Do we need take a QB this year?

[pkt77242]

So, if I am understanding correctly....

you think that we are likely to lose depth at the QB position because we have too many good players at that position.

So we need to bring another (presumably) good athlete in at that position?

That makes sense.

Nice sarcasm.

And yes it actually does make sense. It is called being prepared. The QB we bring in this year isn't likely going to cause transfers (at least not right away), it is most likely going to be Golson or Hendrix who cause the transfers as I stated in my first post.

Highly recruited QB's are likely to transfer if they are not playing. To make it easy I will look at rivals top 100 QB's from 2006 and 2007
2006
Mathew Stafford
Mitch Mustain- transfer
Tim Tebow
Demetrius Jones- transfer
Jevan Snead- transfer
Jake Locker
Isiah Williams
Josh Freeman
Jeremy Ricker- transfer

4/9 transfered

2007
Jimmy Clausen
Ryan Mallett- transfer
Tyrod Taylor
Cameron Newton- transfer
Aaron Corp- transfer
John Brantley
Mike Paulus- transfer
Stephen Garcia
Willy Korn- transfer

5/9 transfered. If Stephen Garcia gets kicked ouf of school it could be 6/9

 

[rtrn2glory]

Nice sarcasm.

And yes it actually does make sense. It is called being prepared. The QB we bring in this year isn't likely going to cause transfers (at least not right away), it is most likely going to be Golson or Hendrix who cause the transfers as I stated in my first post.

Highly recruited QB's are likely to transfer if they are not playing. To make it easy I will look at rivals top 100 QB's from 2006 and 2007
2006
Mathew Stafford
Mitch Mustain- transfer
Tim Tebow
Demetrius Jones- transfer
Jevan Snead- transfer
Jake Locker
Isiah Williams
Josh Freeman
Jeremy Ricker- transfer

4/9 transfered

2007
Jimmy Clausen
Ryan Mallett- transfer
Tyrod Taylor
Cameron Newton- transfer
Aaron Corp- transfer
John Brantley
Mike Paulus- transfer
Stephen Garcia
Willy Korn- transfer

5/9 transfered. If Stephen Garcia gets kicked ouf of school it could be 6/9

maybe 7 of 9 if Driskel beats out Brantley over the summer at Fla.

 

[kmoose]

Nice sarcasm.

And yes it actually does make sense. It is called being prepared. The QB we bring in this year isn't likely going to cause transfers (at least not right away), it is most likely going to be Golson or Hendrix who cause the transfers as I stated in my first post.

Highly recruited QB's are likely to transfer if they are not playing. To make it easy I will look at rivals top 100 QB's from 2006 and 2007
2006
Mathew Stafford
Mitch Mustain- transfer
Tim Tebow
Demetrius Jones- transfer
Jevan Snead- transfer
Jake Locker
Isiah Williams
Josh Freeman
Jeremy Ricker- transfer

4/9 transfered

2007
Jimmy Clausen
Ryan Mallett- transfer
Tyrod Taylor
Cameron Newton- transfer
Aaron Corp- transfer
John Brantley
Mike Paulus- transfer
Stephen Garcia
Willy Korn- transfer

5/9 transfered. If Stephen Garcia gets kicked ouf of school it could be 6/9

I'm sorry, but what did you expect?

Your premise is that QBs who aren't playing are likely to transfer (a premise that I don't completely buy into, but that's another story). But, apparently, not the guy we recruit this year. No, he's going to stick around, even though you seem to think that Golson is going to be a stud. So the kid will sit for three years. But he's not going to transfer out because he isn't playing. Oh no.

 

[pkt77242]

I'm sorry, but what did you expect?

Your premise is that QBs who aren't playing are likely to transfer (a premise that I don't completely buy into, but that's another story). But, apparently, not the guy we recruit this year. No, he's going to stick around, even though you seem to think that Golson is going to be a stud. So the kid will sit for three years. But he's not going to transfer out because he isn't playing. Oh no.

You seem to be putting words in my mouth (see bolded comments). I never said that Golson is a stud (my personal opinion is that Golson is very raw and probably shouldn't play this year and might be best at slot WR in the future) but history shows that coaches like to play their own QB recruits. Also the guy we recruit this year (if we get one) may well transfer (or for that matter change position) and that is why you need to take one every year.

As to the playing time part and wether or not you agree with it, of the QB's who didn't transfer in my post the only one who didn't really play in his first 2 years was John Brantley. Also of the 9 that transfered at least 6 were due to lack of playing time.

 

[pkt77242]

I think the main word is "need", I don't think ND "needs" to take a QB this cycle. But if their is a can't miss talent then go for him full steam.

The average team has a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string QB's. ND already has four, if they take one this cycle in 2012 they could possibly have 5 very legitimate QB's on the roster.

The main question would be, could a QB this cycle compete or pass up a current QB on the depth chart?

I agree that the word "need" is causing some problems. Need for me sits somewhere between really wanting it and emergency/panic mode.

To me
Panic mode/Emergency: RB, DB and NG
Need: QB, OL, DE, OLB, ILB, and WR
Want: TE
Don't need: K/P

I think we are beyond really wanting a QB but not to emergency/panic mode (that was the year we took Massa, Hendrix and Rees). Now I admit that my feelings about it are driven by the thought of a QB or QB's transfering, changing positions, leaving early and/or getting hurt.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

For QB #s, 4 is comfortable, 3 is acceptable, 2 is worrisome, 1 is panic mode.

I agree that we're likely to lose 1 before 2012, but losing 2 seems very unlikely, if only because the exit of one immediately improves the prospects of the others.

Assuming we don't take a QB in 2012, odds are that we head into 2012 with 3 and we're in a good position to grab a top QB recruit for 2013.

 

[Domina Nostra]

So playing devil's advocate here, because none of us can truly see into the future, but say the following happens next season.

1) Crist blows out a knee for the fourth time (1 in hs, 2 at ND), essentially ending his football career. I hate to mention this, but another knee injury shouldnt come as a shock for a guy that has had so many. I pray this doesn't happen and Crist has a long and prosperous career, but we cannot sweep the possibility under the rug.
2) Golson passes Hendrix and/or Rees on the depth chart, leading to 1 or two transfers.
3) We didn't take a QB in the class.

How does our depth look now?

Exactly. One a year. Take a project if the depth chart is full, but we learned this lesson.

 

[ThePiombino]

For QB #s, 4 is comfortable, 3 is acceptable, 2 is worrisome, 1 is panic mode.

I agree that we're likely to lose 1 before 2012, but losing 2 seems very unlikely, if only because the exit of one immediately improves the prospects of the others.

Assuming we don't take a QB in 2012, odds are that we head into 2012 with 3 and we're in a good position to grab a top QB recruit for 2013.

Is this assumption based on Crist leaving/injured or one of the underclassmen transferring?

 

[rtrn2glory]

i have a hard time believing that if Crist stays healthy this year that he won't be brought back for a fifth year...if we have only 3 QBs it will be bcuz we had a transfer.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Is this assumption based on Crist leaving/injured or one of the underclassmen transferring?

No, that's one of the only plausible scenarios where we lose two QBs after this season. It's possible, but I think unlikely, mainly because once one leaves, the prospects for the other 3 improve dramatically.

Golson's not transferring after this season. I don't really see Rees as the type to transfer either. Crist would call it quits if he gets benched or injured, but I think it's just as likely that has a good year, stays healthy, and comes back.

Hendrix, of course, is the top transfer risk, but again I only see that happening if he gets passed by Golson this year; he's got to be confident in his ability to pass Rees, and Crist's days are numbered.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Transfers will likely happen if all the QBs stay healthy. #4 on the totem pole will likely transfer, but an incoming freshman with 4/5 years of eligibility will not necessarily upset the status quo. If he walks in and is handed the starting job from day one ala Jimmy Clausen, then you might see a rush to the exits. But if the injuries which almost always happen, do in fact happen, everybody will get their 15 minutes of fame and everyone stays in the hunt.

It is the qb's confidence that they will be given a chance to beat out #1 that will determine whether they transfer.

 

[pkt77242]

i have a hard time believing that if Crist stays healthy this year that he won't be brought back for a fifth year...if we have only 3 QBs it will be bcuz we had a transfer.

Well, if Crist stays healthy and has a great year, he should go pro (should doesn't mean he will) because he can't really risk coming back and getting injured, and if he stays and doesn't play well chances are he gets passed by one of the younger qb's and then he might not be brought back for a fifth year.

 

[InKellyITrust]

Does anyone know what kind of QB that Baratti is?

Maybe an emergency option, if sh*t hits the fan