Irish in BCS

[buckeyebacker]

This has nothing to do with my Ohio State background, I just want to ask you guys this question, because I respect your humble opinions.....Did the Irish belong in a BCS game this season? I don't want to hear they finished in this or that postion, I just want to know if you guys think that they DESERVED to be where they were....again, I'm not trying to start anything, just get some conversation going, if anyone takes offense then I apologize ahead of time...

 

[ten]

This has nothing to do with my Ohio State background, I just want to ask you guys this question, because I respect your humble opinions.....Did the Irish belong in a BCS game this season? I don't want to hear they finished in this or that postion, I just want to know if you guys think that they DESERVED to be where they were....again, I'm not trying to start anything, just get some conversation going, if anyone takes offense then I apologize ahead of time...

probably not.
I know alot of us were hounding a few oregon guys last year about the beating that usc gave them in thier ONE loss.We were saying that notre dame deserved a bcs bowl bid more then they did becasue notre dame didn't get blown out by anybody and all.(kinda hard to swallow after this years michigan and usc)
I just dreaded them playing lsu.I really don't think alot of people knew how good lsu really is.You can look at the florida game and justify anything you want,but that game could have gone either way.The auburn game was the same way.I guess that's why we play the games.LSU is the best team in the sec.
I dreaded playing oregon state in the fiesta bowl a few years back for the same reason.Oregon state that year was a blocked field goal away from winning the national championship.

Would it have been better if notre dame played arkansas,wake forest,louisville,or even boise state in a bcs bowl?
probably so...

you can't pick who you get to play can you?(that's a rhetorical question)

 

[SBDomer]

No..................no Excuses

 

[BGIF]

... I don't want to hear they finished in this or that postion, I just want to know if you guys think that they DESERVED to be where they were...

Finishing in that position says they deserved to be there, backer.

IF you don't like the BCS system tell your AD, Tressel, and President to change the selection procedures. tOSU voted for this arrangement.

ND deserved to be there. And the way ND played tonight, ND deserved to get beaten soundly. And ND was.

I can think of a lot of SuperBowls where the losing team was beaten badly but they all earned their way there. They qualified to be there just as ND did.

If you don't want to hear it, tell it to Columbus.

 

[buckeyebacker]

Finishing in that position says they deserved to be there, backer.

IF you don't like the BCS system tell your AD, Tressel, and President to change the selection procedures. tOSU voted for this arrangement.

ND deserved to be there. And the way ND played tonight, ND deserved to get beaten soundly. And ND was.

I can think of a lot of SuperBowls where the losing team was beaten badly but they all earned their way there. They qualified to be there just as ND did.

If you don't want to hear it, tell it to Columbus.

Hey hey hey.....chill out man, I never once said that they didnt deserve to be there, I said finishing positioning aside, did they deserve to be there? Just chill, I was trying to start a discussion and nothing more, like I said, if I pissed anyone off by the question then sorry, but I was just curious, since you guys know your team better than I do....sorry BGIF

 

[BGIF]

Hey hey hey.....chill out man, I never once said that they didnt deserve to be there, I said finishing positioning aside, did they deserve to be there? Just chill, I was trying to start a discussion and nothing more, like I said, if I pissed anyone off by the question then sorry, but I was just curious, since you guys know your team better than I do....sorry BGIF

No offense taken backer, as I just told you in a pm. Thanks for sending one.

You asked if we thought ND deserved to be there

.....Did the Irish belong in a BCS game this season? I don't want to hear they finished in this or that postion, I just want to know if you guys think that they DESERVED to be where they were

According to the BCS rules (promulgated by the Majors Conferences and ND) ND earned the right to be there. Just as FSU did some years ago although they lost 4 games. It's the rules.

Long before the SuperBowl, two teams played for the NFL Championship. In 1940 the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins in what has been described charitably as the most decisive victory in championship history. Despite the trouncing the Redskins deserved to be there because they qualified by the rules to be there.

I'm serious if you don't like the BCS Selection Process (and many don't) voice it to your school so it can be changed.

Good luck against the Gators!

 

[buckeyebacker]

No offense taken backer, as I just told you in a pm. Thanks for sending one.

You asked if we thought ND deserved to be there

According to the BCS rules (promulgated by the Majors Conferences and ND) ND earned the right to be there. Just as FSU did some years ago although they lost 4 games. It's the rules.

Long before the SuperBowl, two teams played for the NFL Championship. In 1940 the Chicago Bears beat the Washington Redskins in what has been described charitably as the most decisive victory in championship history. Despite the trouncing the Redskins deserved to be there because they qualified by the rules to be there.

I'm serious if you don't like the BCS Selection Process (and many don't) voice it to your school so it can be changed.

Good luck against the Gators!

Fair enough...I recognize your points you brought up, the rules need to be changed in my humble opinion about how teams "qualify" for the BCS games (and no, it has nothing to do with how ND got in, they deserved it by the rules set forth)

Thanks for well wishes against the Gators, seems as though they are the same type of team as Ohio State in 2002, hopefully we can bring on back to Columbus, and not send it down to Gainesville with that Urban guy....

 

[Nardo!]

It doesn't matter what Bowl ND is in outside of the national championship, we will be in over our heads. ND is a cash cow that will be exploited for the benefit of the Bowl, so they will be taken at any opportunity, be it BCS, Gator, Insight, whatever. The fact is, we're going to be outmatched in most bowl games. That's the nature of the beast and something we're going to have to live with.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

of the teams eligible, yes ND deserved to be in a BCS bowl....

Who would have deserved it more..(that was eligible)?????? VaTech????

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

of the teams eligible, yes ND deserved to be in a BCS bowl....

Who would have deserved it more..(that was eligible)?????? VaTech????

It was us or WVU...can't say WVU would have done better.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

It was us or WVU...can't say WVU would have done better.

I think most mountaineer fans would be thinking they could have done a better job with the way walker ran in the first half.
I just think that slaton,white, and that schmit guy(came on strong against tech) would have been shut down by lsu.I think their pass offense is a little to ineffective for lsu to not guess the running game from them most of the time.
I also think that is why notre dame's running game was great the first half.Miles knew if notre dame got behind they would abandon the running game and go to the pass.When walker started running it caught them off guard.

lsu was just one of those teams that noone had any business playing this year esp. in new orleans.
NARDO,there will be another day when notre dame isn't outmatched in a bcs game.

 

[solo]

This has nothing to do with my Ohio State background, I just want to ask you guys this question, because I respect your humble opinions.....Did the Irish belong in a BCS game this season? I don't want to hear they finished in this or that postion, I just want to know if you guys think that they DESERVED to be where they were....again, I'm not trying to start anything, just get some conversation going, if anyone takes offense then I apologize ahead of time...

1. There weren't 10 top notch teams out there to play in the BCS games. The only other team that qualified was West Va. They probably would have gotten whipped too. So ND had just as good of a season as WVU.

2. What does "deserve a bowl game" mean? The bowls are post season exhibition games designed to make money. The people that run the bowls could care less about pairing up teams that will be competitive. In the last 7 years I have seen the Big East, Pac 10, and now ACC send teams that weren't very good to BCS bowls. And yes, in every instance ND has gone to a BCS game since the BCS inception, ND has also not been a great team.

 

[irish4life99]

This has nothing to do with my Ohio State background, I just want to ask you guys this question, because I respect your humble opinions.....Did the Irish belong in a BCS game this season? I don't want to hear they finished in this or that postion, I just want to know if you guys think that they DESERVED to be where they were....again, I'm not trying to start anything, just get some conversation going, if anyone takes offense then I apologize ahead of time...

I appreciate you wording this so delicately, and I really don't think you are trying to flame this board. Before, I argued the reasons that ND belonged but kind of knew that we were in over our heads. I was hoping that we would have at least been compatative, but after last nights dismantaling I thinks it's quite obvious to all but the most blind homers that we had no business in the BCS.

ND is a HUGE national draw and the bowl games are about $$ and ND can bring the ratings and fans. It's a good reason why ND has dropped 9 straight. They have been a mediocre team for over a decade and always put in bowls way over their heads.

 

[NDOM]

This has nothing to do with my Ohio State background, I just want to ask you guys this question, because I respect your humble opinions.....Did the Irish belong in a BCS game this season? I don't want to hear they finished in this or that postion, I just want to know if you guys think that they DESERVED to be where they were....again, I'm not trying to start anything, just get some conversation going, if anyone takes offense then I apologize ahead of time...

Absolutely not at all. They didnt belong anywhere near a bcs game. The meineke car care bowl is where Notre Dame belonged.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

I agree, that after seeing the performance last night, there is no way we should have been playing LSU. Prior to the selection day, ND and WVU were the only eligible teams. Was ND ranked higher than they should have been all year. Possibly. This years team is an enigma outright and i will ponder wtf happened for many a year. There was no reason for us to play the way we did all year.

As this was the last game for ND to show what the legacy of this group of players was going to be, I think it safe to say the legacy we now realize stings a bit.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Even after last night, I will actually say yes. To me, its not about how they actually played in the bowl game b/c you can never predict that. You have to look at what the situation was at the end of the regular season.

And at the end of the regular season it was them or WVU. Both 10-2 teams. One had 2 losses against a pair of top-10 teams. The other lost to Louisville (who's good, but not as good as either of the 2 teams ND lost to, imo) and USF. As far as greatest quality win, WVU's were Rutgers (at home), Georgia Tech (at home), and I guess Cincinatti (at home). ND's were G. Tech (@ Tech), PSU (at home), and UCLA (at home-and remember, when the selections were made that was a UCLA team that'd just beaten USC). I think there's a slight edge there in terms of quality wins in favor of ND, they had the same record as previously alluded to, ND's losses were against better teams, and ND's Sagarin SOS overall was much higher than WVU's.

All-in-all I just think ND had the better regular season. If you want to make an arguement that Slaton & White could've done more based on what Walker did, that's fine, but to me who belongs where isn't about that. Teams to me should get in based on what they actually did in the regular season, not who has what players, or who is percieved as "better" despite similar or worse records, who is percieved as being able to be more "competitive" in the game. If you're gonna do that, then throw out conference tie-ins, b/c I can name a few teams I think were better that OU or Wake Forest this year that weren't playing in BCS games.

So yeah, ND to me "deserved" to be there, in the sense that they were the best of what was left in this year's BCS. If the system allowed for 3 teams from a conference to get in, then I might've felt differently, but it doesn't.

 

[solo]

I agree, that after seeing the performance last night, there is no way we should have been playing LSU. Prior to the selection day, ND and WVU were the only eligible teams. Was ND ranked higher than they should have been all year. Possibly. This years team is an enigma outright and i will ponder wtf happened for many a year. There was no reason for us to play the way we did all year.

As this was the last game for ND to show what the legacy of this group of players was going to be, I think it safe to say the legacy we now realize stings a bit.

I would like to offer you a different opnion/way of looking at it.

If you qualify for a BCS bowl, then you deserve one. So ND was deserving as was West Va. But there was only room for one of us.

Why do I say that? I say that because the BCS doesn't care about pairing up competitive games. Other than matching #1 vs #2, the BCS bowls are all about money. Did the bowl sell out and get good ratings? The it was a success. End of story.

As bowl games are merely post season exhibition games to generate revenue (always have been), the BCS decided to lay out a criteria for teams to qualify to be selected. The BCS has chosen a set of standards. If you meet those standards, you are elegible and hence "worthy" of a BCS bid.

So in my opinion, every team that qualifies is deserving. If not, then we need to re-evaluate the standards by which a team qualifies.

PS...How often has the Pac 10, ACC, or Big East sent a less than spectacular team to a BCS game? It happens.

 

[njuneardave]

per the BCS rules, we deserved it.

per talent and performance, we did not.


this system is governed by a set of rules, and by these rules, ND was the most qualified candidate... so we deserved it. if the rules were not set in place, ND didn't deserve to even sniff the field.

 

[BleedinOrange]

per the BCS rules, we deserved it.

per talent and performance, we did not.


this system is governed by a set of rules, and by these rules, ND was the most qualified candidate... so we deserved it. if the rules were not set in place, ND didn't deserve to even sniff the field.

I would have liked to see Virginia Tech play LSU.........

 

[Satans Little Helper]

I would like to offer you a different opnion/way of looking at it.

If you qualify for a BCS bowl, then you deserve one. So ND was deserving as was West Va. But there was only room for one of us.

Why do I say that? I say that because the BCS doesn't care about pairing up competitive games. Other than matching #1 vs #2, the BCS bowls are all about money. Did the bowl sell out and get good ratings? The it was a success. End of story.

As bowl games are merely post season exhibition games to generate revenue (always have been), the BCS decided to lay out a criteria for teams to qualify to be selected. The BCS has chosen a set of standards. If you meet those standards, you are elegible and hence "worthy" of a BCS bid.

So in my opinion, every team that qualifies is deserving. If not, then we need to re-evaluate the standards by which a team qualifies.

PS...How often has the Pac 10, ACC, or Big East sent a less than spectacular team to a BCS game? It happens.

I agree with you but it truly is just semantics. Deserving as you put it is literal, i think what the original poster and i meant is a subjective form as in was ND's ranking justifiable enough to qualify for the BCS. IMO they were not a BCS caliber team. Most people outside of the ND fanbase would agree that ND was way over-rated especially to begin the season. Now as we lost badly to the only two top ranked teams prior to the bowl, was our ranking at 11 justifed? Now i dont think so. Prior to the bowl game i could see both sides of it. We really did not beat anyone this year. That is all i am saying. In a literal sense, we deserved it bcecause we were ranked where we were and no one else qualified ( but WVU). Subjectively, were we a 11th ranked team? I think there is some argument there.

 

[solo]

I would have liked to see Virginia Tech play LSU.........

VT would have gotten pounded by LSU, so would WVU. I think Wisonsin-LSU would have been a good game. I think an LSU-Auburn rematch would have been a good game. Unfortunately, those teams did not qualify per BCS rules. Personally, I think anyone inside the BCS top 10 could have given LSU a good game. But I don't think any of the teams outside the BCS top 10 would have.

 

[BleedinOrange]

VT would have gotten pounded by LSU, so would WVU. I think Wisonsin-LSU would have been a good game. I think an LSU-Auburn rematch would have been a good game. Unfortunately, those teams did not qualify per BCS rules. Personally, I think anyone inside the BCS top 10 could have given LSU a good game. But I don't think any of the teams outside the BCS top 10 would have.

Why would Virginia Tech have gotten pounded by LSU? I guarantee the score wouldn't have been 41-14, making most people turn it off with a quarter left to play...

 

[scooper]

Why would Virginia Tech have gotten pounded by LSU? I guarantee the score wouldn't have been 41-14, making most people turn it off with a quarter left to play...

I hope you did turn it off. You certainly had homework to do. Third grade is a tough year. Though I'm sure you're doing better, this being your third time around and all. Fucking troll.

 

[BGIF]

I would have liked to see Virginia Tech play LSU.........

Mrs Beamer, shoulding you be making dinner for Frank?