Interesting Realignment Idea

[phork]

Big Ten, Pac-10 expansion could quiet BCS critics - Andy Staples - SI.com

Missouri to the Big10+2 and TCU to fill its spot in the Big12...

 

[jason_h537]

Schools like TCU, Boise and Utah would flourish in a BCS conference but its unlikely. THey keep complaining about how much harder it is for the SECand Big 12 because of the conference chamionshps, but they adeed it for financial gain not added competition

 

[BGIF]

Schools like TCU, Boise and Utah would flourish in a BCS conference but its unlikely. THey keep complaining about how much harder it is for the SECand Big 12 because of the conference chamionshps, but they adeed it for financial gain not added competition

I'm not so sure they would. BSU might beat a UW or WSU in a given year. Let them play USC, CAL, ASU, and SU as well. It's one thing to suprise a BCS prime time team in a bowl game. It's another to have to face a half dozen or more games a year against the like of UTX, NU, OU, OKS, etc. The mid level A&Ms and others still have bigger boys and the poundings (injuries) mount up over the season.

FSU flourished for many years on the ACC but the league's caught up. But contrast PSU was more dominant as an Independent paying Syracuse and Rutgers then UM, OSU, WIS, MSU, etc.

The Conference championship game is tougher motif is a scam to actually water down the entire league's scedule. Only the top two teams square off so there's actually only one more loss for the entire conference while the rest of the conference teams can all add a couple more wins and eliminate a bunch of losses by playing fewer conference games (where every win means another conference team loses).

They don't NEED it for financial gain. Former SEC Commissioner Roy Kramer was a big admirer of Gordon Gecko. "Greed is Good!"

 

[phork]

I'm not sure about that... Utah bitch slapped Alabama like it was nothing.

 

[BGIF]

I'm not sure about that... Utah bitch slapped Alabama like it was nothing.

You underscore my point. It was a bowl game, wasn't it?

You are aware that Bama's bowl record for the past 8 years is 3-5. They haven't exactly played inspired ball in the post season of late have they? Regardless of coach.

BTW, just how many points did the Utes bitch slap Navy by in the bowl game the year before?


Let the UTEs play Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi AND Alabama and they're going to have some banged up bodies during the season. You really think they have the horses to wage that kind fo battle (SEC, PAC10, Big12, Big 10, ACC for 12 weeks?

You really want to compare Mountain West Schedules with the SEC? And yes, I know Utah opened with Michigan. The same weasels Toledo beat.



Now if the Utes joined the MAC, I'd agree.

 

[jason_h537]

Yes but your forgetting that TCU and Boise would get more money, resources, and have access to better recruits if they join a BCS conference.

 

[phork]

Personally I think its time to start recognizing some of these teams.

 

[BGIF]

Yes but your forgetting that TCU and Boise would get more money, resources, and have access to better recruits if they join a BCS conference.

More money doesn't translate to success, take a look at Congress.

More money means you can build newer, bigger, weight rooms, locker rooms, and such. You still only get 85 players.

Every team in the SEC gets $11 or $12 million minimum through revenue sharing. How many SEC Championships does Vandy have?

Acess better recruits? They can recruit nationally. They do it now. BSU doesn't have the oil money alumni that TCU has that hasn't done much for TCU has hit. Or SMU for that matter.

Let's be candid how many blue chip recruits list USC, UF, OSU, ND, and BSU? Go ahead itstead of hypotheticals, do the exercise.

A sleeper QB that may emerge with "franchise" potential may go to one of these schools or a WR that couldn't get offers elsewhere. Feel free to post the list of QBs and WRs and 5 Star OLs who rejected playing for Carroll, or Tressel, or Stoops to go to BSU.

Marshall Faulk was a 7 time A-Pro RB but he went to San Diego State because all the majors that offered him in college wanted him to play CB. He was convinced he was a RB the prime time coaches - across the country felt his body was too small to take the pounding. He was the exception not the rule. SDS had some exciting games while he was there than faded back to mediocrity.

Minnesota has a major conference, money, resources, a new stadium, and a tradition that includes a bunch of Big 10 Championships and NCs. - They're still Minnesota - buried in the Big 10. And IF Henderson ends up there with Carufel they're still not going to win a NC much less a Big 10 Championship.

Boise St has only been a 1-A school for 13 years. Idaho is pretty country, they've got a cute smurf field. They also have a very, small recruiting base and few athletes want to forego playing at OSU, OU, ND, USC, UF, UGA, etc to go there.

TCU has an N.C. and has been the Champion of 5 different Conferences including the SWC (Big 12 forerunner). TCU has a rich tradition. The Davey O'Brien Quarterback Award is named for the Frogs All-American QB.

But TCU could join the Big 12, PAC 10, whatever, and they would still be outrecruited and outplayed by UTX, OU, and a dozen others as they have been since the 1930's. There's a reason they went from the SWC basement to the WAC, CUSA, and MWC Champion all in a span of 10 years.

On a given Saturday TCU can play and may beat one of the big boys. Playing among the big boys 9 or 10 times a year and they will drift to the mediocrity they have know in the past.

 

[jason_h537]

Yeah but being in a BCS conference gives recruits more to think about. Why would a 5 or 4 star player go to Boise when he wants to win a national championship at a BCS school. Thats something that these schools would now have a legit shot at. Chris Peterson has to recruit the way he does because he is a midmajor school. Being in a BCS conference will allow him to broaden his recruiting targets.

 

[BGIF]

Yeah but being in a BCS conference gives recruits more to think about. Why would a 5 or 4 star player go to Boise when he wants to win a national championship at a BCS school. Thats something that these schools would now have a legit shot at. Chris Peterson has to recruit the way he does because he is a midmajor school. Being in a BCS conference will allow him to broaden his recruiting targets.

Why would a 5 or 4 star player go to Michigan State or South Carolina when he wants to win National Championship. The bookies in Las Vegas won't tell you the why but they'll tell you the odds on who has a shot at winning.

Boise would now have a "legit shot"? No. You are kidding yourself. Do you think Urban Meyer left Utah for Florida just because it was in a BCS conference? You're thinking in a vacuum.

You're still ignoring they're in freakin' Boise. Have you been there?

Can you tell me about the great weather, beaches, semi-naked coeds, top ranked academic programs, extensive international wide alumni association, great post grad courses, city life, diverse student population, med school, kineisology, and the other features that school's recruiters sell.

IF you went to BSU, as an athlete and didn't make it to the NFL where do you get a job in Idaho. I've been there. I've worked in that state. Tough market. Tough to sell getting people to transfer there. Tough to sell going to school there.

Are you aware that BSU doesn't have 40,000 students like PSU or OSU. They're about the same size as ND. Alabama, UF, UGA, UTN, UTX get more $$$ from their donors than they do from revenue sharing. How much does the Boise Alumni generate a year for athletics? Will they buy out a $4 million dollar contract? Could BSU buy out Ty Willingham's contract ala ND or UW? Simply put they lack the substance.

Aren't you arguing in the abstract? Aren't you essentially saying that BSU should get a seat at the table because they participate. "It's only fair."

Vandy is in a major conference. Remind when when they last played in a BCS game? ISU's in a major conference. WSU's in a major conference. Those 3 schools aren't unique. There is a bottom half in EVERY conference. Vandy shares in the money but they don't get to go to the BCS Bowls. Only a few teams from those conferences get to play in the BIG Game.

So clarify for me, should BSU get the Game or the Money?

Actually you want both, don't you?


Now tell me about your perspective and TCU.

TCU was already there - in a major conference and CHOSE not to stay at that level.

They've since bounced around from one small pond to another being the big fish. Haven't they won the Trifecta of Small Pond Conference Champions?

TCU doesn't want to run with the big dawgs. TCU want's to stay on the porch and bark "SHOW ME THE MONEY!" They don't want to earn it.

They were on a major production line. They couldn't keep up the pace so they quit. Now they demand the same paycheck.


I'd really like to hear you explain why TCU deserves a seat at the adult table when they had one but they found it too hard to compete there so they chose to get up and go sit at the children's table. Then they demanded an adult meal.

 

[jason_h537]

The difference is coaching in college football. Great coaching trumps everything which is why Jeff Tedford, Kirk Ferentz, Mike Leach, Houston Nutt, Bobby Bowden, and Frank Beamer have been able to turn nothing schools into contenders and powerhouses. Not to say that Urban Neyer would have stayed at Utah if they were in a BCS conference but part of the reason he left was to get a shot at the big boys. Someone like Chris Peterson, or Turner Gil would have great success at a BCS school. Boise St success is a testament to their great coaching and evalution of talent. If they were in a BCS conference they could turn that success into good recruiting classes and continue its ascention among a premier school. TCU was left at the kiddy table when the Southwest Conference broke up and the Big 8 took Oklahoma, texas, Baylor and Texas Tech

 

[BGIF]

BSU in the PAC10 is WSU. Like WSU they may get a franchise player and have a season or two but would not be a contender in the Big Pond.

TCU was not left at the kiddy table THEY chose where they wanted to sit. I was living in Houston working with lots of Aggies, Horns, Sooners, Frogs, Owls, and the like. The demise of the SWC and the shotgun wedding was daily coffee pot chatter and happy hour fodder.

Look at the demographics of Dallas-Ft Worth versus Waco. (I'd kill to live in Boise over Waco.) Nobody putting an enterprise together selects the Waco marker over DFW.

TCU wanted to be the Big Fish in the small pond. It was their choice. They got what they wanted. They went from the league's basement to penthouse simply by changing leagues. And they've changed leagues 4 times nows. If they go back to a diet of UTX, OU, A&M and such their wins will be cut in half.

TCU under Patterson is something like 3-6 against the Big 12. They'll still be BU like a drum. And ISU in the years they get to play. And they'll still win the games against Stephen Austin, SDS, UAB, etc. After that wins will be tough and as the injuries mount due to the heavier level of competition the they will decline just like the good old days.

 

[jason_h537]

Washington State won a couple Pac 10 championships with Mike Price. Were a program on the rise till he bolted.