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goldenlid

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I'm with you GoIrish 41. Tell the line to just push the guy in front of you and give the backs room. How hard is it to teach a guy who has been doing this for years to knock the guy in front of you down, and if no one is there just knock somebody down. Good things happen when the oline put bodies on the floor(defenders not teammates).
 

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Put the five biggest, meanest, hungriest guys on the team on the line and tell them to push they guy across from them into the bleachers.

I think that is the point in the training camp all over again. To forget about who's in there now but find out who are the biggest, meanest, hungriest, guys that will play with the most heart and try and win.
 

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I think that is the point in the training camp all over again. To forget about who's in there now but find out who are the biggest, meanest, hungriest, guys that will play with the most heart and try and win.

My point is, don't come out with some song and dance about what you are going to do. We've been hearing that for two weeks. Just do it.
 

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Every spot on this team should be up for battle...Anyone who thinks the defense is fine, must have not watch the first 3 games..no one can tackle or get a push..no one is physical..how many running yeards have we given up in the first half of ballgames?...Square 1 and go from there
 

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Every spot on this team should be up for battle...Anyone who thinks the defense is fine, must have not watch the first 3 games..no one can tackle or get a push..no one is physical..how many running yeards have we given up in the first half of ballgames?...Square 1 and go from there

Every spot should be up for grabs every week. That's how it was on every team I played on from Pop Warner through college. It pushes people to get better.
 
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goldenlid

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Shark step up big time he was a practice player. Quinn was a four star and turned into a stud under CW. ND not having anyone to step up that is one of many problems. We have Jrs on the oline and nothing.
 
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Flash Gordon

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Correction, I think we had 1 junior start on Saturday on the O-Line. As a matter of fact we have very few Jrs, Seniors or 5th years on the O-Line thanks to good ol' Ty. The underclassmen we have may be good players but there is a big difference between what they saw last year in high school and what they are seeing every week right now.

I agree with the idea of simplifing the blocking schemes and telling these guys to go put someone on their backsides. JC and the rest of the "skilled" freshmen that we have may be very good but they may not live long enough to show it!
 
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goldenlid

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Turk, and Duncan are the Jrs and Sully and Carlson are the Srs four guys that have been here for three years still nothing. And there are some other programs with olines that are just as young they are just blocking better so you don't here about them.
 
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I think that the OLine jobs are up for grabs. I think the D is fairly well settled...

Let's be honest, they would not give up 38 if the damn offense stayed on the field for more than 3 plays.

I agree
 

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I'd agree with that. Tate ran his heart out on those kick returns sat.

He is gonna break out soon...man, he hits that hole hard and keeps chugging.

I just hope he protects the ball a bit better. I noticed a couple times he was holding it with 1 arm while being wrapped up by 3 guys.
 
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I think the C needs to be ripped off Travis Thomas ASAP. That needs to be the first move. After that, fire the O-line and put in everyone with "blood on their jersey" after practice. Screw this not hitting anyone. If you dont have pride in your work, you dont need to be on our field.
 

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Put Tate in. let loose, let clausen go bombs away to tate. I don't care if clausen throws 8 interceptions a game, it can't be worse than this.

I'm a little tired of seeing Armando running into the back of blockers. AA needs to hit the holes.
 
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goldenlid

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If no one knew this GT oline were all 2 stars coming out of HS. I'm saying this to give everyone hope, ND oline are closer to 4 star players and the runningbacks two 4* and one 5*star rating so with just a little run 1st mindset ND will be in a good spot to finish better than they started.
 

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Via BGS (key points in bold):
Page One | by Jay

If the team improves this year, this is how it's going to happen. (Link goes to UND.com.)


CHARLIE: In training camp there wasn't one day where in every play in practice we took them to the ground, or one day where we tackled them on EVERY play. So today was the first day of the entire year that every play was 'take 'em to the ground.' This lets the lines on both sides work on some kind of mentality, and focus on run and pass blocking, and tackling. If you look at our games, run and pass blocking, and tackling, are our biggest downfalls.

We won't work anything on Michigan State on Tuesday. We'll come back again and go full pads, starters on starters, because until we fix US, the opponent is irrelevant.

The phrase in coaching is you need 'something to hang your hat on.' I think offensively if you try to X and O, and scheme a whole bunch of different things, and nothing good happens, then there's no comfort zone for the players. There's no set of plays that when you go to the line of scrimmage, you can say something good's going to happen here. So that's what we have to create.

When you talk about a training camp mentality, it's fewer things, but doing them more often, until you get good at them. And you don't do anything else until you get good at them.
The lack of hitting and tackling in camp is relevatory. Something is screwy with the Irish; while Notre Dame is hardly unique among teams having to break in a novice offensive line this year, they are the only team in football with net negative rushing yards on the season. If you were asking yourself, "why can't these guys block," well, here's part of your answer. Like Coffey pointed out, NFL vets don't generally practice full-go all the time. But that's why they're "vets"; they've been through college, they've honed their fundamentals, and they already know how to block and tackle.

Charlie's dropped down a playing level now, and with a young team, relentless drilling and repetition is the only way to build that core of toughness and reliability. The last two years he had the luxury of a largely veteran squad that had been through the fire, and he could take a more professional, and cerebral approach. Plays that required a high degree of technique, timing, and execution? Draws, screens, five wides, no huddle? Change the gameplan week to week? No problem. We had Quinn, Walker, Stovall, Fasano and a vet line. But this is the first year he's breaking in brand new starters across the board, and he's finding out -- 3 games too late -- that he's got to modulate his approach. The college game is above all a developmental league, where each year you say goodbye to your veterans, and welcome a new crop of youngsters to be cultivated. Raw talent must be fired and tempered on a yearly basis; this is the cyclic nature of college football.

Physical practices are a Catch-22, of course. With the precariously thin depth on this team, I can understand why Charlie didn't want to risk any needless camp injuries. But by not repping and hitting and knocking each other around, you risk not being prepared for the full speed of the game. You've been taking it easy in practice, mentally prepping and going through your gameplan, and you might have everything covered on paper, but that first snap of the ball -- that first punch in the mouth -- is a rude awakening. It's like we've been doing laps in a closed parking lot for weeks, and suddenly we get dropped onto the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. And oh, by the way, there are now other cars out there trying to knock us off the track.

All of this reminded me of something Corwin Brown talks about, a concept he calls "Page One." He spoke about it at the coaching clinic back in April.

The defensive scheme, no matter what it is (and there are many ways to skin a cat, as Brown put it), all starts with "Page 1", a concept borrowed from Bob Sutton of the Jets and also used heavily by Belichick. Page 1 is the foundation of your defense. You may start there, and go forward, but you have to start there. And you can always fall back on page 1 if all else fails. When Corwin started practice at ND they put in 1 front, and 2 coverages. Practiced strictly that for the first three days. "That's page 1. We can always go back to that. And we can get the job done with that."
Right now, there's not much else you can do, except go back and build the base. This team doesn't even have a Page One right now. But Charlie and Corwin and the rest of the guys can start writing one this week.

Hitting, blocking, tackling. Football starts there.
Good stuff ...
 
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jimnightshade

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great idea going back to camp make them work back to fundamentals blocking tackling mostly blocking im going to the game on sat i hope to see something good happen.
 
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