2023 Watch Party: WEEK FOURTEEN

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Yeah, OT win vs Clemson who outplayed them in all stats, 2 point win over BC, and those are with their stud QB... Everyone has ugly wins. They're awful on offense now, it's Iowa 2.0.
The problem with the “eye test” is where does it end. If Bama had lost last week because the wide receiver came down out of bounds on 4th and 31, would you still put them in over FSU? If not, why? It’s only one play out of a couple thousand. Surely that one play wouldn’t change Bama’s overall “eye test”.
 

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The problem with the “eye test” is where does it end. If Bama had lost last week because the wide receiver came down out of bounds on 4th and 31, would you still put them in over FSU? If not, why? It’s only one play out of a couple thousand. Surely that one play wouldn’t change Bama’s overall “eye test”.
But they did win, just like FSU lucked out against BC (a would be worse loss than at Auburn). They just beat Georgia and lead the whole game, they're going to be in whether I like it or not.
 

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But they did win, just like FSU lucked out against BC (a would be worse loss than at Auburn). They just beat Georgia and lead the whole game, they're going to be in whether I like it or not.
That’s not the question. If they didn’t and everything played out exactly the same, would you put a 11-2 Bama in over a 13-0 FSU? Would 1 play out of 2000 change your “eye test” of Bama.
 

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That’s not the question. If they didn’t and everything played out exactly the same, would you put a 11-2 Bama in over a 13-0 FSU? Would 1 play out of 2000 change your “eye test” of Bama.
No I wouldn't put an 11-2 team in over an undefeated 13-0. I would put a 12-1 over 13-0. Losses matter but they're not all that matters, and 2 losses is too much to compare, but 1 can happen to anyone and schedules are not apples to apples.

But Bama did beat Auburn and then turned around and beat the #1. It doesn't matter what I think but Bama should be in and I expect them to. Man did Louisville really screw everyone.
 

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No I wouldn't put an 11-2 team in over an undefeated 13-0. I would put a 12-1 over 13-0. Losses matter but they're not all that matters.

But Bama did beat Auburn and then turned around and beat the #1.
Ok. One more. Do you think that 11-2 Bama team would beat FSU? Or would that one play have swung who the actual better team was?
 

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Ok. One more. Do you think that 11-2 Bama team would beat FSU? Or would that one play have swung who the actual better team was?
As is? Absolutely. FSU would score 9 points. It's a balance of "most deserving" and "best", it's not one or the other we just try to force one definition. Too many losses DQ you because deserving does matter. But so does being awesome and everyone knowing it.
 

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Some of these takes are so ridiculous it isn't the NFL it isn't who is hot right now it's the culmination of an entire season. The sec is down this year that's a fact everyone saw it when they played out of conference. Bama lost to Texas and it wasn't particularly close and is bama that much better now than then or has it been just much weaker competition they are playing.
 

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People obsess over "undefeated" too much IMO. The difference between 12-1 and 13-0 is so small, there's always swing games that go either way.

Bama is in, they just beat a #1 ranked team that hasn't lost since Trump was in office. It's just a matter of if the committee then feels the need to put Texas in as well. FSU shouldn't be in, winning a crap conference with the worst QB outside of Iowa isn't playoff worthy.
The games played have to matter, otherwise why play the season. In your mindset basically record doesnt matter because you are going off of the hypothetical of who your opinion tells is a better team.

If that was reality and human beings could just tell from their opinion who the better teams are from some made up “eye test”, Sports Books would need to find another gig.

Why not just out 2 loss Oregon in too because they would probably beat FSU and they were the favorite agains the team they lost to two nights ago.

Without records and on the field results being the biggest part of the equation, what are we even doing.
 

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The games played have to matter, otherwise why play the season. In your mindset basically record doesnt matter because you are going off of the hypothetical of who your opinion tells is a better team.

If that was reality and human beings could just tell from their opinion who the better teams are from some made up “eye test”, Sports Books would need to find another gig.

Why not just out 2 loss Oregon in too because they would probably beat FSU and they were the favorite agains the team they lost to two nights ago.

Without records and on the field results being the biggest part of the equation, what are we even doing.
They do matter. Thats why beating the #1 matters more than 1 other additional win IMO.

Already addressed your "well why not Oregon" point in last post (balance between best and deserving)
 

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As is? Absolutely. FSU would score 9 points. It's a balance of "most deserving" and "best", it's not one or the other we just try to force one definition. Too many losses DQ you because deserving does matter. But so does being awesome and everyone knowing it.
And that’s a more balanced opinion than most. I personally disagree and think FSU should get in as I place more value on “deserving” than “eye test”. It’s hard to go undefeated in college football. They won a Power 5 conference championship and scheduled and beat two SEC blue bloods out of conference. They have an elite defense and if they had been winning these games with an elite offense and mediocre defense, they would be looked at differently. They should have the opportunity to coach up their 2nd string QB the next month and vie for a championship.
 

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FSU had more yards with their third string freshman QB than Michigan had with JJ.

Louisville came in ranked higher than Iowa. FSU played a tougher schedule than Michigan.
 

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They do matter. Thats why beating the #1 matters more than 1 other additional win IMO.

Already addressed your "well why not Oregon" point in last post (balance between best and deserving)
At full strength last week Alabama needed a literal miracle play to beat a 6-6 team that is nowhere near as good as the team FSU beat by two scores and lead the entire game with their 3rd steing QB. How do you determine “best” because Alabama beat Georgia the next week. Its a completely subjective metric with no real merit when debating FSU vs Bama this year.

Bama also needed more than a little help from the officiating yesterday to win that game and without several blown and missed calls they do not win…so how deep do you dig to really determine who is “best”.
 

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I’d rather see them stick it to the SEC than worry about Michigan possibly getting an easier first round due to FSU. I’d also love seeing Michigan lose to a team with its backup QB. It would be unprecedented and a real travesty in my view to leave them out. They’re not Cincy. They’re the F’ing Seminoles. If they could do that shit to FSU, they could do it to ND.
 

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At full strength last week Alabama needed a literal miracle play to beat a 6-6 team that is nowhere near as good as the team FSU beat by two scores and lead the entire game with their 3rd steing QB. How do you determine “best” because Alabama beat Georgia the next week. Its a completely subjective metric with no real merit when debating FSU vs Bama this year.

Bama also needed more than a little help from the officiating yesterday to win that game and without several blown and missed calls they do not win…so how deep do you dig to really determine who is “best”.
And even when they had their star QB FSU needed an unexpected turnover in the final minutes to beat a horrible BC team. Can play "what if" on losses that weren't all day.
 

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And even when they had their star QB FSU needed an unexpected turnover in the final minutes to beat a horrible BC team. Can play "what if" on losses that weren't all day.
Like “what if” Alabama hadn’t actually lost a game this year.

Or “what if” Florida State had instead of being an undefeated P5 conferee champ.
 

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Some are arguing OK should get in bc they beat TX, who blasted Bama, who beat Georgia.

Obviously I disagree, but this is why we need 12 teams.

If the 12 team was played this year my money is on Bama.
 

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I‘ll let the chips fall where they may as it concerns Bama or FSU but Georgia has no business being in IMO. The argument for them being in is that “how could a #1 team drop below #4?” You can’t have subjective rankings all the sudden be objective. They were criticized all season for a weak schedule. The SEC East has never been particularly difficult. UGA & their fans pushed back crying about how know one thinks they can win it all. No, it’s the opposite. How can you NOT win it all when you’ve got a loaded roster playing a tune-up schedule? But the tune-ups evidently didn’t challenge them enough b/c they made just enough mistakes vs Bama to cost them the game. They have no one to blame but themselves.
 

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People obsess over "undefeated in" too much IMO. The difference between 12-1 and 13-0 is so small, there's always swing games that go either way.

Bama is in, they just beat a #1 ranked team that hasn't lost since Trump was in office. It's just a matter of if the committee then feels the need to put Texas in as well. FSU shouldn't be in, winning a crap conference with the worst QB outside of Iowa isn't playoff worthy.

Then why is Michigan in? They played a minor league schedule and had only 2 good games on there.

FSU beat LSU too.
 
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