Gerad Parker - Troy Head Coach :)

[NDFAN2008]

QB sneaks are 80+% effective on 4th and 1. That’s aggregated across the league, now imagine with NDs line.

Plays that aren’t QB sneaks are about 60%.

I will die on the hill that, once we decide we’re going for it, every 4th and 1 should be a QB sneak regardless of whether or not the defense knows it’s coming. It’s just so damn hard to stop.

What about snapping the ball the Evans like we did last year/

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

What about snapping the ball the Evans like we did last year/

Sure. I really don’t care who sneaks it. Just a traditional QB sneak with whoever we think can get the most push.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

QB sneaks are 80+% effective on 4th and 1. That’s aggregated across the league, now imagine with NDs line.

Plays that aren’t QB sneaks are about 60%.

I will die on the hill that, once we decide we’re going for it, every 4th and 1 should be a QB sneak regardless of whether or not the defense knows it’s coming. It’s just so damn hard to stop.

Weis offenses excelled at it with Tom Brady in New England and Brady Quinn at ND. Tom Brady was a master of the 1 yard QB sneak regardless of who is OC was.

Don't overthink it, keep it simple, line up, snap the ball and go.

 

[Giddyup]

Line someone up behind him to bush push too

 

[PutuporShutup]

Hartman definitely can improve some hard counts or clap counts, and keeping other teams lines off balance on timing

Brady and Quinn err good at assessing exactly where to sneak it each time

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I thought he had some very well thought out concepts for Saturday. He’s scheming receivers wide open and those two back sets were well executed for the most part. Thought OSU confused Sam on a couple of third downs (one dropping d lineman into coverage) and the two fourth downs and missed FG really hurt obviously. We were in position but didn’t execute. As for the reversed call on Sam, I really dislike that you change that spot. Overall I think the game plan was solid, you just need to execute.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I thought he had some very well thought out concepts for Saturday. He’s scheming receivers wide open and those two back sets were well executed for the most part. Thought OSU confused Sam on a couple of third downs (one dropping d lineman into coverage) and the two fourth downs and missed FG really hurt obviously. We were in position but didn’t execute. As for the reversed call on Sam, I really dislike that you change that spot. Overall I think the game plan was solid, you just need to execute.

That play where Knowles had the inside DL guys drop into coverage but brought the 4 players on a rush (2 on each side of the line) was a pretty impressive call, haven’t seen that much, if ever. I’d like to see ND run that or something similar a time or two in the right instance (empty backfield, for example), it really creates a mismatch off the edge.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Weis offenses excelled at it with Tom Brady in New England and Brady Quinn at ND. Tom Brady was a master of the 1 yard QB sneak regardless of who is OC was.

Don't overthink it, keep it simple, line up, snap the ball and go.

Yeah. The Eagles are also doing something similar now.

It just irritates me so much when we get cute here. The Hartman overturned 4th down run was close, but cmon man, you’re running laterally (all the way to the sideline) to get the first down.

And you’re choosing to do so when you have an alternative that’s proven to be incredibly effective, even when the defense knows it’s coming.

 

[irishff1014]

We went with the 2 back set a good amount. Run one with Estime as the lead and Payne as the actual back and you are going to move the ball forward.

I hope this is a lesson they learned. Because it was a pee wee football mental decision.

 

[ThePiombino]

I wonder what the delta in prize money is in landing a CFP spot vs. say a "NY6" bowl. And then I wonder how that compares to the total cost of Andy Ludwig's buyout vs. Parker's promotion. And THEN I wonder if leadership still thinks it was worth balking on the move and going with the unproven, discount OC. Fairly certain I know the answer -- it's likely apathy at best, but I'd still be curious to know the actual numbers...

 

[PutuporShutup]

I wonder what the delta in prize money is in landing a CFP spot vs. say a "NY6" bowl. And then I wonder how that compares to the total cost of Andy Ludwig's buyout vs. Parker's promotion. And THEN I wonder if leadership still thinks it was worth balking on the move and going with the unproven, discount OC. Fairly certain I know the answer -- it's likely apathy at best, but I'd still be curious to know the actual numbers...

yep,

Seems like Parker and Hartman have absolutely no trust in our WRs with the game plans we've called vs NC state and OSU. Maybe rightfully so, but very disappointing. We need to put more pressure on teams defense with our WRs. I don't care that we'll only have 4 this week, 4 is enough for a week or two.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I wonder what the delta in prize money is in landing a CFP spot vs. say a "NY6" bowl. And then I wonder how that compares to the total cost of Andy Ludwig's buyout vs. Parker's promotion. And THEN I wonder if leadership still thinks it was worth balking on the move and going with the unproven, discount OC. Fairly certain I know the answer -- it's likely apathy at best, but I'd still be curious to know the actual numbers...

I think they could be doing far more financially with the football program than they have chosen to do. On multiple fronts. Coaching salaries being one of them.

 

[BoredIrish]

Here's a thought...If Buchner were still on the roster, would he be in the game in a short yardage package?

ND probably wins the game if they convert those 2 QB sneaks.

 

[Irishokie]

Here's a thought...If Buchner were still on the roster, would he be in the game in a short yardage package?

ND probably wins the game if they convert those 2 QB sneaks.

Buchner’s old news. How about if we just handed the ball off to Estime, Price, Love, or Payne?

 

[317Irish]

Here's a thought...If Buchner were still on the roster, would he be in the game in a short yardage package?

ND probably wins the game if they convert those 2 QB sneaks.

Switching out players in those situations is complicated. They probably would have pulled Hartman off the field and not replaced him before running the play…

 

[Free Manera]

Here's a thought...If Buchner were still on the roster, would he be in the game in a short yardage package?

ND probably wins the game if they convert those 2 QB sneaks.

There is a better option already on the roster - the Mitchell Evans package. I don't know why they didn't put him in for the sneak.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Here's a thought...If Buchner were still on the roster, would he be in the game in a short yardage package?

ND probably wins the game if they convert those 2 QB sneaks.

No I’d rather have Hartman he’s smarter and chances are Buchner would fumble the ball

 

[Irishdrunk]

He definitely didn't get the first down. The video looks clear to me. It was a mess. Didn't look like anything like a QB sneak but a broken play. Should have handed it off to Estime if Hartman isn't comfortable doing a QB Sneak. Too cute for our own good.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

He definitely didn't get the first down. The video looks clear to me. It was a mess. Didn't look like anything like a QB sneak but a broken play. Should have handed it off to Estime if Hartman isn't comfortable doing a QB Sneak. Too cute for our own good.

The first one where he ran out of bounds, I thought he had it……the second one where he was met ant the LOS wasn’t even close.

 

[Irishdrunk]

The first one where he ran out of bounds, I thought he had it……the second one where he was met ant the LOS wasn’t even close.

It looked pretty clear he didn't get to the 17 yard line. I had no problem with it be reversed even though I didn't like the outcome.

 

[allenm5333]

Here's a thought...If Buchner were still on the roster, would he be in the game in a short yardage package?

ND probably wins the game if they convert those 2 QB sneaks.

and he throws the ball into the ground on at least 5 of the throws Hartman made

 

[forkbeard3777]

He was not clearly short. The one and only replay they showed seemed to confirm the football crossed the line to gain before he was out of bounds despite what the announcers said. It doesn't matter where the ball is when the ball first crosses out of bounds. Instead, it matters where the ball is when Hartman is officially out of bounds, and he was not officially out of bounds until his right foot touches out of bounds well beyond the line to gain. Once his right foot touches, look at where the ball is. It certainly looks like it is well past the line to gain. For some reason, the announcers focused on where Cody Simon hit Hartman as he was going out of bounds but didn't focus on where the ball was once he touched out of bounds. Regardless, there was no indisputable video evidence showing he was short. If anything, the evidence actually confirmed the original spot.

Not that any of this matters. This one play isn't the reason we lost but I don't think we should let the refs off the hook for making a bullshit reversal.

Here's a video showing the play and replay.

Man, Ohio State's defense had that play action down cold. It didn't fool them in the slightest. There was no one open.

 

[forkbeard3777]

One frustrating thing I've noticed repeatedly throughout the season is that some of Notre Dame's plays take way too long to develop. The take so long, that many times they're blown up.

 

[ab2cmiller]

He was not clearly short. The one and only replay they showed seemed to confirm the football crossed the line to gain before he was out of bounds despite what the announcers said. It doesn't matter where the ball is when the ball first crosses out of bounds. Instead, it matters where the ball is when Hartman is officially out of bounds, and he was not officially out of bounds until his right foot touches out of bounds well beyond the line to gain. Once his right foot touches, look at where the ball is. It certainly looks like it is well past the line to gain. For some reason, the announcers focused on where Cody Simon hit Hartman as he was going out of bounds but didn't focus on where the ball was once he touched out of bounds. Regardless, there was no indisputable video evidence showing he was short. If anything, the evidence actually confirmed the original spot.

Not that any of this matters. This one play isn't the reason we lost but I don't think we should let the refs off the hook for making a bullshit reversal.

Here's a video showing the play and replay.

You are correct. When Hartman stepped out of bounds, the ball was almost directly over his right foot which was beyond the 17 yard line. Video only seems to confirm the original spot. Certainly not enough to overturn that call.

 

[theclassickiller]

It looked pretty clear he didn't get to the 17 yard line. I had no problem with it be reversed even though I didn't like the outcome.

Have to disagree with that one. At the very least, you can't overturn it when you see the close angle. I would argue you could confirm the spot after seeing this angle.

Per the NCAA:

Out-of-Bounds Spot
ARTICLE 6.
The out-of-bounds spot is the point at which, according to the rule, the ball becomes dead because of going or being declared out of bounds.

Unless I'm reading the rule wrong, the ball just became dead in the frame below.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Classic- he is obviously out of bounds in that frame from what I saw THE BALL was at the 18 yard line at the best position before he is hit by the defender.

 

[Lberry]

- Hartman extends ball in 1st quarter
- Kicker doesn't miss dead center FG
- Hartman gets 4th down sneak
- DJ Brown catches a football
- Stover doesn't catch ball tipped 3Xs
- 3rd and 18
-10 men on field
- Screen pass completed (#44 made great play)

Seriously the more you think about a win if a single one of these come true, this feels like a bigger gut punch than 2005 USC.

 

[Luckylucci]

Because is in his right arm, it never makes the line to gain.

 

[NDFAN2008]

- Hartman extends ball in 1st quarter
- Kicker doesn't miss dead center FG
- Hartman gets 4th down sneak
- DJ Brown catches a football
- Stover doesn't catch ball tipped 3Xs
- 3rd and 18
-10 men on field
- Screen pass completed (#44 made great play)

Seriously the more you think about a win if a single one of these come true, this feels like a bigger gut punch than 2005 USC.

Also the play before the 4th and 1 on the first drive he was short by 6 inches

 

[Giddyup]

Yeah that was some bullshine reverse on that 1st down. No way you can tell unless you have a directly parallel 90 degree video shot.