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An Open Letter to Bob Kuechenberg

Bob,

You gigantic twit, you went and ruined a good thing. For years now Notre Dame Football fans have relished calling Boston College “Fredo.” But that’s all over now. And you’ve caused that. Because when rational people are presented with the option of calling one thing or another by a name, they must use the most fitting name for the most fitting thing. I’m explaining what rational people do, Bob, because I’m not sure you are rational yourself. And so now, while “Fredo,” fit so well with that ne’er-do-well, Boston College, you’ve forced us to rip that name-tag from BC’s chest and smack it down upon your forehead. You are such an embarrassment, Bob. Don’t you have some drinking to do or something? How have you found so much time to flap your mouth to the media, repeating, at best, rumor and innuendo about the program and Charlie Weis while there’s so much drinking to be done?

And how can you go around talking trash about Weis’ ability to coach if you can’t remember how well Weis did over his first two years out of a total of three years? You were there, Bob! You had season tickets in 2005! Do you even remember what you had for breakfast, Bob? What sort of fan can’t remember that much?

You speak of honor and what it means to be a “Notre Dame Man,” with the same apparent level of understanding that a Michigan football player speaks of algebra.

Do us all a favor, Bob. Forget Notre Dame, because we’re about ready forget about you. The clock’s coming up on 14:59, Bob, and then you can get back to wondering why everyone else on your Dolphins offensive line is in the Hall without you. Hell, I’m a Notre Dame Football addict, and I’d never heard of you until you started to run your mouth. Way to go Bob, you’ve entered the national consciousness on the same level as the cast of The View. Never step foot upon campus again, Bob. And if you can’t help yourself, just know that every time you look upon the Golden Dome, Mary’s back is turned to you. You took sides against the family, Fredo. That was unwise. You could have addressed all of these concerns and kept them in the family, but you just couldn’t help yourself, could you, Fredo?

Good bye, Fredo.
 
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Kuechenberg probably deserves to be in the Hall of Fame over some of his Dolphins teammates but he's always been such a jer that noone has wanted to vote for him. He's just bitter about his situation with Hall of Fame voting occurring soon and with the Patriots on their way to a potential perfect season.
 
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Hey guys...a little insight on the matter. I know Kuenchenburg...and he's far from being bitter and an idiot. He's a smart, level headed guy. When all of us down here were drinking the "Saban Coolaid" just last year, Kuech spoke out loud about what a douche Saban was...and that he "ought to be impeached". Oh, the South Florida Dolphin fans were aghast! Well...six short weeks later, Saban was (and is) Enemy Number One (Osama bin Saban). So, looks like Kuech was incredibly right on that one. Now, in the midst of a season just as embarrassing as our 0-10 Dolphins, Notre Dame fans are sticking up for their arrogant, clueless coach...and want to insult one of the all time great Notre Dame players and alumni. Nice!

I'll admit that I was put off last year when Kuenchenburg came out against Saban. But, he was sage then...and now he has the balls to speak the truth again. Let's meet at this site again next year...and see what all of you have to say about Coach Weis....and compare notes!
 

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Well when countless other former Irish players who have actually met Charlie Weis said Kuenchenberg is dead wrong, I tend to believe the 99 vs the 1.

If I was right, I also wouldn't need to go to the press in an attempt to make a name for myself.
 

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Comparing CW with Nick Saban is way off base for a number of reasons.

Most of your arguments against Nick Saban are his class, or lack thereof, the fact that he bolted from two jobs even though he said he wasn't going to.

CW cares about where he is coaching and its apparent he wants to stay. Saban doesn't care about anything but a paycheck, and SEC schools care nothing about integrity and academics.. Saban lied when he was at LSU and left for the Dolphins, then lied about staying with the Dolphins and left for Alabama. This week he compares losses to Miss State and Louisiana Monroe to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. Did anyone really expect him to be a class act?

What can you say about schools and coaches who graduate less than 40% of their players.

There are numerous examples of Weis using his position at ND to better fans and care for his players.
 
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Hey guys...a little insight on the matter. I know Kuenchenburg...

Do me a favor? Tell him I said he's a douchebag, and that he should STFU, until he actually meets the man. Maybe he and Mercury Morris can share a bottle of Ripple together?
 
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Hey guys...a little insight on the matter. I know Kuenchenburg...and he's far from being bitter and an idiot. He's a smart, level headed guy. When all of us down here were drinking the "Saban Coolaid That's Kool-Aid." just last year, Kuech spoke out loud about what a douche Saban was...and that he "ought to be impeached". Oh, the South Florida Dolphin fans were aghast! Well...six short weeks later, Saban was (and is) Enemy Number One (Osama bin Saban Good comparison, really clever. Kinda like a Louisiana Monroe loss equals 9/11.). So, looks like Kuech was incredibly right on that one. Not to be an ass, but everyone except the Dolphin/Bama fans have known that for a while. Now, in the midst of a season just as embarrassing as our 0-10 Dolphins, Notre Dame fans are sticking up for their arrogant, clueless coach...and want to insult one of the all time great Notre Dame players and alumni. And he's making personal attacks at the Notre Dame headcoach, without having met him. Nice! Nice!

I'll admit that I was put off last year when Kuenchenburg came out against Saban. But, he was sage Are you kidding? then...and now he has the balls/idiocy to speak the truth again. Let's meet at this site again next year...and see what all of you have to say about Coach Weis....and compare notes! Not a bad idea. In fact, I might hold you to it. :)

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OK...Here's my theory on the whole Kooch ordeal. Personally, I think he is telling the truth about the contract. I am more apt to believe that a desparate ND caved to an offer from the Saints rather than believe that ND rewarded a coach with the largest contract in school history for going 5-2 and to stifle rumors. Do schools really make multimillion dollar decision based off of rumor an inuendo? I tend to think they don't.

I don't know Kooch. Many think he is scum. I think this also adds to the story line. I love a good conspiracy. I think someone at ND leaked this info to Kooch, knowing that he was a loud mouth, but also not the most credible source. This let's Weis know that the pressure is on. If Weis fails to perform next year, look for more credible grads like Montana to be brought into the fold with some timely information about the contract extension.

Yeah, this theory is out there. But it makes just as much sense as any other.
 

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OK...Here's my theory on the whole Kooch ordeal. Personally, I think he is telling the truth about the contract. I am more apt to believe that a desparate ND caved to an offer from the Saints rather than believe that ND rewarded a coach with the largest contract in school history for going 5-2 and to stifle rumors. Do schools really make multimillion dollar decision based off of rumor an inuendo? I tend to think they don't.

I don't know Kooch. Many think he is scum. I think this also adds to the story line. I love a good conspiracy. I think someone at ND leaked this info to Kooch, knowing that he was a loud mouth, but also not the most credible source. This let's Weis know that the pressure is on. If Weis fails to perform next year, look for more credible grads like Montana to be brought into the fold with some timely information about the contract extension.

Yeah, this theory is out there. But it makes just as much sense as any other.

You might have a point. He could be the one taking the hit for others.
 

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I don't see how it matters if Deuchenberg is right about the Saints offer. So they extended his contract to avoid going through the stress and strain of another coaching change. What's so bad about that?
 
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I don't see how it matters if Deuchenberg is right about the Saints offer. So they extended his contract to avoid going through the stress and strain of another coaching change. What's so bad about that?

There is a little something called ethics and integrity that matter to some people. If Weis had a deal from ND, why use an offer from the Saints to leverage a better deal? Does your signature mean nothing? A deal is a deal and his signature is his promise, right? Is it all about the money? Would you really do that to your alma mater whom you supposedly love? If his heart was in the job and not in the NFL, he wouldn't have even entertained the Saints offer yet alone use it to hold his alma mater hostage.

If Kooch is telling the truth, Weis suddenly becomes Jersey scum rather than the savior of ND football.
 

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There is a little something called ethics and integrity that matter to some people. If Weis had a deal from ND, why use an offer from the Saints to leverage a better deal? Does your signature mean nothing? A deal is a deal and his signature is his promise, right? Is it all about the money? Would you really do that to your alma mater whom you supposedly love? If his heart was in the job and not in the NFL, he wouldn't have even entertained the Saints offer yet alone use it to hold his alma mater hostage.

If Kooch is telling the truth, Weis suddenly becomes Jersey scum rather than the savior of ND football.

I don't see it. If Weis had a better offer from the Saints than he had from ND, then it's entirely understandable that he'd think about taking it - why would you take less money and a (relatively) short-term deal to stay in the NCAA instead of going to the NFL? What's wrong with trying to get the best deal for himself and his family?
 

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Weis doesn't seem the type to leverage a deal (side note: I don't think anyone would appreciate being called 'jersey scum'). Even if you believe that he did leverage a deal, it doesn't make him some bad person. Find me a coach in college with a high profile job that wouldn't do the same with an NFL offer. I'm betting the poodle has beefed up his contract, and he sucked in the NFL. There is a famous quote - Everything is worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it.

It's reasonable that because another offer was out there ND took the opportunity to lock up Weis for a while. Because White makes inexplicable decisions, he decided to lock in Weis for the next decade based on some short-term results.
 

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Guys,

I don't know if CW used an NO offer to get an extended contract or not...I DO believe that if ND hadn't offered or CW hadn't accepted the extension, top recruits might not be headed here in as large of numbers as they are...

if every year there are rumors that a coach might leave for the NFL, he will still get some of the top guys who will gamble that the guy will be there for long enough for them, but others will rabbit elsewhere for a more stable situation...the same is true if there are rumors of firings...

both the school and CW had to show the players that this wasn't going to be another 3 years and out coach

(and I know I shouldn't justify soflo, but God help me, I will respond...1) as an MSU fan I already knew Saban was a *&^%, he started to turn MUS around and then just bolted...2) really?!?!!! Kuech was the ONLY ONE saying that saban was gonna go? Criminelly dude! the national media knew it and made fun of his press conferences for a long time before the announcement...that make Kuech about as psychic as me predicting Devon Hester will have two returns for TDs in the game versus the Bears (yesterday)...)
 

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It's reasonable that because another offer was out there ND took the opportunity to lock up Weis for a while. Because White makes inexplicable decisions, he decided to lock in Weis for the next decade based on some short-term results.

I don't see how it's "inexplicable". ND had just gone through all the turmoil of a coaching change, and the guy was recruiting extremely well and had his team playing at a near-NC level. Would it have made ANY sense to have let him bolt? It's not as if the money is really going to make a long-term difference given ND's financial situation ...
 

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Guys,

I don't know if CW used an NO offer to get an extended contract or not...I DO believe that if ND hadn't offered or CW hadn't accepted the extension, top recruits might not be headed here in as large of numbers as they are...

if every year there are rumors that a coach might leave for the NFL, he will still get some of the top guys who will gamble that the guy will be there for long enough for them, but others will rabbit elsewhere for a more stable situation...the same is true if there are rumors of firings...

both the school and CW had to show the players that this wasn't going to be another 3 years and out coach

Good point about the affect on recruiting. We've seen this year how it causes some recruits to waiver when they are unsure about a coach's status. (not ours, other schools)
 

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Good point about the affect on recruiting. We've seen this year how it causes some recruits to waiver when they are unsure about a coach's status. (not ours, other schools)

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I don't see it. If Weis had a better offer from the Saints than he had from ND, then it's entirely understandable that he'd think about taking it - why would you take less money and a (relatively) short-term deal to stay in the NCAA instead of going to the NFL? What's wrong with trying to get the best deal for himself and his family?

Why would Weis interview with the Saints if he loved his job and was happy? He was already a millionaire with a 6 year contract. Very rarely do people that are perfectly happy with their job go interview. It makes me question his loyalty and his heart. Maybe his heart really is in the NFL.

Can you imagine Bobby Bowden ever even consider leaving FSU for the NFL? How about Joe Paterno? Those guys love their jobs and the Universittes they work for. You would think that Weis would love his alma mater too and not be out interviewing for other jobs.

I certainly couldn't milk my alma mater. I'd honor my contractual working relationship with my alma mater if I had one. Maybe that's just me. maybe it's all about rhe money nowadays.
 

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Why would Weis interview with the Saints if he loved his job and was happy? He was already a millionaire with a 6 year contract. Very rarely do people that are perfectly happy with their job go interview. It makes me question his loyalty and his heart. Maybe his heart really is in the NFL.

Can you imagine Bobby Bowden ever even consider leaving FSU for the NFL? How about Joe Paterno? Those guys love their jobs and the Universittes they work for. You would think that Weis would love his alma mater too and not be out interviewing for other jobs.

I certainly couldn't milk my alma mater. I'd honor my contractual working relationship with my alma mater if I had one. Maybe that's just me. maybe it's all about rhe money nowadays.

Bowden and Paterno are a hundred years old. If the NFL had come knocking a few decades ago, I bet they would've listened.

The thing is, Weis DID "honor his contract". If these rumors are true, then I imagine the Saints probably called him - or his agent, or whatever - and perhaps made a ballpark offer. (I strongly doubt he "interviewed" in any meaningful sense.) He'd been in the NFL for a long time before coming to ND and so it was naturally tempting, but he wanted to stay at his alma mater and so he let them know what was going on to see how they'd react. They extended his contract and gave him some more money. What's so criminal about that?
 
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I wanted to put it in a little more clear context. Pretend you are Charlie Wes. You've been passed over NFL jobs for years. Your alma mater comes calling. They give you a 7 figure salary and a six figure deal. Thsi pretty much secures your financial future. You ink the deal and tell everyone that you want to be at ND and want to return your alma mater to glory.

Enter the Saints. They offer much more money, but after you already made a commitment to your alma mater. If you are Weis you can:

1. Tell the Saints thanks but no thanks. ND made a commitment to me when nobody else would and I made one to them.

2. You can take the money and send your alma mater packing or

3. You can have it all. You can use the Saints deal to secure an even better deal from your alma mater, knowing that they are desparate and will probably give you whatever you want.

You don't find one of these decision more honorable than the other? You don't find one of these decisions to be selfish?
 
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Bowden and Paterno are a hundred years old. If the NFL had come knocking a few decades ago, I bet they would've listened.

The thing is, Weis DID "honor his contract". If these rumors are true, then I imagine the Saints probably called him - or his agent, or whatever - and perhaps made a ballpark offer. (I strongly doubt he "interviewed" in any meaningful sense.) He'd been in the NFL for a long time before coming to ND and so it was naturally tempting, but he wanted to stay at his alma mater and so he let them know what was going on to see how they'd react. They extended his contract and gave him some more money. What's so criminal about that?

The NFL did come calling for Paterno years ago and he turned them down.
 

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I keep saying to myself: "I'm smart, sophisticated and can do more than just make coffee. I can move up the corporate ladder without having to sleep with someone. They didn't just hire me for my short skirts." But I do feel motiviated today.
 

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I wanted to put it in a little more clear context. Pretend you are Charlie Wes. You've been passed over NFL jobs for years. Your alma mater comes calling. They give you a 7 figure salary and a six figure deal. Thsi pretty much secures your financial future. You ink the deal and tell everyone that you want to be at ND and want to return your alma mater to glory.

Enter the Saints. They offer much more money, but after you already made a commitment to your alma mater. If you are Weis you can:

1. Tell the Saints thanks but no thanks. ND made a commitment to me when nobody else would and I made one to them.

2. You can take the money and send your alma mater packing or

3. You can have it all. You can use the Saints deal to secure an even better deal from your alma mater, knowing that they are desparate and will probably give you whatever you want.

You don't find one of these decision more honorable than the other? You don't find one of these decisions to be selfish?

Sure, I guess that (1) would be more "honorable" than (3). But that doesn't mean he's a jerk for asking for more money, even if that was "selfish" in some sense (but who isn't?).

IMO, opting out of a CFB contract to go to the NFL would have been entirely understandable, since it's in no way a lateral move. But hey - he stayed. He was richly rewarded for it, but he stayed. He took a job that very few people wanted, and parlayed his early successes into a big, fat contract extension. What's the big deal???
 
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