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I am just saying NAMBLA is a sick ass organization and that website should be shut down and I lost some respect for ACLU after hearing they were representing them for free.

I don't see any of our civil liberties being any less than they were 10 years ago, so all this talk about Bush taking away our liberties, I'm not seeing it.

The WMDs were there, they were moved. I'll take the word of a former general than that of one of Saddam's former "sciencetist". You think he got rid of them all after the first gulf war? Doubtfull. I forgot why he cooperative he was with the UN inspectors. He wouldn't let them into most of the places they wanted to go, he would have them taken to places HE wanted them to see. And WMDs was one of several reasons for the invasion.

No use going back and forth on this board, you have your beliefs which I accept, they are wrong (just kidding). I have mine. I will read 1984 since you recommend it so highly. I promise you that. Here is a website that I like:

http://www.acluvsamerica.com/news/default.aspx
 

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The good news is that if the Dems get to institute their tax policy I'll be able to call myself rich.
 

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I am just saying NAMBLA is a sick ass organization and that website should be shut down and I lost some respect for ACLU after hearing they were representing them for free.


NAMBLA is a sick organization. Organized pedophilia is truly abhorrent. Do you hold the Church to the same standards as the ACLU? Because they've been just as guilty--no, guiltier--at protecting child molesters. So you must be really pissed at the Vatican....
 
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How bad are the taxes in Illinois? I have to say, living in Southern New York State, I think your eyes would pop out of your head if you knew what the Libs in this state have us paying. I mean it's absolutely sick. With the results of this election, my wife and me may have no choice but to consider heading south. Middle class in New York is getting slaughtered. I'm not full of anger because of yesterday's results, actually I'm scared. I really am. I have co-workers who have transferred to the Carolinas or the Midwest, and after selling their houses here, can buy a house outright in those places and have a lot money to set aside for their nest eggs/college educations. You will see a "Right Flight" out of the Northeast after this one,mark my words!! At least ND got a verbal today. Other than that I am honestly sick to my stomach.
 

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NAMBLA is a sick organization. Organized pedophilia is truly abhorrent. Do you hold the Church to the same standards as the ACLU? Because they've been just as guilty--no, guiltier--at protecting child molesters. So you must be really pissed at the Vatican....

Anybody that protects child predators is a sick ass bitch, whether it be the ACLU or the Vatican. I don't give a shit if its some asshole lawyer from the ACLU or the Pope. No excuse for the bullshit in my mind.
 

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I am just saying NAMBLA is a sick ass organization and that website should be shut down and I lost some respect for ACLU after hearing they were representing them for free.

I don't see any of our civil liberties being any less than they were 10 years ago, so all this talk about Bush taking away our liberties, I'm not seeing it.

The WMDs were there, they were moved. I'll take the word of a former general than that of one of Saddam's former "sciencetist". You think he got rid of them all after the first gulf war? Doubtfull. I forgot why he cooperative he was with the UN inspectors. He wouldn't let them into most of the places they wanted to go, he would have them taken to places HE wanted them to see. And WMDs was one of several reasons for the invasion.

No use going back and forth on this board, you have your beliefs which I accept, they are wrong (just kidding). I have mine. I will read 1984 since you recommend it so highly. I promise you that. Here is a website that I like:

http://www.acluvsamerica.com/news/default.aspx

I'll end on this. NAMBLA is a pretty sick organization. They're entitled to free speech and thought all the same, whether you think they should be shut down or not.

The civil liberties you speak of are the ones you said you don't mind giving up for more security. By allowing programs like Carnivore and warrant-free wiretapping, you're giving up your protection from illegal search and seizure. You've already given up your library records through the patriot act, which used to be private. Get caught reading up too much on islam or fertilizers? The FBI would like to speak to you.

I'll take a look at the ACLU website you recommended. I can't say I'll agree with it, but I'll keep an open mind.

(and not to keep arguing, but it's poor form point out a spelling error if you make one in the next line. : D )
 
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Truth be told. The first time ive actually heard of them was in that South Park episode. I shit myself later when, I found out they actually existed. I couldnt help myself but laugh when I saw their logo, too.

Funny thing is; 2 of the most famous and 'brilliant' men in history boned little boys. Sick bastards they were.

One just had some 'code' book released years ago (later became a movie with Tom Hanks) the other, is most known for his sculpture of a nekked boy "David".
 
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I hate that my first post here is political but someone had to say it. The guy from Illinios who say's Illinios is the worst run state in the union. Well I think your wrong.

All you have to do look to NJ. NJ been run by dems for decades. And you've had just a huge amount of stupidity going around. 4 years ago it was Torricelli who resigned because he was bribed by some Chinese businessmen. Then you had McGreevey whose scandal never was his homosexuality. But his rampant corruption and if he didn't resgined he probably would've been impeached. He used his homosexualtity to cover up the real issues. Then you had Corzine who made national headlines because he shut down the government. And then their are countless local scandals. Then they elect Bon Menendez from one of the most corupt counties in the country. Add on top of that Dems have raised NJ property tax to gigantic levels. My pal owns a 1/2 million dollar home. He's charged almost 15k. The only good news they have in Jersey is the schools are pretty good. (They better be for that type of money)

Chnage is good I like Bush but he gets too thick headed and hopefully he opens up his eyes and gets the hell out of Iraq. He's listening to Cheney, Rumsfeld way too much and I don't know why they were the main reason we're in this mess. He needs to realized that the Middle East is looney toons central. Their's no changing hearts and minds their. They've been at each others throats in that area for centuries. We're aren't going to change their culture at all. That area is runned entirely by extremist and get out and let them kill each other. (This area has a tendency of doing that) Pull out our troops, get off the oil, and get some common sense approaches in these area's.

Awful day for Northeast republicans. Geez Lincoln Chafee had a 60%+ approval rating and he got killed. Hell he even said he voted against Bush in the 04 election.
 

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I hate that my first post here is political but someone had to say it. The guy from Illinios who say's Illinios is the worst run state in the union. Well I think your wrong.

All you have to do look to NJ. NJ been run by dems for decades. And you've had just a huge amount of stupidity going around. 4 years ago it was Torricelli who resigned because he was bribed by some Chinese businessmen. Then you had McGreevey whose scandal never was his homosexuality. But his rampant corruption and if he didn't resgined he probably would've been impeached. He used his homosexualtity to cover up the real issues. Then you had Corzine who made national headlines because he shut down the government. And then their are countless local scandals. Then they elect Bon Menendez from one of the most corupt counties in the country. Add on top of that Dems have raised NJ property tax to gigantic levels. My pal owns a 1/2 million dollar home. He's charged almost 15k. The only good news they have in Jersey is the schools are pretty good. (They better be for that type of money)

Chnage is good I like Bush but he gets too thick headed and hopefully he opens up his eyes and gets the hell out of Iraq. He's listening to Cheney, Rumsfeld way too much and I don't know why they were the main reason we're in this mess. He needs to realized that the Middle East is looney toons central. Their's no changing hearts and minds their. They've been at each others throats in that area for centuries. We're aren't going to change their culture at all. That area is runned entirely by extremist and get out and let them kill each other. (This area has a tendency of doing that) Pull out our troops, get off the oil, and get some common sense approaches in these area's.

Awful day for Northeast republicans. Geez Lincoln Chafee had a 60%+ approval rating and he got killed. Hell he even said he voted against Bush in the 04 election.

Louisiana is by far the most currupt, it's not even close.
 

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Same with the ACLU!! An organization that use to be a good cause, now taken over by the far left.

You are right...when they decided to defend Rush Limbagh's privacy you knew they were wacky.

Then they spend Millions upon Milliions defend Christians?

What a horrible organization.

Recent ACLU Cases Defending the Constitutional Rights of Christians


Rhode Island ACLU (2006) filed an appeal in federal court on behalf of
an inmate who was barred from preaching during Christian religious
services, something he had done for the past seven years under the
supervision and support of prison clergy. The prisoner, Wesley Spratt,
believes his preaching is a calling from God. Prison officials cited
vague and unsubstantiated security reasons for imposing the preaching
ban on Mr. Spratt. The ACLU argued that the ban violates Mr. Spratt's
religious freedoms guaranteed to prisoners under federal law.

The ACLU of Nevada (2005) defended the free exercise rights and free
speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of
the Strip in Las Vegas .

The ACLU of New Mexico (2005) joined forces with the American Family
Association to succeed in freeing a preacher, Shawn Miller, from the
Roosevelt County jail, where he was held for 109 days for street
preaching. The ACLU became involved at the request of Miller's wife,
Theresa.

The ACLU of New Jersey (2005) filed a a motion to submit a
friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of Olivia Turton, a second-grade
student who was forbidden from singing 'Awesome God' in a voluntary,
after-school talent show. The only restriction on the student's
selection for the talent show was that it be 'G-rated.' The case, filed
in federal court, is Turton, et al. v. Frenchtown Elementary School , et al.

The ACLU of Michigan (2005) filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of Joseph
Hanas, a Catholic, who was criminally punished for not completing a drug
rehabilitation program run by the Pentecostal group. Part of the
program required reading the Bible for seven hours a day, proclaiming
one's salvation at the alter, and being tested on Pentecostal
principles. Staff confiscated Mr. Hanas's rosary and told him
Catholicism was witchcraft.

The ACLU of Louisiana (2005) filed suit against the Department of
Corrections on behalf of a Mormon inmate, Norman Sanders, who was denied
the right to practice his religion by being denied access to religious
texts, including The Book of Mormon, and Mormon religious services.
'Mormons should receive the same accommodation of their beliefs as do
individuals of other faiths,' said Joe Cook, Executive Director, ACLU of
Louisiana. 'Fair and equal treatment means they deserve the right to a
place to meet, have a minister and discuss their beliefs like other groups.'

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2005) won a battle against Turtle Creek
Borough that repeatedly denied an occupancy permit to a predominantly
African-American church, Ekklesia, which had purchased the church
building from a predominantly white parish. The case is Ekklesia Church
v. Borough of Turtle Creek. The case was settled.

The ACLU of Oregon (2004-05) filed suit on behalf of high school
basketball players from an Adventist school against the Oregon School
Activities Association, which administers competitive athletic and
artistic competitions in Oregon high schools. The ACLU argued that the
Adventist basketball players who have made it to the state tournament
should not be required to play tournament games on Saturday, their
Sabbath. The case, argued in Oregon courts, is Nakashima v. Board Of
Education.

The ACLU of Nevada (2004) represented a Mormon high school student, Kim
Jacobs, who school authorities suspended and then attempted to expel for
not complying with the school dress code and wearing T-shirts with
religious messages. Jacobs won a preliminary victory in court where the
judge ruled the school could not expel her for not complying with the
dress code. The First Amendment issue of student expression is before
the Ninth Circuit.

The ACLU of Washington (2004) reached a favorable settlement on behalf
of Donald Ausderau, a Christian minister, who wanted to preach to the
public on Plaza sidewalks.

The ACLU of Virginia (2004) interceded with local authorities on behalf
of Baptist preachers who were refused permission to perform baptisms in
the river in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County .

The Indiana Civil Liberties Union (2004) filed suit against the city of
Scottsburg for their repeated threats of arrest and/or citation against
members of the Old Paths Baptist Church for demonstrating regarding
various subjects dealing with their religious beliefs.

With the help of the ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (2004), the Church Army, an Episcopal social service group, was able to keep its program of
feeding the homeless running. The ACLU convinced the County Health
Department to reverse a decision that meals served to homeless people in
a church must be cooked on the premises, as opposed to individual
homes. Had the decision not been reversed, the ministry would have been
forced to cease the program.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2004) was victorious in its arguments that
government had to accommodate Amish drivers who used highly reflective
gray tape on their buggies instead of orange triangles, to which the
Amish objected for religious reasons.

The ACLU of New Jersey (2004) appeared as amicus curaie in opposition to
a prosecutor's act of striking potential jurors from a jury pool based
on the fact that the prosecutor perceived those individuals to be
'demonstrative about their religion.' One potential juror was a
missionary; the other juror was wearing Muslim religious garb, including
a skull cap. The ACLU-NJ argued that such an action violates the
religion clauses of both the United States and New Jersey Constitutions.
It also argued that not only is it inappropriate for jurors to be struck
because they are demonstrable about their religion but, in addition,
such a basis will often amount to a removal based upon a particular
religious belief or affiliation and will lead to discrimination against
identifiable religious minorities. The case is State v. Fuller (NJ SCt
2004).

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2004) settled a lawsuit on behalf of Second
Baptist Church of Homestead, a predominantly African-American church
that had been denied a zoning permit to operate in a church building
purchased by a white congregation. The occupancy permit was awarded in
2002, and in 2004, the Borough of West Mifflin agreed to pay damages and
compensate the church for its loses. The case is Second Baptist Church
of Homestead v. Borough of West Mifflin.

The ACLU of Massachusetts (2003) intervened on behalf of a group of
students at Westfield High School who were suspended for distributing
candy canes and a religious message in school. The ACLU succeeded in
having the suspensions revoked and filed an amicus brief in a lawsuit
brought on behalf of the students against the school district. Students
who were suspended include Daniel S. Souza, Stephen J. Grabowski, Sharon
L. Sitler and Paul Sitler.

The ACLU of Rhode Island (2003) interceded on behalf of an
interdenominational group of carolers who were denied the opportunity to
sing Christmas carols on Christmas Eve to inmates at the women's prison
in Cranston , Rhode Island .

The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2002) publicly supported a group of
Christian students who filed a lawsuit against Davenport Schools
asserting their right to distribute religious literature during
non-instructional time. The ICLU filed a friend-of-the-court brief in
the suit on behalf of the students.

The ACLU of Massachusetts (2002) filed a brief supporting the right of
the Church of the Good News to run ads criticizing the secularization of
Christmas and promoting Christianity as the 'one true religion' after
the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority refused to allow the paid
advertisements to be posted and to sell additional advertising space to
the church.

The ACLU of Virginia (2002) joined the Rev. Jerry Falwell in winning a
lawsuit arguing the Virginia Constitution's provision that bans
religious organizations from incorporating is unconstitutional.
The ACLU of Michigan (beginning in 2001) represented Abby Moler, a
student at Sterling Heights Stevenson High School , whose yearbook entry
was deleted because of its religious content.

The ACLU of Massachusetts (2000) defended inmate Peter Kane's right to
exercise his religious beliefs when prison officials confiscated his
rosary beads. The rosary beads were black and white and prison rules
allow only solid-colored beads.

The ACLU of Virginia (2000) represented Charles D. Johnson, a street
preacher who was convicted under Richmond 's noise ordinance. The
Virginia Court of Appeals reversed his conviction in 2000. The case is
Johnson v. City of Richmond, 2000 WL 1459848 (Va. App. 2000).

The ACLU of Virginia (1999) filed suit against the Department of Defense
and the Office of Personnel Management on behalf of Michelle Hall, a
Jehovah's Witness who was fired from her job as a produce worker at Ft.
Belvoir commissary because she refused to sign a loyalty oath. Ms. Hall
objected to a phrase in the oath, that she would 'bear true faith and
allegiance to' the Constitution, because it contradicts her undivided
allegiance and faithfulness to Jehovah. The ACLU argued the oath
violated Ms. Hall's freedom of religion and speech rights. In a
settlement, Ms. Hall was reinstated and given back pay.

The ACLU of Eastern Missouri (1999) secured a favorable settlement for a
nurse, Miki M. Cain, who was fired for wearing a cross-shaped lapel pin
on her uniform.

The ACLU of Virginia (1997-1999) represented Rita Warren and her mission
to erect a crèche on Fairfax County government space that had been set
aside as a public forum. The ACLU argued restricting the use of the
public forum to county residents only was an unreasonable restriction.
The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the ACLU.

The ACLU of Iowa (1997) represented Conservative Christians in Clarke
County and won the right to force a county referendum on gambling.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1997) represented
Carlyn Kline, a fundamentalist Christian woman who challenged the
legality of a mandatory divorce-counseling program conducted by Catholic
Charities. Her religious beliefs prohibited her from attending
'non-Christian' counseling.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1997) intervened on
behalf of a Mennonite nurse and prevented his firing for refusing to
shave his beard for religious reasons. The employer demanded the nurse
shave his beard so the state-issued mask to guard against tuberculosis
would fit tightly despite the employee's offer to purchase a more
expensive mask that would is approved for work with T.B. patients and
that would fit properly with his beard intact. After receiving
telephone calls and letters from the ACLU, the state employer agreed to
accommodate the nurse's religion.

Amish farmers benefited from the ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh
Chapter's letter threatening a lawsuit if the Elk Lick Township rescind
a municipal ordinance that prohibited farm tractors with steel wheels
from traveling on or over the township's roads. Amish religious beliefs
dictate that they maintain steel wheels on their tractors and the
ordinance prevented Amish farmers from moving their tractors from one
farm to another, and in some cases from one part of their property to
another. The township rescinded the ordinance in 1995 and dropped all
charges against the various persons charged under the ordinance.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1995) represented a
17-year-old foster child who was being forced to attend her foster
family's church. The foster child was Methodist and the church she was
being forced to attend was not of the Methodist faith. After the ACLU
threatened to sue the county allowed the child to attend a Methodist
church and placed her in a different foster home.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1995) secured the
right of a minister from the United Methodist Church to hold meetings in
the Harmony Township Borough building that was open for use by community
groups.

Iowa affiliate of the ACLU (1995) represented and vindicated the free
speech and religious expression of a conservative Christian activist,
Elaine Jaquith of Waterloo , who had been denied access to broadcast her
message on public television.

The ACLU of Texas (beginning in1995) represented Catholic and Mormon
Santa Fe High School students who opposed the proselytizing prayers
offered by the school's student council chaplain over the public address
system prior to home football games. The U.S. Supreme Court agreed
that public schools should not be used to proselytize on behalf of
religion. Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000)

The ACLU of Vermont (1994-95) represented evangelical Christians Freda
and Perry Hollyer, who were denied Medicaid and food stamp benefits
because they refused to obtain social security numbers for their
children. The Hollyers believed that obtaining social security numbers
for their children ran contrary to their understanding of the Book of
Revelations. The ACLU appealed the denial to the state's Human Services
Board. The Board ruled in favor of the Hollyers holding that the
state's legitimate interests in preventing fraud could be achieved
without use of a social security number. The Board's ruling is on file
with the ACLU's Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief.

The ACLU of Utah (1990s) represented an evangelical Christian ministry
that had been evicted and denied future access as a vendor at a state
fair because fair-goers objected to the religious content of the message.
 

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I have officially lost faith in the American electorate - DA Nifong wins re-election. How he convinced 49% of Durham voters that he's the right man for the job is beyond me.
 

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I have officially lost faith in the American electorate - DA Nifong wins re-election. How he convinced 49% of Durham voters that he's the right man for the job is beyond me.

That is just lame.

Seriously, the guy is a grandstanding fool playing with the lives and futures of those young men.

I was obviously skeptical about the Lax team being innocent...but the more the truth comes out, the more you realize this DA is a scumbag.
 

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I hate that my first post here is political but someone had to say it. The guy from Illinios who say's Illinios is the worst run state in the union. Well I think your wrong.

NYC, we're in pretty bad shape, man.

Our debt level is off the charts, we're basically told our children to f*ck off based on what we do for education and Springfield is becoming as corrupt as Chicago.

We have towns like East St. Louis, Kanakakee and Decatur that are total American Armpits.

If Illinois isn't the worst, we're awful damn close and it is a shame.
 
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How's this for a wasted vote !

How's this for a wasted vote !

[FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]How much is one vote worth?[/FONT]

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Probably one of the same dopes who couldn't push a chad out of a ballot back in 2000.
 

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I have officially lost faith in the American electorate - DA Nifong wins re-election. How he convinced 49% of Durham voters that he's the right man for the job is beyond me.

Actually he convinced them twice. He beat two opponents in the Democratic Primary (which says something about the caliber of competition in the Party) and then became "The Yellow Dog".

Keep in mind the Republican candidate, Monks, who finished a distant third, was a write-in candidate in "an overwhelmingly Democratic county".

Cheek, the candidate the finished second was a Democratic County Commissioner who got on the ballot by petition as an unaffliated candidate AND promised not to serve if elected.

The majority voted against Nifong but for non-viable candidates.

Anyone voting "The Party" selected Nifong when they voted the Democratic Ticket.
 

marv81s

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You are right...when they decided to defend Rush Limbagh's privacy you knew they were wacky.

Then they spend Millions upon Milliions defend Christians?

What a horrible organization.

Recent ACLU Cases Defending the Constitutional Rights of Christians


Rhode Island ACLU (2006) filed an appeal in federal court on behalf of
an inmate who was barred from preaching during Christian religious
services, something he had done for the past seven years under the
supervision and support of prison clergy. The prisoner, Wesley Spratt,
believes his preaching is a calling from God. Prison officials cited
vague and unsubstantiated security reasons for imposing the preaching
ban on Mr. Spratt. The ACLU argued that the ban violates Mr. Spratt's
religious freedoms guaranteed to prisoners under federal law.

The ACLU of Nevada (2005) defended the free exercise rights and free
speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of
the Strip in Las Vegas .

The ACLU of New Mexico (2005) joined forces with the American Family
Association to succeed in freeing a preacher, Shawn Miller, from the
Roosevelt County jail, where he was held for 109 days for street
preaching. The ACLU became involved at the request of Miller's wife,
Theresa.

The ACLU of New Jersey (2005) filed a a motion to submit a
friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of Olivia Turton, a second-grade
student who was forbidden from singing 'Awesome God' in a voluntary,
after-school talent show. The only restriction on the student's
selection for the talent show was that it be 'G-rated.' The case, filed
in federal court, is Turton, et al. v. Frenchtown Elementary School , et al.

The ACLU of Michigan (2005) filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of Joseph
Hanas, a Catholic, who was criminally punished for not completing a drug
rehabilitation program run by the Pentecostal group. Part of the
program required reading the Bible for seven hours a day, proclaiming
one's salvation at the alter, and being tested on Pentecostal
principles. Staff confiscated Mr. Hanas's rosary and told him
Catholicism was witchcraft.

The ACLU of Louisiana (2005) filed suit against the Department of
Corrections on behalf of a Mormon inmate, Norman Sanders, who was denied
the right to practice his religion by being denied access to religious
texts, including The Book of Mormon, and Mormon religious services.
'Mormons should receive the same accommodation of their beliefs as do
individuals of other faiths,' said Joe Cook, Executive Director, ACLU of
Louisiana. 'Fair and equal treatment means they deserve the right to a
place to meet, have a minister and discuss their beliefs like other groups.'

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2005) won a battle against Turtle Creek
Borough that repeatedly denied an occupancy permit to a predominantly
African-American church, Ekklesia, which had purchased the church
building from a predominantly white parish. The case is Ekklesia Church
v. Borough of Turtle Creek. The case was settled.

The ACLU of Oregon (2004-05) filed suit on behalf of high school
basketball players from an Adventist school against the Oregon School
Activities Association, which administers competitive athletic and
artistic competitions in Oregon high schools. The ACLU argued that the
Adventist basketball players who have made it to the state tournament
should not be required to play tournament games on Saturday, their
Sabbath. The case, argued in Oregon courts, is Nakashima v. Board Of
Education.

The ACLU of Nevada (2004) represented a Mormon high school student, Kim
Jacobs, who school authorities suspended and then attempted to expel for
not complying with the school dress code and wearing T-shirts with
religious messages. Jacobs won a preliminary victory in court where the
judge ruled the school could not expel her for not complying with the
dress code. The First Amendment issue of student expression is before
the Ninth Circuit.

The ACLU of Washington (2004) reached a favorable settlement on behalf
of Donald Ausderau, a Christian minister, who wanted to preach to the
public on Plaza sidewalks.

The ACLU of Virginia (2004) interceded with local authorities on behalf
of Baptist preachers who were refused permission to perform baptisms in
the river in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County .

The Indiana Civil Liberties Union (2004) filed suit against the city of
Scottsburg for their repeated threats of arrest and/or citation against
members of the Old Paths Baptist Church for demonstrating regarding
various subjects dealing with their religious beliefs.

With the help of the ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (2004), the Church Army, an Episcopal social service group, was able to keep its program of
feeding the homeless running. The ACLU convinced the County Health
Department to reverse a decision that meals served to homeless people in
a church must be cooked on the premises, as opposed to individual
homes. Had the decision not been reversed, the ministry would have been
forced to cease the program.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2004) was victorious in its arguments that
government had to accommodate Amish drivers who used highly reflective
gray tape on their buggies instead of orange triangles, to which the
Amish objected for religious reasons.

The ACLU of New Jersey (2004) appeared as amicus curaie in opposition to
a prosecutor's act of striking potential jurors from a jury pool based
on the fact that the prosecutor perceived those individuals to be
'demonstrative about their religion.' One potential juror was a
missionary; the other juror was wearing Muslim religious garb, including
a skull cap. The ACLU-NJ argued that such an action violates the
religion clauses of both the United States and New Jersey Constitutions.
It also argued that not only is it inappropriate for jurors to be struck
because they are demonstrable about their religion but, in addition,
such a basis will often amount to a removal based upon a particular
religious belief or affiliation and will lead to discrimination against
identifiable religious minorities. The case is State v. Fuller (NJ SCt
2004).

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2004) settled a lawsuit on behalf of Second
Baptist Church of Homestead, a predominantly African-American church
that had been denied a zoning permit to operate in a church building
purchased by a white congregation. The occupancy permit was awarded in
2002, and in 2004, the Borough of West Mifflin agreed to pay damages and
compensate the church for its loses. The case is Second Baptist Church
of Homestead v. Borough of West Mifflin.

The ACLU of Massachusetts (2003) intervened on behalf of a group of
students at Westfield High School who were suspended for distributing
candy canes and a religious message in school. The ACLU succeeded in
having the suspensions revoked and filed an amicus brief in a lawsuit
brought on behalf of the students against the school district. Students
who were suspended include Daniel S. Souza, Stephen J. Grabowski, Sharon
L. Sitler and Paul Sitler.

The ACLU of Rhode Island (2003) interceded on behalf of an
interdenominational group of carolers who were denied the opportunity to
sing Christmas carols on Christmas Eve to inmates at the women's prison
in Cranston , Rhode Island .

The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2002) publicly supported a group of
Christian students who filed a lawsuit against Davenport Schools
asserting their right to distribute religious literature during
non-instructional time. The ICLU filed a friend-of-the-court brief in
the suit on behalf of the students.

The ACLU of Massachusetts (2002) filed a brief supporting the right of
the Church of the Good News to run ads criticizing the secularization of
Christmas and promoting Christianity as the 'one true religion' after
the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority refused to allow the paid
advertisements to be posted and to sell additional advertising space to
the church.

The ACLU of Virginia (2002) joined the Rev. Jerry Falwell in winning a
lawsuit arguing the Virginia Constitution's provision that bans
religious organizations from incorporating is unconstitutional.
The ACLU of Michigan (beginning in 2001) represented Abby Moler, a
student at Sterling Heights Stevenson High School , whose yearbook entry
was deleted because of its religious content.

The ACLU of Massachusetts (2000) defended inmate Peter Kane's right to
exercise his religious beliefs when prison officials confiscated his
rosary beads. The rosary beads were black and white and prison rules
allow only solid-colored beads.

The ACLU of Virginia (2000) represented Charles D. Johnson, a street
preacher who was convicted under Richmond 's noise ordinance. The
Virginia Court of Appeals reversed his conviction in 2000. The case is
Johnson v. City of Richmond, 2000 WL 1459848 (Va. App. 2000).

The ACLU of Virginia (1999) filed suit against the Department of Defense
and the Office of Personnel Management on behalf of Michelle Hall, a
Jehovah's Witness who was fired from her job as a produce worker at Ft.
Belvoir commissary because she refused to sign a loyalty oath. Ms. Hall
objected to a phrase in the oath, that she would 'bear true faith and
allegiance to' the Constitution, because it contradicts her undivided
allegiance and faithfulness to Jehovah. The ACLU argued the oath
violated Ms. Hall's freedom of religion and speech rights. In a
settlement, Ms. Hall was reinstated and given back pay.

The ACLU of Eastern Missouri (1999) secured a favorable settlement for a
nurse, Miki M. Cain, who was fired for wearing a cross-shaped lapel pin
on her uniform.

The ACLU of Virginia (1997-1999) represented Rita Warren and her mission
to erect a crèche on Fairfax County government space that had been set
aside as a public forum. The ACLU argued restricting the use of the
public forum to county residents only was an unreasonable restriction.
The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the ACLU.

The ACLU of Iowa (1997) represented Conservative Christians in Clarke
County and won the right to force a county referendum on gambling.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1997) represented
Carlyn Kline, a fundamentalist Christian woman who challenged the
legality of a mandatory divorce-counseling program conducted by Catholic
Charities. Her religious beliefs prohibited her from attending
'non-Christian' counseling.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1997) intervened on
behalf of a Mennonite nurse and prevented his firing for refusing to
shave his beard for religious reasons. The employer demanded the nurse
shave his beard so the state-issued mask to guard against tuberculosis
would fit tightly despite the employee's offer to purchase a more
expensive mask that would is approved for work with T.B. patients and
that would fit properly with his beard intact. After receiving
telephone calls and letters from the ACLU, the state employer agreed to
accommodate the nurse's religion.

Amish farmers benefited from the ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh
Chapter's letter threatening a lawsuit if the Elk Lick Township rescind
a municipal ordinance that prohibited farm tractors with steel wheels
from traveling on or over the township's roads. Amish religious beliefs
dictate that they maintain steel wheels on their tractors and the
ordinance prevented Amish farmers from moving their tractors from one
farm to another, and in some cases from one part of their property to
another. The township rescinded the ordinance in 1995 and dropped all
charges against the various persons charged under the ordinance.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1995) represented a
17-year-old foster child who was being forced to attend her foster
family's church. The foster child was Methodist and the church she was
being forced to attend was not of the Methodist faith. After the ACLU
threatened to sue the county allowed the child to attend a Methodist
church and placed her in a different foster home.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1995) secured the
right of a minister from the United Methodist Church to hold meetings in
the Harmony Township Borough building that was open for use by community
groups.

Iowa affiliate of the ACLU (1995) represented and vindicated the free
speech and religious expression of a conservative Christian activist,
Elaine Jaquith of Waterloo , who had been denied access to broadcast her
message on public television.

The ACLU of Texas (beginning in1995) represented Catholic and Mormon
Santa Fe High School students who opposed the proselytizing prayers
offered by the school's student council chaplain over the public address
system prior to home football games. The U.S. Supreme Court agreed
that public schools should not be used to proselytize on behalf of
religion. Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000)

The ACLU of Vermont (1994-95) represented evangelical Christians Freda
and Perry Hollyer, who were denied Medicaid and food stamp benefits
because they refused to obtain social security numbers for their
children. The Hollyers believed that obtaining social security numbers
for their children ran contrary to their understanding of the Book of
Revelations. The ACLU appealed the denial to the state's Human Services
Board. The Board ruled in favor of the Hollyers holding that the
state's legitimate interests in preventing fraud could be achieved
without use of a social security number. The Board's ruling is on file
with the ACLU's Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief.

The ACLU of Utah (1990s) represented an evangelical Christian ministry
that had been evicted and denied future access as a vendor at a state
fair because fair-goers objected to the religious content of the message.

Yeah OK, they do something good every now and then, but overall they have gotten away from their original purpose and are now, for the most part, a far left political organization. From what I can see, like I have said, its what I believe and my opinion. I could be wrong, but its what I think. You and I just don't see eye to eye politically LOVEMYIRISH. Thats OK, least we have common ground on ND and that is the important thing on this board.
 
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I nominate marv81s to replace John Bolten at the UN seeing how the Dems will never confirm him now that they have control.
Marv's right...yet still diplomatic.
 

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Yeah OK, they do something good every now and then, but overall they have gotten away from their original purpose and are now, for the most part, a far left political organization. From what I can see, like I have said, its what I believe and my opinion. I could be wrong, but its what I think. You and I just don't see eye to eye politically LOVEMYIRISH. Thats OK, least we have common ground on ND and that is the important thing on this board.

Every now and then?

They are the biggest defender of freedom of religion in the USA!!!

35 reilgious freedom items mentioned here in 7 years. Not bad for not-for-profit org...

Name one other organization that has defended religious freedom more in America...you are welcome to try...I doubt you will find one.
 
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Name one other organization that has defended religious freedom more in America...you are welcome to try...I doubt you will find one.

How about the three branches of the government of the United States?
There. That's three.
 

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All religions or just specific ones?

All religions. If you read above you see where they protected Christians, Muslims, and Jews... However, the majority of cases are defending Christians from perseuction...but that's simply because there are more Christians in America. I sincerely doubt they ignore religions outside of Christianity.

"The ACLU of Nevada (2005) defended the free exercise rights and free
speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of
the Strip in Las Vegas . "

"The ACLU of New Mexico (2005) joined forces with the American Family
Association to succeed in freeing a preacher, Shawn Miller, from the
Roosevelt County jail, where he was held for 109 days for street
preaching. The ACLU became involved at the request of Miller's wife,
Theresa. "

"The ACLU of Michigan (2005) filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of Joseph
Hanas, a Catholic, who was criminally punished for not completing a drug
rehabilitation program run by the Pentecostal group. Part of the
program required reading the Bible for seven hours a day, proclaiming
one's salvation at the alter, and being tested on Pentecostal
principles. Staff confiscated Mr. Hanas's rosary and told him
Catholicism was witchcraft. "
 

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How about the three branches of the government of the United States?
There. That's three.

Most of the time, Congress and the President are finding ways to discriminate against different religious groups (outside of their constituencies of course!)...so I would not say they have done more.

The Judicial Branch has done well, especially in the last 50 years.

However, I would not exactly call them organizations as such...they are really Constitutional Institutions. They are not a not-for-profit, etc. They are certainly NOT funded by VOLUNTARY donations either. ;)
 

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All religions. If you read above you see where they protected Christians, Muslims, and Jews...
I was just trying to point out there are plenty of orgs who fight for religious freedom but they generally focus on the religion they subscribe to. Maybe a litle different than what you're speaking about but they don't fight against other religions to my knowledge; they're just looking out for their own, first. And most often they don't have the resources to fight for all the religions of the world anyway so I don't think you can really hold that against them.
 

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I was just trying to point out there are plenty of orgs who fight for religious freedom but they generally focus on the religion they subscribe to. Maybe a litle different than what you're speaking about but they don't fight against other religions to my knowledge; they're just looking out for their own, first. And most often they don't have the resources to fight for all the religions of the world anyway so I don't think you can really hold that against them.

Agreed...however the ACLU defends religious freedom in the USA as its enshrined in the Constitution...so they fight for all religions to be free from government persecution...instead of being focused on just one small sliver of religion or a specific denomination.
 
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Most of the time, Congress and the President are finding ways to discriminate against different religious groups...

Please tell me you don't really believe that.

The peoples elected representatives have been extra-constitutionally and criminally countervening the Constitution of the United States of America without recrimination for 200+ years ????

Bollocks !!!!!
 

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Every now and then?

They are the biggest defender of freedom of religion in the USA!!!

35 reilgious freedom items mentioned here in 7 years. Not bad for not-for-profit org...

Name one other organization that has defended religious freedom more in America...you are welcome to try...I doubt you will find one.

Most of their donations come from 2 far left Billionaires that are doing everything they can to influence our politcal system. I won't mention the names of those two, but I think anyone that follows politics knows who I am talking about. Yeah, the ACLU does what THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO DO, thats there purpose. Its not going to be totally obvious, but they are a political affiliation now. They are filing suits to remove "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance", they file suits to remove religious symbols from state seals, they represent an organization that represents f'n child molesters, a organization that had one of its members molest and kill a 9 year old kid, and they are representing this sick bastards for free. They are against laws that would require parental notification/permission of their underage kid getting an abortion and they think prisoners down in Gitmo are entitled to the same rights as your or I. These people would cut your head off in a heartbeat and were taken prisoner on a battlefield. They will get their day in court in a military court. That is good enough for me, but they don't deserve anything more than that. Even if they are American citizens, they gave up that citizenship when they took up the terrorist cause.

For each citation you give to support your belief, I could give one that supports mine. We can go back and forth all day. Your mind is made up on what you think, and mine is made up on what I think of them.
 

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Please tell me you don't really believe that.

The peoples elected representatives have been extra-constitutionally and criminally countervening the Constitution of the United States of America without recrimination for 200+ years ????

Bollocks !!!!!

I think they do at times...and the courts have held them in check. I also believe that many times the President or Congress at the time will prevent the other from doing these things.

It's human nature to do what you want, not what you are constrained to do. The courts have over the past 200 years struck down MANY MANY laws that were unconstitutional. John Adams was the first President to have this happen to him...
 

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They are filing suits to remove "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance", they file suits to remove religious symbols from state seals

Religious symbols have no place on our flags, money, or in the Pledge. That's not religious freedom...that's religious imposition.

"Under God" was not in the Pledge until the 50's. "In God We Trust" only appeared on money back in the Civil War...and then only a couple of times.

I am a more traditionalist Christian though...so I find these things somewhat in bad taste and borderline offensive (the thought you would put God on money??? That He would be associated with such a temporal thing...I just can't stomach it). However, since my Christian values are more conservative than some, I tend to let bygones be bygones.

they represent an organization that represents f'n child molesters, a organization that had one of its members molest and kill a 9 year old kid, and they are representing this sick bastards for free.

I have not looked into the details on this one. So I cannot speak to this specific incident.

They are against laws that would require parental notification/permission of their underage kid getting an abortion

That's excellent. It prevents parents from harming their children... Thank God, we in Oregon just voted down a measure to impose notification.

and they think prisoners down in Gitmo are entitled to the same rights as your or I. These people would cut your head off in a heartbeat and were taken prisoner on a battlefield.

Just because a man is bad of heart does not mean he loses his rights. That's not how a Civilized society works...it also goes against the core principles this country was founded on.

They will get their day in court in a military court.

That remains to be seen.

Even if they are American citizens, they gave up that citizenship when they took up the terrorist cause.

Many took up no cause. In fact, a number of folks at Gitmo were picked up in their house when a personal enemy of theirs turned them into the Americans as "terrorists". It was a way for the Warlords over there to have their enemies removed.

For each citation you give to support your belief, I could give one that supports mine. We can go back and forth all day. Your mind is made up on what you think, and mine is made up on what I think of them.

Maybe...although, you have yet to give a citation showing where they do not defend freedom, civil rights, or the constitution.
 

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How about the three branches of the government of the United States?
There. That's three.
Which is why warrant-less searches that circumvent the judicial branch are such a bad idea : )
Agreed...however the ACLU defends religious freedom in the USA as its enshrined in the Constitution...so they fight for all religions to be free from government persecution...instead of being focused on just one small sliver of religion or a specific denomination.
DING DING DING!!! someone gets it! They believe that people have the right to believe and say what they want without the government telling them otherwise, amongst other things.
They are filing suits to remove "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance", they file suits to remove religious symbols from state seals, they represent an organization that represents f'n child molesters, a organization that had one of its members molest and kill a 9 year old kid, and they are representing this sick bastards for free.
Again: "Under God" was added to the pledge, which kids are taught to recite, during the red scare to show that the country was "dedicated to the Almighty". Too bad that legally, it can't be "dedicated to the Almighty".
No, the ACLU does not represent child molesters. Find me a case where the ACLU has been involved in a Statutory Rape or Sexual Abuse of a Minor case and defending the illegal actions of the defendant, and I'll change my mind. But the only thing the ACLU is doing is representing a group and their right to have and speak their (highly) minority opinion. They don't get involved in defending criminals of their crimes (unless their "crime" happens to be an action granted by the constitution). Further, NAMBLA did not "have" a member molest and kill a 9 year old. Shit like this happens all the time, NAMBLA or no NAMBLA. NAMBLA is a political group, not something you saw on Saturday morning cartoons, sending out their henchmen to do their evil bidding. I'm by no means trying to defend ANY of what NAMBLA does. But, whether YOU like them or not doesn't matter. They're ENTITLED to the freedom of speech under the US Constitution. What you don't seem to be able to do is separate the sick and illegal acts of some of their members from their sick and completely legal speaking of their viewpoint. Associating the two would be a logical fallacy. Check up on "taking a part for the whole".
And I don't see why representing anybody, guilty or not, pro bono is a bad thing. EVERYBODY, even the worst person ever, if they're american citizens, have a constitutional right to an attorney. representing someone when they can't get representation elsewhere upholds the constitution, and is quite a noble thing to do, regardless of who the defendent is or what they've done.
Even if they are American citizens, they gave up that citizenship when they took up the terrorist cause.
Legally, no they didn't. There's a reason Treason is a US law that applies to US citizens. Those guys are still US citizens, and whether you personally like it or not, they're legally entitled to a trial by their peers (not a military court), a right to an attorney (which they're not getting), and a right to due process (also not a military court). I'd love to see these guys rot, but AFTER they've been proven guilty in an open american court of law that wasn't arranged for convicting supposed terrorists.

I know I said I would stop, but as long as you keep using the same faulty logic, I'm going to keep bagging you for it.

EDIT: oh, and rep to lovemyirish. good points.
... argh... spread it around? come on. : D
 
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