Dukes of Hazzard pulled from TV Land

[domerfreak]

What’s sad here is the public not doing their homework before passing judgment. The confederate flag had nothing to do with slavery. It was simply a battlefield flag that organizations such as the KKK and Aryan brotherhood have adapted to their cause. So now we are doing exactly what those jackasses want and that’s fueling a race war. Think about this for a minute. Amazon pulled all confederate related products but still offers swastika products. Seriously! If we are going to debate the matter debate the facts and not emotions and stop believing the talking heads on tv.

 

[pkt77242]

These are the actions of a liberal corporation to get in out in front of it's liberal base. Whiskey nailed it. This is liberal doings of a liberal company. Please google Sumner Redstone and get back to me.

Care to go in more depth as to why Sumner Redstone? I googled him and while he might be slightly liberal according to wikipedia, there is nothing crazy in there. Hell in 2004 he even endorsed GWB over Kerry.

 

[IrishinTN]

The anime is reason enough isn't it?

That and that fish flavored candy garbage they sell.

Honestly, at that time they did what was called caricaturing because we were at war with them. Not too pc when you see the blood of so many young Americans staining the beach. If they can look back on it now, they might do it different, but what's done is done.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/redsteeze">@redsteeze</a> The Dukes of Hazzard reboot will have Ace and Gary driving a Prius with a rainbow flag.</p>— jon gabriel (@exjon) <a href="https://twitter.com/exjon/status/616279411378139136">July 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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And a Coexist bumper sticker.</p>— Brenda (@beebobaby) <a href="https://twitter.com/beebobaby/status/616279866233651200">July 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[pkt77242]

What’s sad here is the public not doing their homework before passing judgment. The confederate flag had nothing to do with slavery. It was simply a battlefield flag that organizations such as the KKK and Aryan brotherhood have adapted to their cause. So now we are doing exactly what those jackasses want and that’s fueling a race war. Think about this for a minute. Amazon pulled all confederate related products but still offers swastika products. Seriously! If we are going to debate the matter debate the facts and not emotions and stop believing the talking heads on tv.

That is a big simplification.

1. It was a battle flag used by an army fighting at least partially for slavery.
2. The flag was added to the Confederate States flag in 1863, so yeah it is more than just a battle flag. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

Maybe it is time for you to do your homework.

ETA: Just for the record, I have already said that they shouldn't pull the show (unless they are going to put MASH on in its place, then Hell yes please pull it, love me some MASH).

 

[Irish YJ]

Care to go in more depth as to why Sumner Redstone? I googled him and while he might be slightly liberal according to wikipedia, there is nothing crazy in there. Hell in 2004 he even endorsed GWB over Kerry.

Keep reading. He endorsed Bush due to his assume favorable policy views (media). He did however donate to Kerry at the same time.

Not saying he is a nut, or bad person. He's actually quite charitable I see. He is however clearly pushing liberal cause, and identifies himself as a clear liberal dem. Viacom, IIRC pushed via CBS inaccurate info on Bush later.

 

[Buster Bluth]

These are the actions of a liberal corporation to get in out in front of it's liberal base. Whiskey nailed it. This is liberal doings of a liberal company.

Easy there, Mr. Beck.

So who is trying to ban these shows then? Seems to me like it's similar to the argument conservatives used for gay wedding cakes: "It's the free market at work, fucking deal with it. Why are you forcing a private business to participate in something with which he has moral and ethical disagreements?" So they don't want to show country bumpkins on their network, get over it.

Please google Sumner Redstone and get back to me.

Only if you promise to google Business 101, specifically "how not to alienate customers," and maybe even current TV trends which point to the opposite of liberals liberaling all over the place or specifically getting "out in front of its liberal base"--TV networks aren't shifting for younger, more liberal viewers, it's just the opposite.

The big bang of older TV viewers - LA Times

After decades chasing young viewers, the broadcast networks are starting to shift tactics — peppering their lineups with shows and actors who appeal to the growing audience of aging baby boomers.

The major broadcast networks aren't the first to figure out there's money to be made off boomers: On cable, there are a growing number of networks eager to attract their eyeballs — TV Land, Encore Classic, RLTV and MeTV.

This combination of factors has led to an increase in the numbers and prominence of older actors on TV.

This fall, CBS recruited Robin Williams, 62, for a new sitcom, "The Crazy Ones." Another TV star of yesteryear, 66-year-old Ted Danson, joined the cast of "CSI" in 2011. Other big names at the network are Tom Selleck, 69, of "Blue Bloods," and Mark Harmon, 62, of "NCIS." Next season, they may be joined by Scott Bakula, 59, in a New Orleans-set "NCIS" spinoff that just received a pilot order at CBS.

 

[pkt77242]

Keep reading. He endorsed Bush due to his assume favorable policy views (media). He did however donate to Kerry at the same time.

Not saying he is a nut, or bad person. He's actually quite charitable I see. He is however clearly pushing liberal cause, and identifies himself as a clear liberal dem. Viacom, IIRC pushed via CBS inaccurate info on Bush later.

I agree that he is liberal, I just don't see him as a "Liberal Crusader" (not your words but what I was expecting). I was expecting the second coming of Al Sharpton or the anti-Rupert Murdoch

 

[Irish YJ]

I agree that he is liberal, I just don't see him as a "Liberal Crusader" (not your words but what I was expecting).

I'm an independent. And I think he can do whatever the hell he wants with his company. I don't see him as a nut, but he has pushed the liberal agenda through his companies (I don't think that's up for debate). I just find it silly. Someone else will make money off of it.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Whats the rub here? Isn't this exactly how business' are allowed, encouraged even, to act in a capitalist society?

They are free to act however they want. Our Congress is free to declare war on whatever country it wants, but that does not justify it, does it?

That said, this may not have been a business decision, it may just have been a decision by highly P.C. television executives. The ratings were probably mediocre (meaning there was no financial loss in dropping it) or maybe they wanted an excuse to get rid of it. Whatever.

its still a show with an all-white cast driving a race car tatted with arguably the most recognizable sign of human oppresion in history

The most recognizable sign of human oppression in history? It is not beaten out by the Nazi or Communist flags (and that's just for starters)? But Amazon et al still sell paraphernalia with those symbols, so I guess they must be okay.

 

[Buster Bluth]

They are free to act however they want. Our Congress is free to declare war on whatever country it wants, but that does not justify it, does it?

Yeah the happenings on TV Land are super comparable to war. A+.

That said, this may not have been a business decision, it may just have been a decision by highly P.C. television executives. The ratings may not have been so great (meaning there was no financial loss in dropping it) or maybe they wanted an excuse to get rid of it. Whatever.

That is a business decision.

The most recognizable sign of human oppression in history? It is not beaten out by the Nazi or Communist flags (and that's just for starters)? But Amazon et al still sell paraphernalia with those symbols, so I guess they must be okay.

How about American history? I can't think of something worse, other than maybe a Klan hood. But then again we're not hanging Klan hoods around our state capitols are we?

 

[pkt77242]

I'm an independent. And I think he can do whatever the hell he wants with his company. I don't see him as a nut, but he has pushed the liberal agenda through his companies (I don't think that's up for debate). I just find it silly. Someone else will make money off of it.

The question is there really any money to be made off of the Dukes of Hazard? Maybe this was an excuse to cancel an under-performing show (and catch a little good will at the same time)? Maybe ratings had dropped drastically due to the negative publicity around the Confederate flag and so it was a business decision?

 

[Buster Bluth]

The question is there really any money to be made off of the Dukes of Hazard? Maybe this was an excuse to cancel an under-performing show (and catch a little good will at the same time)? Maybe ratings had dropped drastically due to the negative publicity around the Confederate flag and so it was a business decision?

No, it was a liberal pushing the liberal agenda. Can't you see that?!

 

[Cackalacky]

They are free to act however they want. Our Congress is free to declare war on whatever country it wants, but that does not justify it, does it?

That said, this may not have been a business decision, it may just have been a decision by highly P.C. television executives. The ratings were probably mediocre (meaning there was no financial loss in dropping it) or maybe they wanted an excuse to get rid of it. Whatever.



The most recognizable sign of human oppression in history? It is not beaten out by the Nazi or Communist flags (and that's just for starters)? But Amazon et al still sell paraphernalia with those symbols, so I guess they must be okay.

Exactly. Whatever. It's their right as people errr.......a corporation. End of story. Free Markets and stuff. Invisible hand. The ideal of capitalism.

Ok so it's in the top 5 of most recognizable of oppressive iconography. Lol. Also it's Amazons right to sell what they want. They don't need justification nor approval from us. If they can make the mental hurdle work to justify their bottom line that is true capitalism right.

 

[IrishinTN]

Michigan flags offend me, yet they sell those, too. Boycott Amazon!

 

[Irish YJ]

Easy there, Mr. Beck.

So who is trying to ban these shows then? Seems to me like it's similar to the argument conservatives used for gay wedding cakes: "It's the free market at work, fucking deal with it. Why are you forcing a private business to participate in something with which he has moral and ethical disagreements?" So they don't want to show country bumpkins on their network, get over it.

See my reply above. He is free to do whatever he wants with his company. I think its silly. And I admire him for some of the stuff he does. Doesn't stop him from being silly to me for taking off Dukes. Also find it funny you're making a capitalistic argument. Don't you normally bash those?

Only if you promise to google Business 101, specifically "how not to alienate customers," and maybe even current TV trends which point to the opposite of liberals liberaling all over the place or specifically getting "out in front of its liberal base"--TV networks aren't shifting for younger, more liberal viewers, it's just the opposite.

The big bang of older TV viewers - LA Times

I find it completely shocking you would quote a left of center paper. One that cut Garfield some years ago. LOL.
I'm good on the business 101. Have a decent business degree.

 

[Irish YJ]

The question is there really any money to be made off of the Dukes of Hazard? Maybe this was an excuse to cancel an under-performing show (and catch a little good will at the same time)? Maybe ratings had dropped drastically due to the negative publicity around the Confederate flag and so it was a business decision?

CMT runs it
LULZZZZZ
Comes on every weekend sometime after the top 20

 

[pkt77242]

Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because our textbooks and monuments are wrong. - The Washington Post

An interesting article

 

[Buster Bluth]

I find it completely shocking you would quote a left of center paper.

Are you serious right now?

 

[pkt77242]

CMT runs it
LULZZZZZ
Comes on every weekend sometime after the top 20

Um, just because it might be profitable on one network, does not mean that it is profitable on another one. Sorry, that is not a convincing argument, demographics might be different (they most likely are for the two stations as the programming is generally very different), and Hell my point is still valid, maybe viewing has dropped since the Confederate flag started being in the news but CMT hasn't cancelled it yet. You have done nothing to disprove my point. Sorry.

ETA: I shouldn't have called it a horrible argument. Fixed

 

[Irish YJ]

Are you serious right now?

Buster, I'm never 100% serious, unless I'm serious, or playing cornhole. Or while I'm on the john. Why do you ask my friend.

 

[Cackalacky]

Buster, I'm never 100% serious, unless I'm serious, or playing cornhole. Or while I'm on the john. Why do you ask my friend.

I'm super cereal on the john.

 

[Irish YJ]

Um, just because it might be profitable on one network, does not mean that it is profitable on another one. Sorry, that is a horrible argument, demographics might be different (they most likely are for the two stations as the programming is generally very different), and Hell my point is still valid, maybe viewing has dropped since the Confederate flag started being in the news but CMT hasn't cancelled it yet. You have done nothing to disprove my point. Sorry.

Chill. I'm not arguing. I'm laughing about it running on CMT (considered a hillbilly channel). Helping part of your argument.

 

[pkt77242]

I'm super cereal on the john.

Who isn't? You have to take care of your business.

 

[GoIrish41]

The point is that there are other aspects of the show that are valuable. Namely, that it's funny to little kids for reasons that are wholly non-racist. If the racist undertones don't manifest into some sort of actual racism, then why is it an issue? The only takeaway I ever got from Looney Tunes was that it was funny to watch animals fall off cliffs, get crushed by anvils, etc. I didn't even know who the Japanese were at 4 or 5 years old.

Obviously I wouldn't support NEW episodes of Looney Tunes to have any racist undertones because we live in a different world now. But the old episodes are classic for many good reasons and I think people should be able to watch them without having to search the Internet for boot leg copies.

Huge Bugs fan here. However Bluto's point was not that the show was recruiting racists, but that it could offend Japanese viewers. No getting around it, there s some Bugs episodes that are racist as hell. It was the way of the world back then, but it is not any longer. Maybe Bugs does not have to be banned but maybe we should consider these episodes a little over the top. Why is that fr dive to abuts fans?

 

[pkt77242]

Chill. I'm not arguing. I'm laughing about it running on CMT (considered a hillbilly channel). Helping part of your argument.

Sorry. I already went back and edited it.

 

[Irish YJ]

Sorry. I already went back and edited it.

No worries, all good. There's probably more sarcasm in my post than political leanings. Buster does not approve.

 

[Cackalacky]

Who isn't? You have to take care of your business.

I had a college room mate one time who wasn't super cereal. That jack wagon was downright goofy.

 

[pkt77242]

No worries, all good. There's probably more sarcasm in my post than political leanings. Buster does not approve.

This is what happens when I am stuck for 10 hours in a hotel room with my children. Tomorrow the wife can not take the car with her. Ugh.

 

[connor_in]

Huge Bugs fan here. However Bluto's point was not that the show was recruiting racists, but that it could offend Japanese viewers. No getting around it, there s some Bugs episodes that are racist as hell. It was the way of the world back then, but it is not any longer. Maybe Bugs does not have to be banned but maybe we should consider these episodes a little over the top. Why is that fr dive to abuts fans?

So what past books, movies, and other art are we planning on sealing away?