10-3

[arndtjc]

But Brady Quinn hasn't played since 2006, and Tommy is our best option. Indisputable fact.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Some one help me out here.

Tommy Rees was 4-0 as a starter in 2010.

And is 6-2 as starter in 2011.

10-2 right?

Nope.. His first actual loss was to Golson and Hendrix in the spring game! I keed I keed..

Seriously though.. He holds the offense back but he's winning, most importantly. The fact that he can't scramble for a first down or launch an accurate deep ball and he's 10-2 just goes to show how well our defense has played, how improved our running game is and how this "limited" playbook is still better than Charlie's book of screens.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

We can play with USC.

USC can play with Stanford.

We can play with Stanford.

We can handle Michigan State.

Michigan State can handle Michigan.

We can handle Michigan......

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

We can play with USC.

USC can play with Stanford.

We can play with Stanford.

It would be easy if college football went like that.. but it just doesn't. i.e. Michigan beats ND, ND beats MSU, MSU beats Michigan.. frustration

 

[JoeyGetherall]

It's really been the Tommy Rees show this year. I love it how he makes players like Eifert, Floyd and Goodman into super stars. Definitely wouldn't give any credit to the running game nor are defense...

O wait. NM. Tommy's been ok, the rest of the team (with a few key exceptions, especially on D) is freakishly good, and we've played a pretty soft schedule this year.

Brady Quinn would be 9-0 this season. Indisputable fact.

Idk about freakishly good. Perhaps Floyd and Eifert.

Brady with out a doubt be 9-0. So would Jimmy. Hell if Jimmy stayed last year I think ND makes a BCS game. And who knows what that would of done for Dayne this year. Would have given him another year to learn the system.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

We can handle Michigan State.

Michigan State can handle Michigan.

We can handle Michigan......

Ha, we used the same example. fun

 

[Junkhead]

Idk about freakishly good. Perhaps Floyd and Eifert.

Brady with out a doubt be 9-0. So would Jimmy. Hell if Jimmy stayed last year I think ND makes a BCS game. And who knows what that would of done for Dayne this year. Would have given him another year to learn the system.

Imagine Clausen with a D, and a good OL. We are much better in most phases, but not QB. Rees is adequate, but not much more at this point.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Nope.. His first actual loss was to Golson and Hendrix in the spring game! I keed I keed..

Seriously though.. He holds the offense back but he's winning, most importantly. The fact that he can't scramble for a first down or launch an accurate deep ball and he's 10-2 just goes to show how well our defense has played, how improved our running game is and how this "limited" playbook is still better than Charlie's book of screens.

i lol'd at this. don't forget the draws.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

But Brady Quinn hasn't played since 2006, and Tommy is our best option. Indisputable fact.

Fact? Oh Christ no. Not at all.

 

[pkt77242]

It's really been the Tommy Rees show this year. I love it how he makes players like Eifert, Floyd and Goodman into super stars. Definitely wouldn't give any credit to the running game nor are defense...

O wait. NM. Tommy's been ok, the rest of the team (with a few key exceptions, especially on D) is freakishly good, and we've played a pretty soft schedule this year.

Brady Quinn would be 9-0 this season. Indisputable fact.

Um, Not Sophomore year Brady Quinn, probably Junior and Senior year Brady though.

 

[IrishinSyria]

But Brady Quinn hasn't played since 2006, and Tommy is our best option. Indisputable fact.

Brady Quinn hasn't played football for Notre Dame since 2006. As for Tommy being our best option... well, it seems to be in dispute. So, of your two "facts," I'd say both of them lack that indisputable quality.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Um, Not Sophomore year Brady Quinn, probably Junior and Senior year Brady though.

True...but Soph BQ was coached by a horrible coaching staff that mistaught him. Weis had to remold him.

Remember the Poop-squat BQ did before every snap?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Um, Not Sophomore year Brady Quinn, probably Junior and Senior year Brady though.

Maybe. Tough to say, because Sophmore year Brady Quinn played for a very bad football team against some very good football teams (remember, Michigan and USC were at their recent peak around that time).

That's the point I was trying to make: what gets lost in the Tommy vs anyone else debate is that ND is an excellent football team this year. We have some issues with coverage and speed at the edges on D, but besides that, we are putting one hell of a product on the field. In fact, it's such a good product that being 6-3 at this point has to be considered significantly under achieving. And a lot of that is on Tommy, as well as the other QBs who have failed to step up and seize the job in practice or in games OR on Kelly, if he refuses to give the other QBs a fair shake.

 

[military_irish]

The thought that ND NEEDS a QB to win, is not 100% correct in my mind. I watched an LSU/Bama game and neither had a QB that I was totally "wow'd" by but guess what they are said to be the best two teams in the nation. A team can be good in other aspects.

Yes I understand Rees has turned it over but he also does not play defense. Which let Michigan win the game in the 4th quarter and USC completely dominate for a half.

Is some of his decisions questionable at times? Maybe. But he is by far not the only one to blame for the whole teams faults.

 

[IrishinSyria]

The thought that ND NEEDS a QB to win, is not 100% correct in my mind. I watched an LSU/Bama game and neither had a QB that I was totally "wow'd" by but guess what they are said to be the best two teams in the nation. A team can be good in other aspects.

Yes I understand Rees has turned it over but he also does not play defense. Which let Michigan win the game in the 4th quarter and USC completely dominate for a half.

Is some of his decisions questionable at times? Maybe. But he is by far not the only one to blame for the whole teams faults.

2 things:

1) Those teams might not need a QB, but those teams are not ND. Alabama and LSU are scum of the earth and can recruit a lot more great athletes than ND can. They can bring in players from JUCO, they can use bodies for spring practice and then cut them before the season, they don't have to worry about academics etc etc etc... They also run pro-style offenses. If ND's ever going to compete with that type of school, we WILL need a great QB.

2) LSU and Alabama's QBs are both probably better than Rees, they just look worse because of the caliber of defense they were playing against tonight.

 

[GreatGolson]

What in the holy hell are you talking about?

if we are ranked #14 we are bcs eligable. but its a hell of a stretch

 

[military_irish]

2 things:

1) Those teams might not need a QB, but those teams are not ND. Alabama and LSU are scum of the earth and can recruit a lot more great athletes than ND can. They can bring in players from JUCO, they can use bodies for spring practice and then cut them before the season, they don't have to worry about academics etc etc etc... They also run pro-style offenses. If ND's ever going to compete with that type of school, we WILL need a great QB.

2) LSU and Alabama's QBs are both probably better than Rees, they just look worse because of the caliber of defense they were playing against tonight.

First part I totally agree with, the second part I am not so sure. LSU has a great defense and is a far better running team than passing team. I mean they are ranked 98th in passing yards a game. Alabama has Trent Richardson, it could be him against 11 and he would still win. Alabama is 63rd in passing yards a game, just to throw it out there.

ND is 34th.

I know stats don't mean everything, but as a whole the team wins with Tommy. With Crist as starter last year he was 4-4, thats not counting the Tulsa game because he got hurt early. Since then Tommy is 10-2, as is often mentioned.

 

[felkey72]

Lets just take it one game at a time.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I know stats don't mean everything, but as a whole the team wins with Tommy. With Crist as starter last year he was 4-4, thats not counting the Tulsa game because he got hurt early. Since then Tommy is 10-2, as is often mentioned.

Tommy does not play D...he does not lead the D. The reason we won at USC was D...not Tommy...he tried to give away the game. You simply cannot count that as a "Tommy lead the team." He didn't. The D lead the team that day.

10-2 is a gross over-simplification that doesn't mean much since Tommy is not leading us to wins in general. He is a critical part, given his position...but he's not the reason we are 10-2 with him as starter...he's simply not.

 

[military_irish]

Tommy does not play D...he does not lead the D. The reason we won at USC was D...not Tommy...he tried to give away the game. You simply cannot count that as a "Tommy lead the team." He didn't. The D lead the team that day.

10-2 is a gross over-simplification that doesn't mean much since Tommy is not leading us to wins in general. He is a critical part, given his position...but he's not the reason we are 10-2 with him as starter...he's simply not.

He is also not the reason ND loss to Michigan or USC. It goes both ways. I will say I am not a certain QB supporter, I support who starts. So it is what it is.

 

[Buster Bluth]

We can play with USC.

USC can play with Stanford.

We can play with Stanford.

Even though I generally despise the football transitive myth, this is very true.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Please stop turning **** into Rees debates. He's as good as any guy on the roster.

Just pray that Gunner commits and that Hendrix has a wicked spring.

 

[GreatGolson]

^ Or that Golson learns the offense, man we could be stacked next year i the pieces fall in place

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Stacked? Really? Our Oline will have a ton of experience but who exactly are we going to throw the ball to besides Eifert. Losing Floyd will make it that much harder to get the ball into Eifert's hands. Our RB depth is thin as it is. Maybe Atkinson pans out but I still think he is best suited at WR because he runs too upright. Just don't see how the offense is going to be stack.

 

[choo choo]

I hope we don't play a BCS game with Tommy Rees as our QB. He can really stare down a receiver though

and he doesnt have an arm worth a ****...thats our best option so that should tell you that 10-3 is laughable as well as finishing as a top 25 team...

 

[military_irish]

Stacked? Really? Our Oline will have a ton of experience but who exactly are we going to throw the ball to besides Eifert. Losing Floyd will make it that much harder to get the ball into Eifert's hands. Our RB depth is thin as it is. Maybe Atkinson pans out but I still think he is best suited at WR because he runs too upright. Just don't see how the offense is going to be stack.

Not sure exactly who you responded to but I will add a comment. I think this years football team is how the ND basketball team was when Harangody played. They look to get the ball to Floyd alot. Which leads to Rees not looking as hard for the other WR's. Floyd is a beast and deserves that, but I think when he leaves it will FORCE the offense to spread the ball around a lot more.

Floyd will be missed but others will have to step up which will possibly make for a more dynamic offense.

 

[choo choo]

Stanford is beatable

yeah, but not by us...did you see us against the power-house wake forest team...i was embarassed

 

[IrishinSyria]

First part I totally agree with, the second part I am not so sure. LSU has a great defense and is a far better running team than passing team. I mean they are ranked 98th in passing yards a game. Alabama has Trent Richardson, it could be him against 11 and he would still win. Alabama is 63rd in passing yards a game, just to throw it out there.

ND is 34th.

I know stats don't mean everything, but as a whole the team wins with Tommy. With Crist as starter last year he was 4-4, thats not counting the Tulsa game because he got hurt early. Since then Tommy is 10-2, as is often mentioned.

We dramatically changed the playbook after the Tulsa game and adopted a much more balanced attack. And our D learned how to play football, after turning in some terrible performances. Just sayin...

Still, I do want to give credit where credit is due- Tommy is efficient on short throws, which puts us in more manageable positions and lets us use our running game more.

 

[military_irish]

We dramatically changed the playbook after the Tulsa game and adopted a much more balanced attack. And our D learned how to play football, after turning in some terrible performances. Just sayin...

Still, I do want to give credit where credit is due- Tommy is efficient on short throws, which puts us in more manageable positions and lets us use our running game more.

Maybe they should have been playing with that playbook the whole year, rather than just after a QB change. Looks like it worked.

But hey I am one that just likes to see a W. That at the end of the day is really all that matters, no matter who is responsible for it.

 

[t3hjc]

I know stats don't mean everything, but as a whole the team wins with Tommy. With Crist as starter last year he was 4-4, thats not counting the Tulsa game because he got hurt early. Since then Tommy is 10-2, as is often mentioned.

And in one of those two losses we had a three possession lead heading into the 4th quarter, a game in which he also led us down the field to take the lead with under 30 seconds to go.