At what point will Weis be accountable

[Fighting_Irish9]

for losses and blowout losses?

his 4th year...5th year...6th?????

 

[marv81s]

I think Weis already is. Maybe we cut him a break, but he doesn't cut himself any slack.

I've never heard him blame the players for any of his losses, he has always held himself accountable and isn't that all that maters? I think the press rakes him pretty good when they have lost this year. I think you will see more and more people on this board hold him accountable after the '07 season.

 

[NDChatt]

for losses and blowout losses?

his 4th year...5th year...6th?????

Weis should be held responsible in his 4 year. By then it should be his recruiting classes taking the field and not previous coaches classes.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

for losses and blowout losses?

his 4th year...5th year...6th?????

I was waiting for this. LOLAY. Please re-post all of the retunring talent we have coming back please.

To answer your question, we should give him till his fifth year before we think of firing him for numerous reasons. but the tally of bad decisions and mistakes should have been kept from the beginning. (THe fake punt in the first series had jumped to the top for me. Hiring minter and keeping him is second.)

CW will never exceed the blowout losses that Ty did by the way. These are also withthe majority of Tys players on the field so dont get your hopes up.

"Some things never change, and then some things do."

 

[leppycole]

It is not Charlies fault that Ty's last recruiting class has fallen apart.

How many actually will start from that class?

 

[NDChatt]

I was waiting for this. LOLAY. Please re-post all of the retunring talent we have coming back please.

To answer your question, we should give him till his fifth year before we think of firing him for numerous reasons. but the tally of bad decisions and mistakes should have been kept from the beginning. (THe fake punt in the first series had jumped to the top for me. Hiring minter and keeping him is second.)

CW will never exceed the blowout losses that Ty did by the way. These are also withthe majority of Tys players on the field so dont get your hopes up.

"Some things never change, and then some things do."

This is just a personal prefrence but I like an agressive coach. They got the look they wanted from LSU and he said if you don't try it on your first chance then you should not try it at all. Just my prefrence.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

It is not Charlies fault that Ty's last recruiting class has fallen apart.

How many actually will start from that class?

I see maybe 3. Because that is all that is left. The other 8 left.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

This is just a personal prefrence but I like an agressive coach. They got the look they wanted from LSU and he said if you don't try it on your first chance then you should not try it at all. Just my prefrence.

i hear ya i just thought we were in a bad spot, plus TT was not big enough to run through a line of 6'6" 300 lb LSU players with Zibby blocking for him. If they were going to go for it, put the o on the field.

 

[Get Nasty]

Charlie

Charlie

Charlie is responsible today. Now, his job will not be in jeopardy until his 5th year if he loses more and more big games by large margins. It will be actually his 5th year where his first true class is seniors. He is getting great recruits, so there is definite hope.

I honestly strongly believe we will be better at seasons end next year then this year!!!

 

[NDChatt]

i hear ya i just thought we were in a bad spot, plus TT was not big enough to run through a line of 6'6" 300 lb LSU players with Zibby blocking for him. If they were going to go for it, put the o on the field.

I agree with you. I feel we would have had a better chance if our O had went for it instead of our special teams.

 

[irish4life99]

What, FI9 starting a CW flame post or a Ty baiting post? I'M SO SHOCKED!!!

The Day Weis says, "Last I checked a 6-5 season was a winning season". If I ever hear Weis say that I'll shave my head till he's fired!

 

[Satans Little Helper]

What, FI9 starting a CW flame post or a Ty baiting post? I'M SO SHOCKED!!!

The Day Weis says, "Last I checked a 6-5 season was a winning season". If I ever hear Weis say that I'll shave my head till he's fired!

I know i fell for for it. hook line and sinker...

 

[ND Lifer]

He's responsible and accountable from Day 1. I believe the honeymoon is over for Charlie. The defense has cost him games he may have won. If he continues to keep Minter on, it will be an anvil around Charlie's neck. We'll soon see if Charlie is as hard nosed as he's supposed to be. If he steps up to the plate and fires Minter, we'll know and so will the players and other assistant coaches. The next thing he needs to address is the special teams coaching and either fix it or get someone who can.

Charlie's the HC and the "buck stops there". He's accountable for everything that happens with the football program. To date, I think he's done a very good job with what he's had to work with. Now his recruits are coming in and maturing. Charlie's a definite upgrade from what we've had since the Holtz era ended, but how good he will really be is still the unanswered question. The next three years will tell the tale!

 

[BLUETHUNDER]

Charlie is accountable after next year when he gets his boys in there

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

to start with i'm not too sure what notre dame saw on the fake punt,but what i saw was several of lsu's defenders looking straight at thomas,they weren't fooled from the get go.I like the aggresiveness too and thought it was a good call,but still lsu was ready for it.

weis needs to start being held accountable next year.Like everyone says,they've seen other coaches and assistants do it with less talent,then weis should not loose more then 3 games next year with the talent he has and by the end of the year win a bowl game.
that maybe unrealistic and next years schedule i feel will be a lot more diffciult then this years based on the talent level of teams notre dame plays next year,but still weis can't just blame himself and explain why without being asked "what are going to do about it" and then postive results coming out of it.
Call me crazy,but I'm not too much in the "rebiulding year" aspect of it and using next years senior class as an excuse for him(don't get me wrong,the senior class isn't anything to write home about,but still...)
Weis just needs to learn that this isn't the nfl,where all the players are good,but this is college football and the talent level can be worlds apart between teams and adjust for it.

Hate me for this post if you want,but the one key factor to all of this is the offense may have had no depth,but when you start the game you are just as fresh as anyone and they still didn't produce in the first quarter like they should have and that's what I'm basing a lot of my opinion on...that's a coaching problem

 

[TexasDomer]

I'm perfectly willing to hold Weis accountable NOW for the best two year run we've had since the high water mark of Lou's tenure.

Next year will be tough, but I think 2008 will be the watershed "are we making progress" year.

 

[marv81s]

To hold Weis accountable for anything next year is absurb to say the least. You take a look at the juniors we have next year (or lack of) and the senior class too, whether you want to use the term rebuilding year or not, that is what '07 is, if you don't like rebuilding, then you can use transitional, that is more fitting since it will be somewhat of a beginning of Weis's players from Ty's.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

i've seen less do a lot more,but i guess it's different since it's notre dame and weis.i won't take up for anyone in a 7-5 season their 3rd year and then blame it on some other coach.

 

[solo]

for losses and blowout losses?

his 4th year...5th year...6th?????

What do you mean by accountable?

Accountable as in when we complain about these losses we point the finger at him, not Ty, not Minter, not the talent, but squarely at him?

At some level, he is accountable right now. He is the head coach. He comes up with the strategy and game plans. He makes adjustments at halftime. He chose the staff. He has 2 recruiting classes under his belt and freshman can play in many cases. So at some level, he is accountable right now.

But he inherited a lot of the problems we are seeing now. Many of the issues we see now are a result of the previous coaching regime

So as far as me wanting to see him fired...I would say that if we are losing like this in his
4th season, there's a big problem. Next year is the last year of his honeymoon in my book.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

I see maybe 3. Because that is all that is left. The other 8 left.

The number 8 is funny in this statement. We bring in more than double last year.

 

[NDOM]

Weis should be held responsible in his 4 year. By then it should be his recruiting classes taking the field and not previous coaches classes.

YES DUDE! perfect. He should be held accontable after his fourth season as he will no longer have ANY willingham players. They will all be his, and once that happens and we continue to go 10-3 or 11-2 and get blown out and not win a bowl then Charlie needs to go. This is Notre Dame people not Michigan. Michigan is still holding on to Lloyd Carr and he cant beat Tressel or win a bowl game either and if that continues to happen with Charlie then he will be fired. Notre Dame doesnt fuck around with this kind of bullshit for long.

 

[KMac151993]

I think he has to be....not to the point of "he should be let go" but we haven't been competitive vs. the good/great teams for a long long time (minus the '05 USC game), we beat up "cupcakes" and at times struggled against these schools. Ty left this program at the absolute bottom and I will allow time for Weis to bring in better players but at some point he has to take responsability for the lack of discipline and poor tackling 13 games into a season.....and cover 2 defense.

 

[mirertobrooks]

Holtz was 5-6 and 8-4 his first two years, his teams had some blowouts, Miami, Penn St. and Texas A&M got them real good in '86-'87. So you gotta cut the guy some slack. However Holtz also won a NC his third year. Holtz teams played with fire and emotion, they always seemed fired up for a big game. I don't know if Weis is the motivator that Holtz was. Winners take accountablity immediately, losers make excuses.

 

[mirertobrooks]

I'm not in any way saying I don't like CW or want him fired or anything. I just don't see how anything has changed since Ty left other then recruiting. Blowouts in big games and I think there is alot of truth to the things Davie was saying. The team took a big step back this year.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

well,i'm not saying weis should be fired next year if they lose more then 3 games or anything,maybe the seat starts to warm up,but there better be some very positive gameplanning going on.the offense better step it up since he is an offensive guru too.
Fire minter or whatever,but then if he gets an average D-coordinator,some will be screaming to give that guy a chance and let everyone get used to his system and just take a chance of wasting a few more years on the defense.

point is,if notre dame doesn't do anything next year,then they will not have a good shot at getting to the top in '08.At lot of cards will be stacked against them and the home opener against san diego state sure isn't going to move them up in the polls much.Then it's michigan in a must win game.A loss there is going to put them way behind the eight ball.

'07 is a very crucial key into the '08 season and 8-5 jsut won't cut it,9-4 will be pushing it.

 

[Vince Young]

I just don't see how anything has changed since Ty left other then recruiting.

Well, for one thing, we don't lose to Pitt, Purdue and Syracuse anymore... the only game Charlie has lost that he "should've" won was Michigan State in '05, and Michigan State recently has been a teamed stocked with mad talent but led by a psychotic delusional lunatic for a head coach; their talent could beat anybody, but their coaching could lose to anybody.

Also, Ty went 9-3 his first year and was ecstatic.

Charlie went 9-3 his first year and hung a banner in the Gug declaring "9-3 isn't good enough."

If that doesn't show you a STRIKING difference between Charlie and Ty, I don't know what will.

 

[ACamp1900]

for losses and blowout losses?

his 4th year...5th year...6th?????

maybe we do what you argue against all the time and fire him before his fifth year????

 

[marv81s]

I just don't see how anything has changed since Ty left other then recruiting.

Um, isn't that where it starts? Get better and more talented recruits, and you even out the playing field to those elite teams we have gotten blown out by this year, and eventually you compete with them well enough to actually win those games.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm not in any way saying I don't like CW or want him fired or anything. I just don't see how anything has changed since Ty left other then recruiting. Blowouts in big games and I think there is alot of truth to the things Davie was saying. The team took a big step back this year.

look much?

 

[noel fighting irish hall]

Hey, we all agree that the fake punt was a bonehead call. If it had worked, we'd be calling Charlie a genius. He took a chance, hopefully, he learned from his mistake. How soon we forget the years under Ty and Davie. Charlie gives us hope. He is recruitung his ASS off to bring in talented players. Davie and Ty left the cupboard bare. Their recruiting efforts were lousy. Ty was especially poor in his effort to bring the best to Notre Dame. I have confidence that Charlie will bring us back to glory. He loves Notre Dame more than any of us.He feels the pain of this loss more than any of us. Pray that he stays healthy. He gave up a lot to come to Notre Dame. You think 10 and 3 is bad. Think of what you'd be complaining about if Ty had stayed with us. Ty didn't care about Notre Dame. Weis has his HEART in the right place. Ease up on him. Be a supporter. He cares too much to let this slide continue. LET US HAVE SOME POSITIVE VIBES DESCEND UPON NOTRE DAME OUR MOTHER. GO IRISH KICK USC'S ASS IN 2007.