problem and people criticized me for a variety of things and I simply let it go. Now, six weeks later, it's time to face facts. Dayne couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. His TD throw to Floyd was brutally under thrown, he missed numerous wide open receivers, and even the announcers were commenting on this. The problem with this team isn't the receivers, the line or even the defence - it's the quarterback. We haven't had a quarterback play this poorly since Quinn's first season, and maybe earlier.

Look back at the losses and think what would have happened with one or two more accurate throws. We're 5-1 going into this week if Dayne is an accurate QB. How many easy throws has he missed?

People need to stop making silly jokes with his name and realize his accuracy is a serious problem and it's holding this team back in a big way. The big concern is that we haven't addressed this issue at all. We have no QBs coming in this year and the recruits from last year are largely caretakers.

So come 2012, we have Andrew Hendrix leading the team against a crucible of a schedule and Dayne tossing balls around with no accuracy until then. Really hard to think things are looking up right now ...

No, it is time to admit that you have a serious problem forming a rational thought. 18 of 28, 255 yds and 3 td's, yea that's a problem. Also a guy that has completed nearly 60% of his passes, thrown for over 1800 yards and 14 scores, not to mention a few running td's, through the first 7 games of his college career, all while learning a system he has never played before. The real problem is this site allowing posts like that one.

 

[IrishLax]

No, it is time to admit that you have a serious problem forming a rational thought. 18 of 28, 255 yds and 3 td's, yea that's a problem. Also a guy that has completed nearly 60% of his passes, thrown for over 1800 yards and 14 scores, not to mention a few running td's, through the first 7 games of his college career, all while learning a system he has never played before. The real problem is this site allowing posts like that one.

LOL you saved me a lot of typing... I was going to echo that. Some people seriously just don't get it.

 

[KPENN]

No, it is time to admit that you have a serious problem forming a rational thought. 18 of 28, 255 yds and 3 td's, yea that's a problem. Also a guy that has completed nearly 60% of his passes, thrown for over 1800 yards and 14 scores, not to mention a few running td's, through the first 7 games of his college career, all while learning a system he has never played before. The real problem is this site allowing posts like that one.

Boom!!!!

 

[Honey Nut Irish]

No, it is time to admit that you have a serious problem forming a rational thought. 18 of 28, 255 yds and 3 td's, yea that's a problem. Also a guy that has completed nearly 60% of his passes, thrown for over 1800 yards and 14 scores, not to mention a few running td's, through the first 7 games of his college career, all while learning a system he has never played before. The real problem is this site allowing posts like that one.

Word up

 

[Riddickulous]

Dayne Crist is good, just inconsistent. When he's on (see the second half of the Michigan State game), he's really, really good. When he's off, he's really, really bad.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

After the Purdue game I said Dayne's accuracy was a serious problem and people criticized me for a variety of things and I simply let it go. Now, six weeks later, it's time to face facts. Dayne couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. His TD throw to Floyd was brutally under thrown, he missed numerous wide open receivers, and even the announcers were commenting on this. The problem with this team isn't the receivers, the line or even the defence - it's the quarterback. We haven't had a quarterback play this poorly since Quinn's first season, and maybe earlier.

Look back at the losses and think what would have happened with one or two more accurate throws. We're 5-1 going into this week if Dayne is an accurate QB. How many easy throws has he missed?

People need to stop making silly jokes with his name and realize his accuracy is a serious problem and it's holding this team back in a big way. The big concern is that we haven't addressed this issue at all. We have no QBs coming in this year and the recruits from last year are largely caretakers.

So come 2012, we have Andrew Hendrix leading the team against a crucible of a schedule and Dayne tossing balls around with no accuracy until then. Really hard to think things are looking up right now ...

He's managing the game like he's supposed to be doing.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Remember when the rally cry was bench Jimmy Clausen? lol people aren't Heisman trophy winners right out of the gate.

 

[footballinsiders]

I will say that he has missed passes that he should of hit, but the foot work in this style of offense is different then your normal pro style he has probably ran since he was 10. Over time he will become more comfortable with the foot work and connect on the throws he is missing right now. He is doing a great job though. I like him as the Quarterback at Notre Dame.

 

[phork]

First year starting in a new system. He is going to be fine guys.

PS: Nothing to see here, move on.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Can this thread be locked to save us all from catching stupidity?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Curious, and nothing personal intended at anyone, but I wonder how many people that would jump on the initial post also condone the yelling Kelly does at Crist. The way Kelly goes off, you would think he is the one who started this thread.

Remember, this is a written forum. In the "real world", I have heard the exact same sentiments by "fans."

Personally, I think Crist is in a very tough situation, given the tough schedule they have played and this being his first season in a new system. But I too have questioned some of his bonehead decisions and throws. Of course he will get better, but I am kind of thinking Kelly has dropped too much on his plate. I wish Kelly would lay off just a bit. It's tough enough to be in Crist's situation, much less have a coach calling you out on national TV. And I'm not one of those who thinks yelling at an athlete just to yell makes a guy tougher.

That's just my opinion right now. It might change in an hour or two. Look for updates.

 

[jason_h537]

Crist will be a stud, stop looking for instant fixes on a .500 team. There are several teams in the top 25 who would kill to have him. The reason we are 4-3 as opposed to 6-1 is not Crist. ITS PENALTIES AND TURNOVERS STUPID.

 

[KPENN]

Curious, and nothing personal intended at anyone, but I wonder how many people that would jump on the initial post also condone the yelling Kelly does at Crist. The way Kelly goes off, you would think he is the one who started this thread.

Remember, this is a written forum. In the "real world", I have heard the exact same sentiments by "fans."

Personally, I think Crist is in a very tough situation, given the tough schedule they have played and this being his first season in a new system. But I too have questioned some of his bonehead decisions and throws. Of course he will get better, but I am kind of thinking Kelly has dropped too much on his plate. I wish Kelly would lay off just a bit. It's tough enough to be in Crist's situation, much less have a coach calling you out on national TV. And I'm not one of those who thinks yelling at an athlete just to yell makes a guy tougher.

I don't get why you have such a problem with him telling at him. First off Dayne signs on to play at ND so I doubt it really bothers him. Plus this isn't pee-we'd when the coach is there volunteering to help out, this is Kelly's job. He needs to get the most out of his players and that's how he thinks he can get across to his players.

Weis was pretty calm on the sidelines and it got him places at ND. I could see this point at any level below this, but this is division 1 football

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Crist will be a stud, stop looking for instant fixes on a .500 team. There are several teams in the top 25 who would kill to have him. The reason we are 4-3 as opposed to 6-1 is not Crist. ITS PENALTIES AND TURNOVERS STUPID.

^^This

 

[IrishInColumbus]

1,855 yards and 14 touchdowns with 5 interceptions.....That's just fine for seven games! He's is wear Clausen was his Sophomore year. Just relax, he is fine now and will be greatly improved after an entire off-season.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I don't get why you have such a problem with him telling at him. First off Dayne signs on to play at ND so I doubt it really bothers him. Plus this isn't pee-we'd when the coach is there volunteering to help out, this is Kelly's job. He needs to get the most out of his players and that's how he thinks he can get across to his players.

Weis was pretty calm on the sidelines and it got him places at ND. I could see this point at any level below this, but this is division 1 football

Well, for one, because I've been on all sides of the ball at several levels. P.M. me if you want more details...

So to answer my question, I guess you also condone the initial post. If the coach can bash his QB on national TV, then we can bash an athlete on a forum. No problem. He's a man and knows that getting smothered on a forum is cool, because he is not playing peewee football, and it is our right as posters to try and make him tougher. I like that logic.

Let me simplify things for you. If you are teaching a kid how to tell time, do you yell at him in front of his classmates when he doesn't understand the concept of 60 seconds equals one minute, or do you work with him for a while until he grasps the concept?

Holtz yelled at his athletes a few times after dumb penalties.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

1,855 yards and 14 touchdowns with 5 interceptions.....That's just fine for seven games! He's is wear Clausen was his Sophomore year. Just relax, he is fine now and will be greatly improved after an entire off-season.

Actually, no, he's way ahead of Clausen in his sophomore year. Clausen threw 21 TDs and had 17 INTs that year. After seven games, he had 1832 yards, 15 TDs, and 9 INTs.

Seriously. I just did the math.

 

[DirtySecret]

No, it is time to admit that you have a serious problem forming a rational thought. 18 of 28, 255 yds and 3 td's, yea that's a problem. Also a guy that has completed nearly 60% of his passes, thrown for over 1800 yards and 14 scores, not to mention a few running td's, through the first 7 games of his college career, all while learning a system he has never played before. The real problem is this site allowing posts like that one.

Stats don't mean much..

 

[military_irish]

Well, for one, because I've been on all sides of the ball at several levels. P.M. me if you want more details...

So to answer my question, I guess you also condone the initial post. If the coach can bash his QB on national TV, then we can bash an athlete on a forum. No problem. He's a man and knows that getting smothered on a forum is cool, because he is not playing peewee football, and it is our right as posters to try and make him tougher. I like that logic.

Let me simplify things for you. If you are teaching a kid how to tell time, do you yell at him in front of his classmates when he doesn't understand the concept of 60 seconds equals one minute, or do you work with him for a while until he grasps the concept?

Holtz yelled at his athletes a few times after dumb penalties.

you know i agree with you most of the time, and we have no problems. But teaching someone to tell time, is not the same. In the sense that, I am sure they call plays that the offense as a whole can run. So if in practice they run it perfectly and score everytime. Then they get in the game and have a hard time to fully run the play the way it is meant to be run, I can fully understand why BK would get on their case.

And you can't coddle players if you want the most out of them, maybe it's just the military coming out in me. But if a player messes up and you speak to them softly and tell them everything will be ok next time, they won't get the idea. But if you get into them real good, next time they are presented with a similiar situation they will have that voice in the back of their head knowing what to do.

Just my two cents.

 

[KPENN]

Well, for one, because I've been on all sides of the ball at several levels. P.M. me if you want more details...

So to answer my question, I guess you also condone the initial post. If the coach can bash his QB on national TV, then we can bash an athlete on a forum. No problem. He's a man and knows that getting smothered on a forum is cool, because he is not playing peewee football, and it is our right as posters to try and make him tougher. I like that logic.

Let me simplify things for you. If you are teaching a kid how to tell time, do you yell at him in front of his classmates when he doesn't understand the concept of 60 seconds equals one minute, or do you work with him for a while until he grasps the concept?

Holtz yelled at his athletes a few times after dumb penalties.

There is a huge huge difference between some guy on a forum writing out a paragraph and saying your the problem on the team and a head coach yelling at one of his players. IMO your pretty far off base with that argument.

 

[DirtySecret]

you know i agree with you most of the time, and we have no problems. But teaching someone to tell time, is not the same. In the sense that, I am sure they call plays that the offense as a whole can run. So if in practice they run it perfectly and score everytime. Then they get in the game and have a hard time to fully run the play the way it is meant to be run, I can fully understand why BK would get on their case.

And you can't coddle players if you want the most out of them, maybe it's just the military coming out in me. But if a player messes up and you speak to them softly and tell them everything will be ok next time, they won't get the idea. But if you get into them real good, next time they are presented with a similiar situation they will have that voice in the back of their head knowing what to do.

Just my two cents.

Jim Tressell has no problem with it, well, I wouldn't say coddle but he doesn't yell at them. How it working for him?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I, for one, don't think that you need to yell at a kid like Dayne. He's incredibly motivated, that much is clear. Yelling helps for players who aren't living up to their potential or aren't motivated.

That said, I also think that BK loves him. Dayne knows that. So, yelling probably doesn't kill his spirit much.

I'm a Kansas Jayhawk fan. This isn't the same thing as Mark Mangino screaming at his kids...trust me.

It's all about results...and Dayne continues to improve.

 

[military_irish]

Jim Tressell has no problem with it, well, I wouldn't say coddle but he doesn't yell at them. How it working for him?

They are a good team but i would say they are one of the more overrated teams of the 2000's.

The strong point about his teams are they beat the teams they are suppose to which is almost 10 every year. They are lucky to be in Ohio which develops alot talent. So they already have a leg up.

But i give him respect. I still don't think "coddling" is the best way

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

you know i agree with you most of the time, and we have no problems. But teaching someone to tell time, is not the same. In the sense that, I am sure they call plays that the offense as a whole can run. So if in practice they run it perfectly and score everytime. Then they get in the game and have a hard time to fully run the play the way it is meant to be run, I can fully understand why BK would get on their case.

And you can't coddle players if you want the most out of them, maybe it's just the military coming out in me. But if a player messes up and you speak to them softly and tell them everything will be ok next time, they won't get the idea. But if you get into them real good, next time they are presented with a similiar situation they will have that voice in the back of their head knowing what to do.

Just my two cents.

Believe me buddy, other coaches laughed at my military style coaching. And coddling is not the opposite of yelling just to yell out of frustration. Coaches are teachers first. And there is a difference between yelling while teaching and yelling while calling the athlete a punk.

Now, I have watched replays on a couple of games that I recorded, and noticed on several blitzes that ALL the receivers had their backs turned to the QB, and there was nothing Dayne could do. So should the coach yell at him because coach is frustrated, or should coach ask the pressbox what the hell is going on? Should the coach, maybe, heaven forbid, change the snap count?

And KPENN, it's "you're" not "your."

(Just a discussion folks. In the "real world" nobody I know has even brought up the topic of coaches yelling...)

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Now, I have watched replays on a couple of games that I recorded, and noticed on several blitzes that ALL the receivers had their backs turned to the QB, and there was nothing Dayne could do. So should the coach yell at him because coach is frustrated, or should coach ask the pressbox what the hell is going on? Should the coach, maybe, heaven forbid, change the snap count?

And KPENN, it's "you're" not "your."

(Just a discussion folks. In the "real world" nobody I know has even brought up the topic of coaches yelling...)

You break down film? Dang...your (actually, you're) a really big dork.

 

[DirtySecret]

You break down film? Dang...your (actually, you're) a really big dork.

Says the silly rabbit posting on a message board..

 

[PapaIrish37]

First year starting in a new system. He is going to be fine guys.

PS: Nothing to see here, move on.

Couldn't have said it better. Canadian Irish, can you give us some commentary on Jeff Jackson's boys?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

You break down film? Dang...your (actually, you're) a really big dork.

LOL. No, not anymore, but I used to at a psychotic level before I gave it up. I'v recorded a couple of games this year and went back and checked out some plays, but that's about it.

And KPENN, what's the difference between a written paragraph and a coach on national TV? As you say, this isn't peewee, and it should only make them tougher manly men because they knew what they were getting into. No coddling. They should take it like a man.

Besides, mods can delete posts.

(again, just discussion... but it's time for me to go to the church party. Free hot dogs!)