Championship

[irishgo8]

Who is 1&2 for u.... mine are USC and Auburn

 

[nayers]

no...i think the BCS did it right for 1&2...Oklahoma will win by 10

 

[seIRISH]

no...i think the BCS did it right for 1&2...Oklahoma will win by 10

I hope OK wins by a hundred.I may have to move if SC wins another one.Any good places in south bend.I am filling out my holy cross application right now

 

[irishgo8]

Ok will win a squaker about 105 to 103

 

[Vince Young]

On the field, USC, Oklahoma and Auburn are almost indistinguishable.

Looking at the scores, it's much the same way.

So for me, it comes down to strength of schedule.

The Big 12 is always tough, and Oklahoma looked impressive going undefeated against that schedule. The Pac 10 is weak, but USC won respect points from me by scheduling Virginia Tech as an out-of-conference game to make up for it.

The SEC is easily as tough as the Big 12, and Auburn is to be commended for that. But they scheduled not one, but TWO games against Division 1-AA schools as their out-of-conference games. That is inexcusable, and winning those games 77-3 does not impress me at all. In fact, if you beat a 1-AA'er by anything less than 77-3, that's as good as a loss in my book.

Similar consideration goes to Utah and Boise State. Impressive in their own right, but you can't ignore their weak schedules.

For all the talk about the "awful" BCS, nobody seems to want to admit that it actually worked this year. The top 2 teams in the country are clearly Oklahoma and USC, and they'll play for the title.

What more could you ask for?

 

[irishgo8]

I think a one-game playoff system would be a HUGE step forward (Auburn vs. Ou) 03 (LSU vs USC)

 

[onedomer]

I hope OK wins by a hundred.I may have to move if SC wins another one.Any good places in south bend.I am filling out my holy cross application right now

Understand your concern since you live in the heart of Trojanland but I have to pull for the men of Troy tonight for only one reason: Oklahoma has 7 AP National Championships, USC has 4 and ND has 8. If OU wins tonight they will tie us for most NCs in the AP. This would be a tragedy. We have already lost the highest winning % to UM this year we cannot afford to lose our NC advantage as well!

 

[irishgo8]

Oh boy...GO TROJANS and hurry it up with some NCs Weis

 

[brucejcarr]

Did anyone see the game last night? Auburn beat VT all over the field and it's a shame they have no shot at the NC. College football needs a playoff system. 6 Teams, #1 and #2 in the country have a bye the first week. 3 vs. 6 @ Capital One Bowl, 4 vs. 5 @ Rose Bowl (week before Christmas weekend), #1 vs lowest seed left @ Fiesta Bowl, #2 vs seed left @ Sugar Bowl (Christmas weekend) and the Fiesta Winner vs. Sugar Winner @ Orange Bowl for NC (New Years Weekend). All bowls will alternate for equal exposure.

 

[irishgo8]

well...I dont think a full playoff is necessary - look at Stoops comment (although a playoff may hurt them lol). One game is enough this year OU vs Auburn. last year LSU vs USC so on....

 

[BigIrish]

well...I dont think a full playoff is necessary - look at Stoops comment (although a playoff may hurt them lol). One game is enough this year OU vs Auburn. last year LSU vs USC so on....

One game is enough? Don't think so...that doesn't make it any more fair than it is now. Let's face it, there's no reason we can run an 8 team playoff. That's three postseason games to win a national championship, for a total of 14 or 15 games in the season. Cripes, Oklahoma will play 13 games this season. And with the NCAA considering expanding the season to 12 games, there's clearly a willingness to play more games.

All the talk about a tourney being too long of a season, infringing on academics, etc. is BS. Just eliminate the 5-6 week dead period (when school is out for the most part) between the regular season and the bowl games, and we could declare a tourney-based national champ before Christmas.

The only, and I mean ONLY thing preventing a tournament in college football is big money more worried about protecting their profits than declaring a true champ.

 

[irishtexan]

you hit it right on the head. heck, alot of college sports go into 20 plus games a year, and i have always heard people say that more injuries occur in basketball than any other sport, and they play all those games and a tournament. think of how freakin exciting that would be to have a tournament. that would be awesome. the ncaa needs to try and make the game for fans again, not for gaylord hotels or continental tires, or any other crappy company just wanting to front money for a bowl so they can get 3 hours of uniterrupted commercial time.

 

[irishgo8]

Well all i hope is the Bowl System isnt gotten rid of too much tradition...but i think a 8 gamer would extend the season too long...maybe we should start our season earlier....

 

[brucejcarr]

Top 6 teams in the avg of all the polls.

 

[BigIrish]

Top 6 teams in the avg of all the polls.

i could live with less than 8, although i think if we could ever get to that stage, it would wind up evolving it into a larger playoff anyway. once the bowl people could admit to themselves how easy (and lucrative) it was to administer a 4-6 team mini-playoff, they'd want to expand it by a few teams.

 

[brucejcarr]

Very good point. It is all about the money......See Ohio State

 

[seIRISH]

I am sure I am in the minroity here but I think a playoff would ruin the game.I think the bcs needs to be fixed by going back to stregth of schedule.Their is nothing better then having to go undefeated or one loss to win it all.I don't want it to become like the pros where some two or three loss team wins it all.I think the poll add to the excitement.They are flawed and needed to maybe be handed to the people that watch the game rather then coaches shilling for their own team or conferance.You have to remember if you want sixteen games watch the pro's. This just in Pete Carroll has decided to rest all of his starters for the playoffs. Com on now!!!!!!!!!!!! If you play a tough schedule you deserve to get to the big game.Somtimes the right choice is not always the most popular. How did I do Lyght?

 

[Rip Rap]

I am sure I am in the minroity here but I think a playoff would ruin the game.I think the bcs needs to be fixed by going back to stregth of schedule.Their is nothing better then having to go undefeated or one loss to win it all.I don't want it to become like the pros where some two or three loss team wins it all.I think the poll add to the excitement.They are flawed and needed to maybe be handed to the people that watch the game rather then coaches shilling for their own team or conferance.You have to remember if you want sixteen games watch the pro's. This just in Pete Carroll has decided to rest all of his starters for the playoffs. Com on now!!!!!!!!!!!! If you play a tough schedule you deserve to get to the big game.Somtimes the right choice is not always the most popular. How did I do Lyght?

Everything was fine before the BCS was created. We've had as many split titles since then and-well-that doesn't bother me. If anything, I would rather they just declare co-champions every year. Same with the games themselves-tying was fine. Two great teams play each other and it comes to a tie? Fine.

But playoffs will ruin the game. IAA playoffs expanded to more and more teams as schools bitched about missing out. Now the playoffs consume IAA and are exploitive of the players who...and here comes the novel concept...should be STUDENTS with exams and such.

College football is NOT the minor league. And the Rose Bowl should be Pac10/Big10, and the Cotton Bowl should be some school from Texas vs. Notre Dame. Good traditions are always good. Let the polls decide like they always have.

 

[seIRISH]

Everything was fine before the BCS was created. We've had as many split titles since then and-well-that doesn't bother me. If anything, I would rather they just declare co-champions every year. Same with the games themselves-tying was fine. Two great teams play each other and it comes to a tie? Fine.

But playoffs will ruin the game. IAA playoffs expanded to more and more teams as schools bitched about missing out. Now the playoffs consume IAA and are exploitive of the players who...and here comes the novel concept...should be STUDENTS with exams and such.

College football is NOT the minor league. And the Rose Bowl should be Pac10/Big10, and the Cotton Bowl should be some school from Texas vs. Notre Dame. Good traditions are always good. Let the polls decide like they always have.

Rip,do you agree some of it has to come from stregth of schedule.You would be getting some of these good games thoughout the year instead of just at the end.We would not have to wonder if Utah was the real deal because we would have seen it thoughout the year.The reason I have always respected ND is because they have always played a tough schedule.

 

[irishgo8]

Everything was fine before the BCS was created. We've had as many split titles since then and-well-that doesn't bother me. If anything, I would rather they just declare co-champions every year. Same with the games themselves-tying was fine. Two great teams play each other and it comes to a tie? Fine.

But playoffs will ruin the game. IAA playoffs expanded to more and more teams as schools bitched about missing out. Now the playoffs consume IAA and are exploitive of the players who...and here comes the novel concept...should be STUDENTS with exams and such.

College football is NOT the minor league. And the Rose Bowl should be Pac10/Big10, and the Cotton Bowl should be some school from Texas vs. Notre Dame. Good traditions are always good. Let the polls decide like they always have.

Righto...but how about this year...4 champs??????

 

[irishtexan]

college wont have to play 16 games like the pros, come on now. they can do it just like they have it now, and the teams with the best conference records advance. and so what if they go to the playoffs with losing 3 or 4 games, if they did awesome in their conference then they deserve a shot. if there was a playoff system and nd didnt get to go because they lost 3 games then i bet all hell would break loose. i would like to see the ncaa try it for a year so we fans can compare the two and then choose what we like best, but that will never happen. there are high schools here in texas that play 11 games in a season and then go to the playoffs, and then play 4 or sometimes 5 more games, and they finish before christmas, so i think it could be done.

 

[seIRISH]

college wont have to play 16 games like the pros, come on now. they can do it just like they have it now, and the teams with the best conference records advance. and so what if they go to the playoffs with losing 3 or 4 games, if they did awesome in their conference then they deserve a shot. if there was a playoff system and nd didnt get to go because they lost 3 games then i bet all hell would break loose. i would like to see the ncaa try it for a year so we fans can compare the two and then choose what we like best, but that will never happen. there are high schools here in texas that play 11 games in a season and then go to the playoffs, and then play 4 or sometimes 5 more games, and they finish before christmas, so i think it could be done.

Yeah but then how do you rank the conference.Does everyone get a bid from each one.The pac holds more weight then the mac.then what do you do if you have two good teams in one conference.If a mac team wins it with three losses all hell will break lose. also the automatic bids are what caused the problems this year.SEE UTAH

 

[Rip Rap]

I suppose a BCS type system after the bowls are played could be interesting, but that would be it: One official National Championship with the title awarded by the NCAA instead of the polls.

The polls could be part of the formula, but I think the BCS is a money-making scheme hyped by your pal and mine: ESPN. Golly, they even administer the Coaches' Poll and broadcast the bowl games.

 

[BigIrish]

Yeah but then how do you rank the conference.Does everyone get a bid from each one.The pac holds more weight then the mac.then what do you do if you have two good teams in one conference.If a mac team wins it with three losses all hell will break lose. also the automatic bids are what caused the problems this year.SEE UTAH

Then don't use automatic bids. Use human polls (I'll never want a computer to tell me whether or not the Irish deserve a bowl) to vote to the top 6, 8, 10 or whatever, and then seed them by committee.

College football isn't a minor league? Come on, let's be realistic - you can't polish a turd. College sports in general are farm systems for professional athletics. And there's no turning back the clock - it is what it is. And I just can't accept the notion that a tourney would taint the sport. Seriously - dirty programs, miserable graduation rates, letting blue-chips get away with murder on campus (before they leave school early when their stock is projected high enough in the draft) - that doesn't taint the game, yet somehow, adding a tourney that puts the top teams in the country head to head...that's the tipping point? that's what ruins it?

 

[seIRISH]

I am not saying the BCS is perfect.I even tend to lean towords the old way.But the problem is the people.You are still going to have people decide the seeding.At least with the BCS their is a formula.I think stregth of schedule and a formula everyone can figure out is the way to go.The real problem to this program is the preseason poll.You have teams that are ranked based on last year and have to be leaped froged by other teams when nothing has been proven on the field yet.I know the bcs comes out in october but it still takes it's major stat from average poll ranking.

 

[NDLyght37]

I have been in favor of a 16-team tournament for about the last 5 years.

First, make it mandatory that every conference has a championship game. Then you take the 11 conference champs and throw in 5 "at-large" teams. This may sound like a lot of games...but it's actually fewer bowls than we have now. Right now I think ESPN said there are 27 bowl games. In this playoff system, we'd only have 13 ball games...and we'd have a true National Champion.

 

[BigIrish]

I am not saying the BCS is perfect.I even tend to lean towords the old way.But the problem is the people.You are still going to have people decide the seeding.At least with the BCS their is a formula.I think stregth of schedule and a formula everyone can figure out is the way to go.The real problem to this program is the preseason poll.You have teams that are ranked based on last year and have to be leaped frog by other teams when nothing has been proven on the field yet.I know the bcs comes out in october but it still takes it's major stat from average poll ranking.

That is a good point.

 

[seIRISH]

I have been in favor of a 16-team tournament for about the last 5 years.

First, make it mandatory that every conference has a championship game. Then you take the 11 conference champs and throw in 5 "at-large" teams. This may sound like a lot of games...but it's actually fewer bowls than we have now. Right now I think ESPN said there are 27 bowl games. In this playoff syatem, we'd only have 13 ball games...and we'd have a true National Champion.

No then we would have a SuperBowl Champion. I think now you have a group of teams that deserve a shot and that somthing could be done to see those teams play.Maybe a plus one.But I think a playoff opens it up more to teams that do not deserve to be there.

 

[irishtexan]

you bring up some good points, but lyght has a good idea. i just think with a playoff system, we could really see who was the best team, and play it on the field.

 

[NDLyght37]

No then we would have a SuperBowl Champion. I think now you have a group of teams that deserve a shot and that somthing could be done to see those teams play.Maybe a plus one.But I think a playoff opens it up more to teams that do not deserve to be there.

True, there would be a few "garbage" teams in there...but you could also seed the conferences so that the WAC Champ doesn't pull as much weight as the ACC Champ, and so on.

But I also think that it would open things up to be decided on the field. I'm not saying that Utah could beat an Auburn or a USC...but just like in March Madness, anything can happen in a "one & done" situation.