ESPN and BRADY QUINN

[iowadomer]

Since the big win at Michigan, Brady Quinn has been mentioned as a possible Heisman canidate on ESPN.com. After he has his best game of the year by thrashing the Purdue defense, he did not even receive a 6th place vote. How can he be left of the list after a huge win over ND's only instate rival?

 

[iowadomer]

This is the website I'm talking about:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/heisman/

 

[Irish Envy]

Because the Heisman has never equated into the best player in college football. Like it or not, the Heisman is nothing more then a glorifed Homecoming King popularity contest.

So many anti-ND voters = no Irish player consideration. Both he and Darius Walker should be on that list over Maroney, Hawk, Keller, McNeil and probably Leak, too.

 

[guff]

The problem is going to the four letter network for accurate reporting. The four letter is a classic example of how monopolies ultimately fail the customer. The journalistic quality of their work is below well your local news and just above Star. The quality of their work has declined. ESPN.com is a good place to go for stats and raw data, but get your news and opinions elsewhere.

 

[Irish Legend]

Why is Reggie McNeal on the list? They almost lost to Baylor?

 

[iowadomer]

You guys are missing the point. He was on the list since week 2 and now he's off. How can that be? If anything his stock would have risen after the offense display he put on Purdue.

 

[Irish Envy]

You guys are missing the point. He was on the list since week 2 and now he's off. How can that be? If anything his stock would have risen after the offense display he put on Purdue.

No, we didn't miss the point.

Notre Dame has a different set of rules. Whereas others can suffer losses and play like dogshit, the voters don't care. If an Irish player does the same, he loses credibility that takes a lot longer to get back.

 

[Domer95]

No, we didn't miss the point.

Notre Dame has a different set of rules. Whereas others can suffer losses and play like dogshit, the voters don't care. If an Irish player does the same, he loses credibility that takes a lot longer to get back.

Unfortunately, you're right Svoboda. How else to explain someone with 2 losses getting votes...

and this quote makes no sense..."Still, it was a gutsy performance in the near-upset of No. 1 USC." ....HUH??? Since when are FIVE INTs = GUTSY???

It doesn't matter as long as CDub just keeps rolling along and I'm sure BQ feels the same way.

 

[jiggafini19]

I'm willing to risk saying that Weis and staff, along with the players, could care less about individual awards. These guys are focused on winning. Let the wins keep piling up and the other nonsense will take care of itself.

Let Leinart have the Heisman. I'll take an ND "W" in two weeks.

 

[brucejcarr]

Here is what SI had to say......


8. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame, Jr.
Last week: 29-of-36 passing, 440 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT in a 49-28 victory at No. 22 Purdue
Season: 124-of-190 passing, 1,621 yards, 13 TDs, 3 INTs

The lowdown: After a week-long absence -- which may not have been deserved -- Quinn is back on the list. His next game, against USC in two weeks, will be huge. If Quinn can lead the Irish to a victory (not an easy task -- just ask Sam Keller), he'll shoot up the list, maybe even to the top.

Up next: Oct. 15 vs. USC

 

[Irish Legend]

Here is what SI had to say......


8. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame, Jr.
Last week: 29-of-36 passing, 440 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT in a 49-28 victory at No. 22 Purdue
Season: 124-of-190 passing, 1,621 yards, 13 TDs, 3 INTs

The lowdown: After a week-long absence -- which may not have been deserved -- Quinn is back on the list. His next game, against USC in two weeks, will be huge. If Quinn can lead the Irish to a victory (not an easy task -- just ask Sam Keller), he'll shoot up the list, maybe even to the top.

Up next: Oct. 15 vs. USC

Can you add a link to this please?

 

[brucejcarr]

Can you add a link to this please?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/gene_menez/10/02/heisman.watch/index.html

 

[KMac151993]

The only way Quinn could win the Heisman is if he keeps putting up Purdue game numbers and wins over USC and Tenn. and a birth in a BCS game.

 

[bmf175]

After reading this how is he not in the running for the Heisman?

http://und.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/100205aab.html

 

[jiggafini19]

The only way Quinn could win the Heisman is if he keeps putting up Purdue game numbers and wins over USC and Tenn. and a birth in a BCS game.

Agreed K Mac.

The offense is too balanced. Plus, he could be sitting in some of these games during the fourth quarter.

 

[BGIF]

Media bias, anti-Irish, how could they do this?

Oh the injustice!

Let's get real for just a moment.

The actual Heisman vote has about 1000 voters.

That ESPN sidebar has 15 undisclosed voters.

And because one or two of those 15 twits didn't name Quinn in a 4th or 5th place slot which were all the votes he got in the past weeks we wring our hands in agony.

It's a stupid STRAW POLL.

 

[BGIF]

The only way Quinn could win the Heisman is if he keeps putting up Purdue game numbers and wins over USC and Tenn. and a birth in a BCS game.

Right on Kmac. Quinn had a QB Efficiency Rating of about 205 in the Purdue game that's about the same number Stanton and Leinart were averaging for their first four games.


Now about that "birth", wouldn't that be a parietal violation?

 

[BGIF]

After reading this how is he not in the running for the Heisman?

That's a nice step. Expect the ND media machine to work OT. Heisman's are won just on the field.

 

[Irish Legend]

Read this:

Brady Quinn might win the Heisman Trophy this year. Look at the numbers. Look at the schedule. If we beat USC, it's between him and Vince Young. If it's between him and Vince Young, Texas needs to win the National Championship to keep it out of Brady's hands. You can mark that sucker down. Some numbers to consider:

Leinart- 82/126 (65.1%), 1286 yards, 10 touchdowns, 2 INT
Young- 54/82 (65.9%), 780 yards, 7 touchdowns. 48 carries, 310 yards, 2 touchdowns, 5 INT.
Quinn - 124/190 (65.3%), 1621 yards, 13 touchdowns, 3 INT.

At this point, it's not really close, is it? If Reggie Bush and Lendale White were the same guy, he'd have a shot, but they're not.

What?

 

[jiggafini19]

I had no idea his numbers stacked up that way to Leinart. Too busy looking at wins and losses.

This puts a spin on things.

BYU, Navy, Cuse, Stanford...he might have a shot at this thing with wins all the way out.

 

[weisfaninmass]

Read this:

Brady Quinn might win the Heisman Trophy this year. Look at the numbers. Look at the schedule. If we beat USC, it's between him and Vince Young. If it's between him and Vince Young, Texas needs to win the National Championship to keep it out of Brady's hands. You can mark that sucker down. Some numbers to consider:

Leinart- 82/126 (65.1%), 1286 yards, 10 touchdowns, 2 INT
Young- 54/82 (65.9%), 780 yards, 7 touchdowns. 48 carries, 310 yards, 2 touchdowns, 5 INT.
Quinn - 124/190 (65.3%), 1621 yards, 13 touchdowns, 3 INT.

At this point, it's not really close, is it? If Reggie Bush and Lendale White were the same guy, he'd have a shot, but they're not.

What?

Interesting STATS but as Quinn likes to say - you measure his success by WINS. He is 4-1 and has had only one win so far when he has had a monster game. Remember he was off a bit in the Michigan game. I am a hugh fan of his but we are way to premature w Heisman talk with USC looming (and Tennessee). Let's keep things in perspective folks and try to moderate all the excitement.

Let's kick Southern Cals ass and follow up w a win against Tenn and I'll start in on the H talk ( and if we do that it'll certainly include a NC discussion).

 

[Irish Envy]

Media bias, anti-Irish, how could they do this?

Oh the injustice!

Let's get real for just a moment.

The actual Heisman vote has about 1000 voters.

That ESPN sidebar has 15 undisclosed voters.

And because one or two of those 15 twits didn't name Quinn in a 4th or 5th place slot which were all the votes he got in the past weeks we wring our hands in agony.

It's a stupid STRAW POLL.

Agreed... to a point.

Can you say, straight-faced, that ESPN doesn't have pull when they are running fluff piece after fluff piece on USC... that the voters don't get brainwashed would be nuts.

ESPN, whether we like it or not, has major pull because they have multiple networks and they influence millions.

 

[bmf175]

If we put off considering Brady for the Heisman until they beat USC and UT the season is 3/4 of the way finished at that point. If we waited until after the Tennessee game until he finally got on the list he would be so far behind in points that he wouldnt have a chance.
He plays the hardest schedule in the country and the ND season is 5 games into a 12 game schedule (half way over) If he can do good half way through a hard schedule he should at least be on the list.

 

[adam0033]

The 'Anti-Notre Dame' bias is pretty ridiculous. It's not unlike the liberal/conservative bias that people claim is in the media. Both sides are so polarized in their beliefs that they're both blind to the fact that there is little bias at all.

You claim that ESPN is running a bunch of USC 'puff' pieces, it's because they are and USC deserves that. They have the defending Heisman trophy winner who turned down millions of dollars to come back to school, and a record streak at no. 1 in the poll. Not to mention Reggie Bush, who is the most exciting player in the country. It could probably be argued that they haven't gotten enough publicity.

If Quinn has a big game against USC, win or lose, he will get hype.

 

[Irish Legend]

If we put off considering Brady for the Heisman until they beat USC and UT the season is 3/4 of the way finished at that point. If we waited until after the Tennessee game until he finally got on the list he would be so far behind in points that he wouldnt have a chance.
He plays the hardest schedule in the country and the ND season is 5 games into a 12 game schedule (half way over) If he can do good half way through a hard schedule he should at least be on the list.

Exactly!!!

 

[guff]

If Quinn has a big game against USC, win or lose, he will get hype.

To quote an idiot "Not so fast my friend" - When Quinn goes 25-30 for 305 and 3 TDs against Southern Cal the media will ask the question "Is Brady Quinn 'a system quarterback'?"

While not valid, he will be compared to Jesse Palmer, Shane Matthews, Jason White et al. Mark May will say he is just the recipient of Weis' QB friendly system; Herbstreit will say that he showed signs of greatness under Ty and Weis brought it out and maximized his skills; and Corso will say something stupid and irrelevant.

Stat for Stat Quinn and Leinart are even. Lienart has slight advantange in yds/completion but that is as much a function of his competion as anything - INT/attempt are equal at 1 int/63 attempts.

 

[Irish Legend]

They have the defending Heisman trophy winner who turned down millions of dollars to come back to school, and a record streak at no. 1 in the poll.
If Quinn has a big game against USC, win or lose, he will get hype.

Leinart will make even more $$$ for playing this year! He's just uping his stock with that schedule.

 

[Irish Legend]

FYI

A look at how those receiving votes in ESPN.com's Heisman Poll fared this weekend.

Pos. School Year 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total
Matt Leinart QB USC Sr. 6 6 3 0 0 63
Reggie Bush RB USC Jr. 7 3 5 0 0 62
Vince Young QB Texas Jr. 2 6 7 0 0 55
Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame Jr. 0 0 0 7 3 17
Marcus Vick QB Virginia Tech Jr. 0 0 0 3 1 7
Brian Calhoun RB Wisconsin Jr. 0 0 0 1 3 5
Brodie Croyle QB Alabama Sr. 0 0 0 1 3 5
Drew Stanton QB Michigan State Jr. 0 0 0 2 1 5
Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota Jr. 0 0 0 1 0 2
DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis Sr. 0 0 0 0 2 2
A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State Sr. 0 0 0 0 1 1
Chris Leak QB Florida Jr. 0 0 0 0 1 1

 

[weisfaninmass]

If we put off considering Brady for the Heisman until they beat USC and UT the season is 3/4 of the way finished at that point. If we waited until after the Tennessee game until he finally got on the list he would be so far behind in points that he wouldnt have a chance.
He plays the hardest schedule in the country and the ND season is 5 games into a 12 game schedule (half way over) If he can do good half way through a hard schedule he should at least be on the list.

Beat Southern Cal and if Quinn has a big game, the Heisman hype will move so fast - as fast as the "Montana - Weis" story......ND still has the muscle in the media. Remember WE ARE ND. We just haven't had a team or individual for 10+ years worthy of serious attention.

 

[jiggafini19]

To quote an idiot "Not so fast my friend" - When Quinn goes 25-30 for 305 and 3 TDs against Southern Cal the media will ask the question "Is Brady Quinn 'a system quarterback'?"

While not valid, he will be compared to Jesse Palmer, Shane Matthews, Jason White et al. Mark May will say he is just the recipient of Weis' QB friendly system; Herbstreit will say that he showed signs of greatness under Ty and Weis brought it out and maximized his skills; and Corso will say something stupid and irrelevant.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Predicting Notre Dame bias is borderline paranoia.

Again, give the damn Heisman to someone else if they must. I'll take a 10-1 record and Roses, baby. If ND wins out, don't discount it. They now have two weeks to prepare for their two toughest opponents....both home games.

Plenty of people thought that Tim Brown shouldn't have won in 1987 and he did. Since then, Rocket got beat out by Detmer's gaudy numbers against junior high secondaries of the Mountain time zone. Other than that, who else in the last 15 years have even warranted consideration from a Notre Dame roster?

If Quinn has the numbers, he'l get the recognition. If he has the wins to go along with them, he'll get even more.