Dayne Crist

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You can hate on Tebow all you want. I really can't stand the guy. I was just using him as an example of a guy who can flat out just will his team to victory.

again, more bull.

so Tebow thinks victory and the team wins? the ability, effort, perserverance, preparation, skill, etc of the individual players of the team have nothing to do with it? if not for Tebow's inspiring speaches and little girl-like flailing of his arms up in the air (you know what move I'm talking about) his team wouldn't have won a game? bull

you guys watch ESPN too much.

yes Tebow is a great player, but he is surrounded by great athletes. he is not the greatest leader to have ever walked the earth. his breath doesn't heal broken bones. His words don't inspire men to greatness. Those are Obama's attributes. :laugh:
 

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Tebow sucks. If he was on a team without a huge supporting cast, like Notre Dame, he wouldn't do anything. His spirals suck and he has absolutely no arm. Hawaii even said that Clausen was the best quarterback that they had faced all season...and that included Tebow.

Clausen and Crist are both going to be better than little Timmy Tebow.
 

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Tebow sucks. If he was on a team without a huge supporting cast, like Notre Dame, he wouldn't do anything. His spirals suck and he has absolutely no arm. Hawaii even said that Clausen was the best quarterback that they had faced all season...and that included Tebow.

Clausen and Crist are both going to be better than little Timmy Tebow.

Tim Tebow does not suck. You make ND fans sound stupid and jealous when you say that.

By your supporting cast argument. one could say the same thing about Jimmy. "W/out Tate, Floyd and Rudolph, Jimmy would suck." Jimmy has some weapons too, you know.

Now, Tebow doesn't have the greatest arm in the world, and yes, he has weapons around him. And no, he's not God's gift to football as ESPN and CBS would have you think. BUT, the guy is a damn good football player. He won championships in h.s., and he's won 2 rings in college. He's like a LB playing QB; he is just a load to bring down. And he makes the throws that need to be made for that offense; he gets the ball to his playmakers and he doesn't make huge mistakes. And when his team needs a first down in a huge spot, there isn't a QB in the college game today that I'd trust more. Not even close.

The dude is a great football player. To say that he sucks is completely off-base. 2 NC's, one as the starter, a Heisman trophy and a finalist for another, and we're not even done yet. You're better than that dude. If JC had those kind of stats, even with all that talent, we'd be ready to kill someone if they said he sucked.

Now, to SoCal's point that he's not the greatest, well, he's right, we need to take a step back and let it savor for a few years. There's been some damn good QB's that have had incredible careers. Leinhart was unreal in college, as was Young. Now they're forgotten just a few years later? But just because Tebow's the latest, people want to annoint him the greatest. I certainly don't think he is the greatest QB nor the greatest leader. But he is an outstanding leader, I don't think there's any argument there.

And that speech he gave, sorry, but that was friggin' fanstatic. Overplayed, yes. But he said it, and he backed it up w/ a national championship. If JC or Crist or Montana or any ND QB ever had a speech like that, hell yeah I'd want that thing immortalized. Knute Rockne anyone?...
 

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Tebow sucks. If he was on a team without a huge supporting cast, like Notre Dame, he wouldn't do anything. His spirals suck and he has absolutely no arm. Hawaii even said that Clausen was the best quarterback that they had faced all season...and that included Tebow.

Clausen and Crist are both going to be better than little Timmy Tebow.

that the media overhypes his persona is not in dispute. but i wouldn't say he sucks. the kid is a very good athlete, a very strong compeititor, and appears to be smart.

is he the greatest player to every put on college pads? I don't think so. does he walk on water? definitely not. but he is a good/great college player. i doubt he goes to the next level as a QB, though.
 
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