Clausen leaving early??

[Junkhead]

Well this thread should be a bit quiet now.

 

[midwestguy]

Well this thread should be a bit quiet now.

cosign

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Why? Clausen is still a stud and will still get better.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

NDoomer,

You're the one "hating" on anyone who does not have same assessment of Clausen that you do.

Look, this is an ND site. And when I (we) "talk" ND we wear an ND hat. But when I (we) "talk" Pro, the ND hat comes off because a Pro scout doesn't wear one. The assessment is clinical not emotional. We're just talking from a different perspective.

You can hype Jimmy up in your mind all you want. But just don't knock the other guys for not being active participants in you day dreams when we talk Pro.

And frankly, calling us "haters' for making honest assessments about a kid we actually like on a team we love is an insult.

Versteh?

SteveM

I only wear one hat. You wear many, you comedian you. Capisci?

Stick to the humor. Wannabees should stick to wanting to be.

 

[SteveM]

Poisoning the Well

Poisoning the Well

I only wear one hat. You wear many, you comedian you. Capisci?

Stick to the humor. Wannabees should stick to wanting to be.

Oh, OK. now you've morphed from just being a quotidian gasbag into a little chihuahua attack dog nipping away at your "enemies" heels with spiteful impotence. Yap! Yap! Yap! (The size of the cranium accommodates your brain perfectly.)

Fine, wax copacetic in your delusions. Feel free to attack me all you want. Go ahead! Have at it! Being patronizingly dismissive of second rate minds is one of my favorite past times.

But it's sad really. You've demonstrated that underneath your disaffecting exterior is a disaffecting interior. And that adds a harsh, bitter taste that nobody wants to the general stew of benevolence that is this site.

I can only imagine the level of psychic carnage you must leave behind in the broader context of your personal relationships. Because this portal is of course a peephole into your troubled soul.

That said, I happen to really like and enjoy the guys here who want to talk football, not attack people personally. So I refuse to step into another little puddle of your malodorous ooze.

SteveM

 

[NDinL.A.]

cosign

Cosign? You also want to cosign on your argument that your boy Cody Hawkins is better than Jimmy? You know, Mr. "8-22 for 90 yards and pulled from the game" Cody Hawkins?

I'm still praying that he doesn't turn pro early. Just thinking about it makes me miss him already. However, as many others have pointed out, it's waaaaaayyyyy to early to be talking about that stuff. Shame on me for even thinking about it. Let's enjoy what we have going right now...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Oh, OK. now you've morphed from just being a quotidian gasbag into a little chihuahua attack dog nipping away at your "enemies" heels with spiteful impotence. Yap! Yap! Yap! (The size of the cranium accommodates your brain perfectly.)

Fine, wax copacetic in your delusions. Feel free to attack me all you want. Go ahead! Have at! Being patronizingly dismissive of second rate minds is one of my favorite past times.

But it's sad really. You've demonstrated that underneath your disaffecting exterior is a disaffecting interior. And that adds a harsh, bitter taste that nobody wants to the general stew of benevolence that is this site.

I can only imagine the level of psychic carnage you must leave behind in the broader context of your personal relationships. Because this portal is of course a peephole into your troubled soul.

That said, I happen to really like and enjoy the guys here who want to talk football, not attack people personally. So I refuse to step into another little puddle of your malodorous ooze.

SteveM

LOL. That was impressive. But I think you are "projecting" (look it up) here. You and the other guy have attacked me. I have simply responded. I am completely positive about this team and this qb, but I am realistic. If you refuse to step into my ooze, why did you spend so much time restepping on my ooze?. I'm confoozed. Yesterday, ND loozed.

By the way, it is "pastime," not "past time."

Carry on.


I enjoy the interaction.

 

[ARALOU]

Wow, I feel like I am reading a scene from Good Will Hunting. Do you guys have a thesaurus handy? Good stuff. I like word wars.

 

[phgreek]

Yea there is a ton of speculation in this discussion...but I'm guessing this is the place to do it???

JC goes nowhere if he doesn't face a test. They've faced some nice teams, but losing to Sparty and Tarheel ...knowing he had some level of contribution to both loses...he's got work to do.

Talent gets you on the board, winning all the games you should, most of the games that are questionable, and multiple games you shouldn't...that gets you drafted.

So looking over the schedule through '09, not seeing a ton of opportunities...true tests...for him to secure a top pick, assuming he performs.

no accounting for Bowl appearances/performances...so if they win a bowl game in '08 and run the table in '09 (and the passing numbers stay up)...maybe. I'm guessing JC is a 4 year starter for the Irish, and I'm glad to have 'em.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Yeah there is a ton of speculation in this discussion...but I'm guessing this is the place to do it???

JC goes nowhere if he doesn't face a test. They've faced some nice teams, but losing to Sparty and Tarheel ...knowing he had some level of contribution to both loses...he's got work to do.

Talent gets you on the board, winning all the games you should, most of the games that are questionable, and multiple games you shouldn't...that gets you drafted.

So looking over the schedule through '09, not seeing a ton of opportunities...true tests...for him to secure a top pick, assuming he performs.

no accounting for Bowl appearances/performances...so if they win a bowl game in '08 and run the table in '09 (and the passing numbers stay up)...maybe. I'm guessing JC is a 4 year starter for the Irish, and I'm glad to have 'em.

I hope that he stays too. Here's where I disagree with you. Talent gets you on the board, and unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), combines get you drafted. Even for QB's, they'll look at your combine scores many times over the game film you exhibit. Sometimes the scouts can be downright foolish. Why do you think there are so many hits and misses when it comes to QB's?

I'll give you a couple classic examples:

1. Alex Smith of SF. Played the spread offense in college, was a projected mid-round draft pick (and a controversial one at that), but on his pro-day (i.e. personal combine), he wowed the scouts throwing in shorts to receivers who weren't being covered. He did so well, he was drafted #1 overall! Just because of a pro day in which he made great throws and ran a fast 40! Now, he has been screwed by having multiple offensive coordinators over his short career, but he simply hasn't shown he's a 1st round pick.

2. JaMarcus Russell - Couldn't believe he was drafted 1st overall. But that's the Raiders for you. He had two 1st round draft picks to throw to (Brady didn't have one), who were WIDE OPEN all game long. However, everyone 'in the know' knew he couldn't read a defense (or a book? j/k) to save his life. But he also had an amazing Pro-day in shorts and a T-shirt. The scouts said: "He can throw a football 70 yards from his knees!!!" That was my all-time favorite. The next time a QB throws a pass even 20 yards from his knees during a game, I will kiss the Queen of England on every inch of her body. Now look at Russell. He may turn out to be good one day, but every game he plays is beyond painful to watch. He misses guys who are wide open, and doesn't see defenders standing seemingly right in front of his targets. But he does have a rocket arm!!!

Scouting is an inexact science, but I think too many scouts and GM's rely more on combines than on actual game film (That's why Brady dropped so far). There are a lot of QB's who didn't win a ton in college who are very good pro QB's (Denver's Jay Cutler comes to mind). It'll all be moot however if Jimmy and co start winning games on a consistent basis!

 

[phgreek]

NDinLA...point taken on the "Scouts"...but...both the guys you listed met my criteria too...I saw Alex Smith on a regular basis...the guy Won all of his games...for the most part so did Russel. I've seen some pretty highly touted guys who didn't meet my criteria...didn't even get a sniff to leave early...one of them is Jimmy's coach today