Clemson Postgame...

[IrishJayhawk]

Agree, can't believe Kelly called for Prosise to fumble that ball, or Sanders to fumble the opening kick off. How bout the play call where he told Kizer to throw it right at the middle linebacker? The worst one was the one where he told CRob to drop the long pass inside the 3.

Ultimately the coaches get credit/blame for the final score but play-calling did not hand Clemson the game.

Bottom line is that the team that turns the ball over 3+ times loses about 87% of the time. The play calls didn't put our guys in a position to fumble the ball. The players just messed up.

 

[JughedJones]

No I left italics off on purpose. That playcalling was beyond pathetic. If you were one of the 10 people in America that couldn't see how bad the 2-pt conversion vs. field goal and the last play were then I'm sorry.



touché.

Just makes my point more disappointing.

Going for 2 was the right call at the time.

However, pulling up 5 year old threads to bash on play calling after a hard fought game?

I'm gonna go ahead and call that pathetic.

 

[pkt77242]

No I left italics off on purpose. That playcalling was beyond pathetic. If you were one of the 10 people in America that couldn't see how bad the 2-pt conversion vs. field goal and the last play were then I'm sorry.



touché.

Just makes my point more disappointing.

Unfortunately, you have shown your level of football intelligence. Play calling did not lose us the game (not that it was amazing play calling), that would be the turnovers and tackling. Sorry that you in your hate for Kelly can't be objective.

 

[theclassickiller]

If you are so smart, and see things so clearly; why don't you provide us a list of all of the accolades that you have won for coaching NCAA DI-A football?

I can't. Never done it. But at year 6, Kelly has about the same accolades in D1 that I have, that's the problem.

I love this guy. I just don't know how much longer I can wait for him to make the jump.

 

[theclassickiller]

Unfortunately, you have shown your level of football intelligence. Play calling did not lose us the game (not that it was amazing play calling), that would be the turnovers and tackling. Sorry that you in your hate for Kelly can't be objective.

I have no hate for Kelly. I feel disappointment, but no hate. I'm not smarter that him. I have no coaching experience. But let me ask you one thing...

If we go for the PAT, are we in overtime? Who in their right mind wasn't yelling "go for the PAT!!!!!"

 

[Southside Sully]

I give Kizer a lot of credit how he hung in the game, drop passes , turnovers etc. kids a born leader and I'm comfortable with him in the future. What I'm not comfortable with is the awful play calling . You run the ball on 2&10 multiple times when obviously the run was inefficient. Then for a 2 point you run it when the pass got you to the goaline twice in 4 minutes?? Also why don't you go for 2 on the previous TD? I'm just very perplexed on some of the calls in deep situations. We were getting one on one coverage the whole first half and we were running it.

 

[KPENN]

I give Kizer a lot of credit how he hung in the game, drop passes , turnovers etc. kids a born leader and I'm comfortable with him in the future. What I'm not comfortable with is the awful play calling . You run the ball on 2&10 multiple times when obviously the run was inefficient. Then for a 2 point you run it when the pass got you to the goaline twice in 4 minutes?? Also why don't you go for 2 on the previous TD? I'm just very perplexed on some of the calls in deep situations. We were getting one on one coverage the whole first half and we were running it.

This might be the most hilarious argument(not just from you) but people kill, kill Kelley for abandoning the run. So tonight he sticks with it and still gets killed.

 

[kmoose]

I have no hate for Kelly. I feel disappointment, but no hate. I'm not smarter that him. I have no coaching experience. But let me ask you one thing...

If we go for the PAT, are we in overtime? Who in their right mind wasn't yelling "go for the PAT!!!!!"

If Corey Robinson doesn't choke and whiff on the play, are we kicking an XP to WIN the game at the end?

 

[theclassickiller]

I give Kizer a lot of credit how he hung in the game, drop passes , turnovers etc. kids a born leader and I'm comfortable with him in the future. What I'm not comfortable with is the awful play calling . You run the ball on 2&10 multiple times when obviously the run was inefficient. Then for a 2 point you run it when the pass got you to the goaline twice in 4 minutes?? Also why don't you go for 2 on the previous TD? I'm just very perplexed on some of the calls in deep situations. We were getting one on one coverage the whole first half and we were running it.

Hey now, don't argue logical things here! This thread is reserved for blaming players and placing no blame on Kelly! Shame on you!

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I just don't get how we can have such phenomenal pass pro but such bad run blocking. I get that they had 6 or 7 in the box on many occasions, but the run blocking was just plain poor tonight.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I have no hate for Kelly. I feel disappointment, but no hate. I'm not smarter that him. I have no coaching experience. But let me ask you one thing...

If we go for the PAT, are we in overtime? Who in their right mind wasn't yelling "go for the PAT!!!!!"

Down 12 in the 4th quarter? The percentages say to go for it.

Two Point Conversion Chart

Conversion confusion: When going for two, wait 'til the fourth - NFL.com

 

[pkt77242]

I have no hate for Kelly. I feel disappointment, but no hate. I'm not smarter that him. I have no coaching experience. But let me ask you one thing...

If we go for the PAT, are we in overtime? Who in their right mind wasn't yelling "go for the PAT!!!!!"

Sigh. Couldn't you say that about Kizer's pick, Brown's fumble, CRobs dropped 2 point conversion, Crob dropped long ball, and many many missed tackles. That doesn't even include Prosise's fumble or Sanders' fumble. I had no problem with Kelly going for 2 especially after Kizer called the TO. Then you are committed.

 

[pkt77242]

Down 12 in the 4th quarter? The percentages say to go for it.

Two Point Conversion Chart

Conversion confusion: When going for two, wait 'til the fourth - NFL.com

This is a message board, WTF are you doing making intelligent points?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Disagree, at least from my knowledge of the charts. I'm pretty sure when in comeback mode and counting scores in that situation you take the point.

Football Commentary: Two-Point Conversion Chart

We were down by 12, right? This chart suggests going for it was the right call if you think your chances of converting are > 20% (also significant, we've missed extra points this year). I'd say given the fact the ball hit Robinson's hands, our chances of making it were better than 20%. Wish we'd gone for it after the second TD, really.

 

[shalom]

My one beef with the coaching is that we didn't show up ready to play at 15:00 in the first quarter. You're not going to win many football games if you don't wake up until halfway through the third. You can get away with it against UMass but not against Clemson.

Having played sports, that's just what being a young team playing in a hostile environment in inclement weather is about. The rare team doesn't have to go through that adjustment, but credit the coaching and leadership on the team that Everyone Fights, No one Quits on this team. They kept battling despite some pretty bad turnovers and were taking over the game when they ran out of time

 

[theclassickiller]

If Corey Robinson doesn't choke and whiff on the play, are we kicking an XP to WIN the game at the end?

But he did.

And we could be in overtime.

You're arguing what-ifs. I'm arguing facts. We could have gone to overtime. Stop living in the past... Kelly tried to be aggressive and lost on bad playcalling. Not saying fire the guy, just stating what actually happened.

 

[JughedJones]

If you were one of the 10 people in America that couldn't see how bad the 2-pt conversion vs. field goal and the last play were then I'm sorry.

Down by 12?

Two Point Conversion Chart

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Down 12 in the 4th quarter? The percentages say to go for it.

Two Point Conversion Chart

Conversion confusion: When going for two, wait 'til the fourth - NFL.com

The biggest flaw in Vermeil's chart (and this is well known) is that it does not account for how much time is left in the game.

 

[Southside Sully]

This might be the most hilarious argument(not just from you) but people kill, kill Kelley for abandoning the run. So tonight he sticks with it and still gets killed.

I'm not blaming anyone I'm saying when we started running screens and wheels we started moving the ball. We have athletes who show they can make plays in space. They made a nice adjustment at halftime to what Clemson was showing only to abandon what worked in the second half on 2 and long and the 2 pt. I'm a huge believer in balanced attack but they had 8 in the box and our O-line was sloppy on runs let alone offsides

 

[IrishJayhawk]

But he did.

And we could be in overtime.

You're arguing what-ifs. I'm arguing facts. We could have gone to overtime. Stop living in the past... Kelly tried to be aggressive and lost on bad playcalling. Not saying fire the guy, just stating what actually happened.

The facts say that going for 2 is the right call. That's what the "chart" says. You're making a judgment based on the result, not on the best call at that moment.

 

[IrishinSyria]

The biggest flaw in Vermeil's chart (and this is well known) is that it does not account for how much time is left in the game.

The one I posted does. Result is the same.

 

[pkt77242]

But he did.

And we could be in overtime.

You're arguing what-ifs. I'm arguing facts. We could have gone to overtime. Stop living in the past... Kelly tried to be aggressive and lost on bad playcalling. Not saying fire the guy, just stating what actually happened.

No you aren't. You are arguing what-ifs just as much.

 

[NDRock]

Having played sports, that's just what being a young team playing in a hostile environment in inclement weather is about. The rare team doesn't have to go through that adjustment, but credit the coaching and leadership on the team that Everyone Fights, No one Quits on this team. They kept battling despite some pretty bad turnovers and were taking over the game when they ran out of time

We're not a young team (well they are college kids).

 

[KPENN]

Hey now, don't argue logical things here! This thread is reserved for blaming players and placing no blame on Kelly! Shame on you!

*sigh*. Nobody is saying it's not Kelly's fault, the problem is the way you are talking it seems you are placing ALL the blame on him.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

The biggest flaw in Vermeil's chart (and this is well known) is that it does not account for how much time is left in the game.

It was the 4th quarter. That's why I added the second link. It was early in the 4th. That makes it an interesting decision, but it certainly doesn't make it a horrible decision to go for 2.

 

[IrishinSyria]

But he did.

And we could be in overtime.

You're arguing what-ifs. I'm arguing facts. We could have gone to overtime. Stop living in the past... Kelly tried to be aggressive and lost on bad playcalling. Not saying fire the guy, just stating what actually happened.

lol

 

[NDRock]

*sigh*. Nobody is saying it's not Kelly's fault, the problem is the way you are talking it seems you are placing ALL the blame on him.

Exactly. By saying the TOs, dropped passes and poor tackling had no barring on the game makes you sound ignorant.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

The one I posted does. Result is the same.

Interesting. So that chart means if we believe that we have better than a 40% chance of getting the 2 point conversion, we should go for it?

 

[GATTACA!]

But he did.

And we could be in overtime.

You're arguing what-ifs. I'm arguing facts. We could have gone to overtime. Stop living in the past... Kelly tried to be aggressive and lost on bad playcalling. Not saying fire the guy, just stating what actually happened.

If you tell me before the play that we will get Robinson alone in the back of the endzone and Kizer will hit him in the hands we would all go for it 100% of the time. In that situation Kelly's call was perfect Robinson should have caught that ball.

 

[theclassickiller]

No you aren't. You are arguing what-ifs just as much.

Not really. You said "what if " Robinson catches the ball. He didn't. We did lose because we went for it when it didn't make sense. That's what I'm saying.

*sigh*. Nobody is saying it's not Kelly's fault, the problem is the way you are talking it seems you are placing ALL the blame on him.

I never said it's all on him. But the one consistent should be him. If Saban made two playcalls as bad as Kelly's tonight... trust me, we'd know about it. Its' a higher standard. If Kelly wants to be held to it then he needs to up his game.