Coach Protocol?

[LuckoftheIrish86]

This is the main page story over at cbssportsline.com

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9592809

Interesting read, While I don't really care how he treats the media and rich boosters, It is interesting to think how Weis' uncharismatic personality and lack of being "cool" in the eyes on recruits compared to the Ultra "buddy" Poodle Pete Carroll.

Don;t get me wrong I love Weis but I think this is a valid topic.

 

[KMac151993]

What Weis has to do to counter this is win...then he can say would you rather be 'cool' or win a national championship.

 

[domer88]

I guess CBS does need or does not want any access to Weis. We have already learned that if you write an unflattering piece - with very few verifiable facts - Weis will shut you out.

The piece is centered on 1 rich ND booster (anonymous), who was insulted by Weis. He probably wanted more time than Weis was willing to give.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

I guess CBS does need or does not want any access to Weis. We have already learned that if you write an unflattering piece - with very few verifiable facts - Weis will shut you out.

The piece is centered on 1 rich ND booster (anonymous), who was insulted by Weis. He probably wanted more time than Weis was willing to give.

yeah your probably right, I wanted to look at this from more of a recruiting standpoint/

 

[lattedatte]

unbelivable, is this the same guy that went over to the USC locker room and congradulated them on a hard fought vicotory??? The same guy that let a kid call a 1st down play from their own one yard line??? If he is so arrogant and cocky, there is no way those things would happen. And this one f'n booster is displeased becuase he wasn't babied and catered to becuase he has a roman numerial after his name or his bankroll is bigger then his pecker.. Boosters should never be used as a credible source, that's nearly as bad as calling the AFL-CIO a credible source on George Bush or getting the NRA's feeling's about Clinton. I put about as much value in this article as my wife's thoughts on Fed's monetary policy. And if its true, good, I like him more for not catering to outside pressure.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

sounds to me like this piece blows the amount of "scourned" alumni and athletic dept. staff way out of proportion. i'm sure the booster got his feelings hurt bc throwing money at the school didn't get his access to the locker room or to practices or whatever else he wanted to try to pull the strings on. so what if he's a no nonsense guy. it's admirable. especially when paired with hannah and friends, pass right, etc. it's not like he rampages around the midwest pissing people off. let him WORK people. that's his job. i'd like to know how weis has alienated people. the article never seems to mention anything resembling specific.

 

[jiggafini19]

Great post Latte.

Don't forget standing with Navy during the playing of their alma mater.

Gotta love people with money. They think everyone should kiss their ass and lick their feet.

I wonder how many of these boosters are former players. Or are they just jock sniffers with big mouths, big wallets and big stomachs?

 

[NDAlumSon]

.....are they just jock sniffers with big mouths, big wallets and big stomachs?

Jigga, pretty sure you hit the nail on the head.

 

[NDAlumSon]

Thoughts on Charlie

Thoughts on Charlie

I've been watching Charlie's post-practice press conferences. Couple of quick thoughts:
1) Having watched Charlie and followed him through his Patriots tenure,(it has been really nice, by the way, being a Patriots fan, even through the Grogan & Eason years) none of this is really new to me, but for those who are just becoming acquainted with him, especially hot-shot young reporters or self-important alumni, he knows what the hell he is doing. All you have to do is basically step aside, shut up, watch and learn. If all those Super Bowl championships aren't enough to convince you that the man is highly accomplished, then you have no business commenting on football in the first place.
2) Highly qualified people, regardless of their post in life, demand excellence not only of themselves but of those in their charge. That's their focus and their priority. They will gladly listen to those who have genuine interest in tapping into their particular expertise and learning more about what creates greatness. It's not ego that drives the sharing of their information, but rather it's the caring that one might find in a great teacher or a loving parent who is excited that others, trying to better themselves in some way, reach out to those who are wiser than they, that truely excites them. If you've ever read, listened to or been fortunate enough to have worked for, Jack Welsh (former head of GE) he is one of those types of people. So is Charlie Weis.
3) The so-called "protocol", which began this thread, is a product of the point I made above. Greatness is a time consuming effort and if that's ones goal, why would anyone let those whose concerns are irrelevant or supercilious to its pursuit get in the way of ones progess. His demeanor at these press conferences and the respect that those in attendance afford him, speak to the fact that they might just be "getting it".
In that sense he reminds me very much of Donald Rumsfeld. Now whether you agree with the defense secretary or not, whether you like his prosecution of the war our country finds itself in or not , you cannot argue with the fact that this also is a very accomplished man who has very little patience for those in the Pentagon press corp who lob disrespectful, uninformed or just plain stupid questions his way (see especially CNN's Jamie McIntyre).
So for those who question the capability , competence, affability, or demeanor of Coach Weis, I suggest you examine your motives first.

 

[BGIF]

Hamnik and Freeman are proof of the expression, "Don't get in a battle of words with people who buy ink by the barrel".

The alumnus I spoke to tells of stories of booster clubs being snubbed by Weis and his staff and lower level athletic department officials being treated with a lack of respect. Since it is difficult to verify these stories, they will not be repeated. But the booster insists he is not being overly sensitive and he is not alone in his feelings.

That's the lawyer's trick to get hearsay into evidence. This is where the judge instructs the jury to "disregard that statement". Freeman noted "they will not be repeated" although he already did. Then he substantiates his anonymous source by noting the source noted, "he is not alone in his feeling."

Feelings.

Now that's irrefutable evidence.

Likewise citing Hamnik is a circular reference to add weight to his argument without adding any substance.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

yeah exactly, all weight no substance.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Every coach has a style that SOMEONE won't like. Whether it's a rich alum, a generic fan, or a student. You cannot please everyone.

Charlie is ham-fisted...he can be a dick.

HOWEVER...

He stands for integrity, holds his players to a high standard, strives for perfection, believes in himself, his team, and his school...AND he treats people equally.

He may not be a big softy or even easy to get along with, but he is doing things his way...and its NOT destructive...so I think he deserves room to be himself. If he tries to be something he is not...he WILL fail.

Below is the quotation that for me summarizes best how I view the University and it's ideals. From what I have seen so far, CW fits the bill.

"It's dark and cold outside. I'm too old to cry and not old enough not to feel hurt...We can never be sure of total victory, not even of eternal salvation, until we've won it. Life goes on, the challenge remains and it will be really a dark day and cold place at Notre Dame if we ever lose the desire to be No.1 in every thing we do, or lack grace and style and humanity in doing it."
- Fr. Ted Hesburgh after the season ending loss to So. Cal in '64, halting a perfect season

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

great post, rep points

I agree with everything you said but do you think maybe he could be a little more personable/likeable towards recruits?

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

great post, rep points

I agree with everything you said but do you think maybe he could be a little more personable/likeable towards recruits?

Why lie? He lays it out for them. In the NFL they better be prepared for it.

I agree sometimes I think "oof" he coulda been a bit nicer...but he is what he is. And I think the media is clear on it...and recruits are clear on it.

He is NOT arbitrarily brutal and I think that is clear to people. He only gets on people when they lose focus and don't play well. When they do he DOES say good things.

Like with Prince... "Whooff" That's praise, pure and simple.

 

[ralphwaldoemerson]

I've been watching Charlie's post-practice press conferences. Couple of quick thoughts:
1) Having watched Charlie and followed him through his Patriots tenure,(it has been really nice, by the way, being a Patriots fan, even through the Grogan & Eason years) none of this is really new to me, but for those who are just becoming acquainted with him, especially hot-shot young reporters or self-important alumni, he knows what the hell he is doing. All you have to do is basically step aside, shut up, watch and learn. If all those Super Bowl championships aren't enough to convince you that the man is highly accomplished, then you have no business commenting on football in the first place.
2) Highly qualified people, regardless of their post in life, demand excellence not only of themselves but of those in their charge. That's their focus and their priority. They will gladly listen to those who have genuine interest in tapping into their particular expertise and learning more about what creates greatness. It's not ego that drives the sharing of their information, but rather it's the caring that one might find in a great teacher or a loving parent who is excited that others, trying to better themselves in some way, reach out to those who are wiser than they, that truely excites them. If you've ever read, listened to or been fortunate enough to have worked for, Jack Welsh (former head of GE) he is one of those types of people. So is Charlie Weis.
3) The so-called "protocol", which began this thread, is a product of the point I made above. Greatness is a time consuming effort and if that's ones goal, why would anyone let those whose concerns are irrelevant or supercilious to its pursuit get in the way of ones progess. His demeanor at these press conferences and the respect that those in attendance afford him, speak to the fact that they might just be "getting it".
In that sense he reminds me very much of Donald Rumsfeld. Now whether you agree with the defense secretary or not, whether you like his prosecution of the war our country finds itself in or not , you cannot argue with the fact that this also is a very accomplished man who has very little patience for those in the Pentagon press corp who lob disrespectful, uninformed or just plain stupid questions his way (see especially CNN's Jamie McIntyre).
So for those who question the capability , competence, affability, or demeanor of Coach Weis, I suggest you examine your motives first.

Donald Rumsfeld is generally considered (and this is generally, as in, by the vast majority of the American public, and by his peers, and by everyone outside of the Bush administration, including much of the GOP) to be

a) incompetent

b) corrupt

and, by many in this country, and much of the rest of the world

c) a war criminal


Pick a different comparison.

 

[jiggafini19]

Charlie is ham-fisted...he can be a dick.

No doubt about it. It appears now that anyone who writes something unfavorable about him gets blacklisted.

I find it rather foolish, to be honest. Then again, I find the entire sports media process to be foolish too.

 

[KMac151993]

No doubt about it. It appears now that anyone who writes something unfavorable about him gets blacklisted.

I find it rather foolish, to be honest. Then again, I find the entire sports media process to be foolish too.

I agree, he is a take it or leave it kind of guy, no nonsense....good for dealing with players and game situations but maybe bad for the media.

 

[sblxdoc]

I love how Weis handles the media. He follows the Law of Lesser Pissers...if you're given the choice between pissing someone else off and pissing yourself off, choose them every time. Others come and go, but you're with you your whole life.(John Demartini, D.C.)

 

[NDAlumSon]

Donald Rumsfeld is generally considered (and this is generally, as in, by the vast majority of the American public, and by his peers, and by everyone outside of the Bush administration, including much of the GOP) to be

a) incompetent, b) corrupt, and, by many in this country, and much of the rest of the world
c) a war criminal. Pick a different comparison.

I prefaced my naming of the man with qualifiers to precisely avoid the kind of adolescent vitriol which you so ham-handedly spew.
It's typical of those on the far left, like yourself evidently. A repeating pattern of missing or changing the point so that the world makes sense to you or that you belong to some sort of fellowship of the eternally unhappy or maybe you just can't sleep until you've spouted the usual "I hate Bush", "America is evil", "Cheney is a war criminal" NONSENSE.
I somehow knew this type of response was coming and, quite frankly, it's sad.
Now aren't you late for your daily rant at the Huffington Post.
BTW, this begins and ends my participation in this OFF TOPIC POINT, so rant away at your leisure.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

No doubt about it. It appears now that anyone who writes something unfavorable about him gets blacklisted.

I find it rather foolish, to be honest. Then again, I find the entire sports media process to be foolish too.

Well, you can be critical, but don't just make crap up like these two numbnuts did at the SBT.

I read their articles and thought they were surreal at best.