'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

[du Lac]

Yeah, cause a parent and uncle stearing a kid to take money are going to tuck that entire bag into a mutal fund to gain interest. They definitely don't want a piece of it and also have a very sound understanding of the tax implications and obligations to the parties purchasing his NIL rights.

A million in the bank spent on parties, food, watches, cologne, and vacations can be spent in several months. Floyd Mayweather can spend it in 10 minutes.

The people saying a ND degree isn’t worth more than a quick bag likely are the same folks that would rob a rich man’s house and take everything but the books in the guys home library. You get wealthy though investing and saving and having a steady steam of cash flow. Not spending.

I understand that a million is a lot to most people but when you get it it’s easy to burn it.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Hope he doesn’t Avery Davis himself.

Do everything that’s asked of him by the staff and be named a Notre Dame captain?

Asshole comment, man.

 

[NDPhilly]

du lac needs a time out until kick off against OSU

 

[GATTACA!]

I doubt they're gonna invest that NIL. Most people probably pay off their home, buy a couple cars, and blow the rest of frivolous things.

If they're this reckless how are you ever supposed to sway them with a 4 for 40 pitch? It's hopeless.

 

[benneboy]

Even at 45k a year more it equats to 22 years of work to get to a theoretical 1 mil more than an Alabama degree. Math doesn't favor the ND degree at all in these NIL scenarios.

He invests 500k and puts it into shitty American Funds at 10% return for 20 years and that worth 5 Million.

500k walking around money til he gets to the NFL. Hmm 4 for 40 doesn't look that great all of the sudden

Myself and several others have stated that's not how the math plays out on this board several times. Even objectively your math is off.

But ignore that, read this article and then come back and tell me how the Keeley's and Moore's are investing all of this money into a fund in which their kids are the sole beneficiary and he'll be pulling that money out here in 2042.

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These kids are not in a better position to handle a chunk of money handed to them than young NFLers. They are at a drastically bigger disadvantage. It's going to be a train wreck in a few years.

 

[arahop]

You're assuming they are struggling with bills. I'm doing basic math at why the ND degree isn't as valuable as the up front money end of discussion. Now will they come out academically more well rounded? And a network of people that reaches far and wide, no doubt about it. But the 4 for 40 is a ridiculous argument and another piss poor argument of net worth for a top 10 player in the current NIL world. Don't want to see 4 the 4 for 40 spiel. Yes for 3 stars and 4 stars. Keon Keeley will be in the NFL if he doesn't get hurt. And the added wins that players like him and Moore, is even more for the University as a whole. It's a win win for both parties. The value of the ND degree doesn't hold up here at all for elite top 10 players

 

[du Lac]

Do everything that’s asked of him by the staff and be named a Notre Dame captain?

Asshole comment, man.

You are missing the point. I’m saying hopefully he doesn’t end up like Avery Davis bc he won’t have a ND degree like Avery Davis to save his ass. What the fuck are you reading into?

 

[du Lac]

You're assuming they are struggling with bills. I'm doing basic math at why the ND degree isn't as valuable as the up front money end of discussion. Now will they come out academically more well rounded? And a network of people that reaches far and wide, no doubt about it. But the 4 for 40 is a ridiculous argument and another piss poor argument of net worth for a top 10 player in the current NIL world. Don't want to see 4 the 4 for 40 spiel. Yes for 3 stars and 4 stars. Keon Keeley will be in the NFL if he doesn't get hurt. And the added wins that players like him and Moore, is even more for the University as a whole. It's a win win for both parties. The value of the ND degree doesn't hold up here at all for elite top 10 players

If you spend the million in a year on bullshit then no, it’s not. I know a guy that made a quick mill+ playing for the Bengals. He now lives in a trailer park. He was too ignorant to spend it on investments and instead bought cars, watches, and partied. He also had lots of “friends” that are no longer his friends. Last I heard he had a lingering sports injury that worsened after he hurt his back at his construction job and is now on disability in his trailer. Fine life he made for himself.

 

[arahop]

Myself and several others have stated that's not how the math plays out on this board several times. Even objectively your math is off.

But ignore that, read this article and then come back and tell me how the Keeley's and Moore's are investing all of this money into a fund in which their kids are the sole beneficiary and he'll be pulling that money out here in 2042.

Redirect Notice

These kids are not in a better position to handle a chunk of money handed to them than young NFLers. They are at a drastically bigger disadvantage. It's going to be a train wreck in a few years.

Ok redo the math, and tell me what it comes out to? I did simple math in my head And just because he doesn't go to ND he won't get an advisor? Maybe his uncle is an advisor and did the math of NIL money compared to the 4 for 40 and saw a no brainer

 

[du Lac]

du lac needs a time out until kick off against OSU

Again, missed the point. If he gets injured like Davis, he has no ND degree.

 

[Dale]

You are missing the point. I’m saying hopefully he doesn’t end up like Avery Davis bc he won’t have a ND degree like Avery Davis to save his ass. What the fuck are you reading into?

I don’t think you’re gonna sell anyone it was an innocent statement with no intended malice

 

[benneboy]

Ok redo the math, and tell me what it comes out to? I did simple math in my head And just because he doesn't go to ND he won't get an advisor? Maybe his uncle is an advisor and did the math of NIL money compared to the 4 for 40 and saw a no brainer

For one, 37% of that is going to the fed. Prob another 3-5 to the state of Alabama. Now he's investing 300 and has 300 to live on for the next 20 years.

Also these NIL collectives usually own 100% of your ass like Nico I. So any money you would have made over the next four is now gone.

 

[du Lac]

I don’t think you’re gonna sell anyone it was an innocent statement with no intended malice

I have previous posts the day he was injured saying at least he has the ND degree to fall back on. So I have precedent.

 

[INLaw]

Don’t gotta respect decision, don’t gotta wish him well, don’t got hope you have a great career( in fact I feel pretty comfortable just hoping he eats a dick

 

[NDMatt91]

Off topic, but anyone know why we never got any momentum with Nyckoles Harbor?

 

[arahop]

Have we lost our damn minds LOL

Man Dale I'm glad you know his family and know what he is going to do with the money. I don't know what the hell he's going to do either. the Fact is the 4 for 40 doesn't hold water in the case of the elite athlete ranked #1 at his position. I'm not speaking out of my fandom or slight association to ND of why he should come to ND. From a financial standpoint walking away from that money would be the worst financial decision of the young man's life. NIL should be a strength at ND and everyone knows it. Let's make excuses and toe the line

 

[INLaw]

Wonder if they have hopes of staying in it/getting him back on campus/lining up some bag, whereas with Dante the ship had clearly sailed and also they had Carr, so less concerned about alienating him.
Or they're signaling to the administration that we need to get into the game with upfront NIL or we're going to keep losing our best recruits when some uncle enters the picture.

I vote none of the above

 

[INLaw]

Basically, this was not Keon’s decision, it was those around him. Matt Freeman believes that if it were up to Keon he’d be at ND.

If true, it’s just shocking that these parents are just grabbing dollars at the expense of their kids happiness. Especially from a family that was committed to ND for a little over 1 year.

And maybe this is the extreme and only example where massive public shaming of his family and those around him is entirely appropriate.

 

[INLaw]

Will Anderson will be a top 5 pick and Dallas turner will be a first rounder.

Bird in the hand is more valuable. Give me a million plus collecting interest over an eventual ND degree any day. And again there’s nothing that precludes ND from doing both. If an ND is so valuable that plus a comparable NIL deal should win easily.

Sounds like he’ll be lucky if he gets anything other than a new car and some southern clap out of this by the time the family gets done ringing him clean. Just hope they leave him enough to pay the taxes. I have heard tell that there might be a few more audits then there used to be in the foreseeable future

 

[GATTACA!]

Myself and several others have stated that's not how the math plays out on this board several times. Even objectively your math is off.

But ignore that, read this article and then come back and tell me how the Keeley's and Moore's are investing all of this money into a fund in which their kids are the sole beneficiary and he'll be pulling that money out here in 2042.

Redirect Notice

These kids are not in a better position to handle a chunk of money handed to them than young NFLers. They are at a drastically bigger disadvantage. It's going to be a train wreck in a few years.

ND is the one making this a choice between the 4 for 40 pitch and a guaranteed up front sum. There's zero reason ND can't do both. Give the 5 star kids the money they deserve and protect their futures with their 40 year commitment that's worth more than gold (apparently).

 

[INLaw]

Keon and Dante have worthless parents and family. Go ahead and negative rep me all you want. They are pimping their kids talent for their gain and only their gain. I can’t imagine having or being a parents that selfish.

And used our name brand to just up their street value

 

[Dale]

Man Dale I'm glad you know his family and know what he is going to do with the money.

I don’t understand why you continually point this out when I’ve had a rebuttal to your statements. Yes I don’t know for a fact what they’ll do with potential funds. Neither do you. Glad we got that disclaimer out of the way yet again lol.

I don’t think they’ll be putting it in American Funds Large Cap. Apparently you do.

 

[arahop]

For one, 37% of that is going to the fed. Prob another 3-5 to the state of Alabama. Now he's investing 300 and has 300 to live on for the next 20 years.

Also these NIL collectives usually own 100% of your ass like Nico I. So any money you would have made over the next four is now gone.

Ok so 2.5 mil. I'm sorry it didn't say net. Gross is assumed when talking money. Taxes don't skew the example.

 

[GATTACA!]

Sounds like he’ll be lucky if he gets anything other than a new car and some southern clap out of this by the time the family gets done ringing him clean. Just hope they leave him enough to pay the taxes. I have heard tell that there might be a few more audits then there used to be in the foreseeable future

Major jilted gf vibes.

 

[INLaw]

Driskell staying 20x’s a show that we are shopping down a different isle. BK PTSD. The people that said we should hire Fickell because ND cannot recruit better than BK regardless of whom is hired are not far off. Freeman can increase it a slight bit. However, nobody even knows if he can coach.

He definitely can improve it, but I don’t like the signs that has kinda gotten playrdy a few times the cycle

 

[benneboy]

ND is the one making this a choice between the 4 for 40 pitch and a guaranteed up front sum. There's zero reason ND can't do both. Give the 5 star kids the money they deserve and protect their futures with their 40 year commitment that's worth more than gold (apparently).

In their eyes there is. Actually not even in their eyes. Its in the rules. It's not permitted for the university to guarantee up front sums of money

Whether they should or not is a whole different question but that's their stance.

There should be a way for ND to do this that doesn't cost them their 'moral high ground'. If you're morally loose enough to cash a 60 million dollar check from NBC on the backs of these kids, you should be able to find room to be able to pay them to show up and keep those checks coming to you.

 

[arahop]

I don’t understand why you continually point this out when I’ve had a rebuttal to your statements. Yes I don’t know for a fact what they’ll do with potential funds. Neither do you. Glad we that out of the way yet again lol.

I don’t think they’ll be putting it in American Funds Large Cap. Apparently you do.

That's what I said my man. Revert to the original discussion of why 4for40 doesn't come close to a projected/theoretical 1 mil dollars. I put the 4for40 to rest in the proposed scenario of recieving the theoretical 1 Mil is greater and backed it up with literally 30 second of simple math.
This was all speaking in terms of what is better financially for future wealth in the case of projected NIL payout vs 4for40. Nothing more to discuss

 

[du Lac]

Watch him be a bust. This will be a fun thread to dig up in 4 years.

 

[INLaw]

Off topic, but anyone know why we never got any momentum with Nyckoles Harbor?

I have been told repeatedly (in this thread) because funds are low. Realistically I think it is because he is a world-class track athlete and we are just nowhere on par with other schools in that department

 

[GATTACA!]

In their eyes there is. Actually not even in their eyes. Its in the rules. It's not permitted for the university to guarantee up front sums of money