'09 QB Recruiting Situation

[BDIrish4ever]

On the numerous individual QB recruits threads, I have seen many different opinions on how CW should go about recruiting the position this year. Like it or not, the QB position at ND is one of the major "glamor" spots in college football. Where do you stand on do we need a recruit this year? What style of QB should we be after (pocket passer or dual-threat)?

I have said in other threads that we must have a scholarship QB in every class. I also believe that CW can gamble more at this spot this year with Clausen and Crist already in the program. In my opinion, Charlie should not take a dual-threat QB unless the recruit possesses true passing skills. A dual-threat QB really does not fit Charlie's offense. With that being said, I am advocating another 6'5" 230lb. pro-style passing machine (though they are nice to get). I am saying that CW might consider more of a "project" player who would be willing to learn for a couple of years until they were ready to seriously compete for the starting job.

 

[quiksilver253]

I really don't think that there is anything worth using a scholarship on left in this class. People are obviously intimidated by having 2 5 star QB's in front of them and are afraid to compete against that type of talent.

That being said, I think we save the schollie for next year and with a year of seperation between Dayne and the new QB, then we will be able to effectively recruit the high-caliber prospect.

Oh yeah, we don't and never will be a school for the dual-threat guys. It takes away from the true aspects of the game. I want a pro-style pocket passer.

 

[irishmarine]

we run a pro style offense. we need the pro style qb

 

[Echo Insanity]

I really don't think that there is anything worth using a scholarship on left in this class. People are obviously intimidated by having 2 5 star QB's in front of them and are afraid to compete against that type of talent.

That being said, I think we save the schollie for next year and with a year of seperation between Dayne and the new QB, then we will be able to effectively recruit the high-caliber prospect.

Oh yeah, we don't and never will be a school for the dual-threat guys. It takes away from the true aspects of the game. I want a pro-style pocket passer.

word.

 

[vinnymac2402]

It would be nice for us to get another qb, but it more imporant to get help anlong but lines and some quilty wr. also remeber any kind of qb we get needs protection

 

[notredomer23]

we arent going to take a QB

 

[Echo Insanity]

regardless of the position, players who dont belong with the rest of the talent around them will end up hurting the overall cohesion of the team. this has been, and continues to be a problem in our program.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I really don't think that there is anything worth using a scholarship on left in this class. People are obviously intimidated by having 2 5 star QB's in front of them and are afraid to compete against that type of talent.

That being said, I think we save the schollie for next year and with a year of seperation between Dayne and the new QB, then we will be able to effectively recruit the high-caliber prospect.

Oh yeah, we don't and never will be a school for the dual-threat guys. It takes away from the true aspects of the game. I want a pro-style pocket passer.

Agreed. Good points.

 

[IrishinTN]

I think they took a project type QB as a walk-on, no? Famous last name and all.

 

[SoCalDomer]

I really don't think that there is anything worth using a scholarship on left in this class. People are obviously intimidated by having 2 5 star QB's in front of them and are afraid to compete against that type of talent.

That being said, I think we save the schollie for next year and with a year of seperation between Dayne and the new QB, then we will be able to effectively recruit the high-caliber prospect.

Oh yeah, we don't and never will be a school for the dual-threat guys. It takes away from the true aspects of the game. I want a pro-style pocket passer.

good points, but here's the other side of the coin.

In 2009, Sharpley decides not to come back for a 5th year to focus on baseball or he gets a minor league deal. Clausen goes down with an injury. A few games into the season, Crist goes down with an injury. Who comes in, a walk-on? Kiss that season good-bye.

Not likely to happen you say? It happened in 2007 and we were the recipients of another teams' misfortune when UCLA lost two starters and went to red shirt freshman who had never taken a snap in a live game.

The same could happen in 2010, the difference being that instead of turning to a walk-on, they have to turn to that incoming freshman instead of a 2009 recruit who would be a sophmore with one more year in the system then that 2010 freshman. .

Or what happens if Crist just doesn't pan out? (i'm not putting the kid down, nor am i saying it will happen, just speaking hypothetically). With the only competition two years behind him, there's no realistic alternative, nor is there someone about to take his job to push him.

I bring these different scenarios up not because I think CW has to obtain a QB this year, just that these are the different factors i'm sure they're weighing as they decide what to do.

 

[ndlb41]

pro style qb all the way but i think we pass this year and go after a big time star next year

 

[Echo Insanity]

good points, but here's the other side of the coin.

In 2009, Sharpley decides not to come back for a 5th year to focus on baseball or he gets a minor league deal. Clausen goes down with an injury. A few games into the season, Crist goes down with an injury. Who comes in, a walk-on? Kiss that season good-bye.

Not likely to happen you say? It happened in 2007 and we were the recipients of another teams' misfortune when UCLA lost two starters and went to red shirt freshman who had never taken a snap in a live game.

The same could happen in 2010, the difference being that instead of turning to a walk-on, they have to turn to that incoming freshman instead of a 2009 recruit who would be a sophmore with one more year in the system then that 2010 freshman. .

Or what happens if Crist just doesn't pan out? (i'm not putting the kid down, nor am i saying it will happen, just speaking hypothetically). With the only competition two years behind him, there's no realistic alternative, nor is there someone about to take his job to push him.

I bring these different scenarios up not because I think CW has to obtain a QB this year, just that these are the different factors i'm sure they're weighing as they decide what to do.

Those are exactly the reasons it would be nice to bring in a QB this year. we are just at a point where the caliber of player we would be able to get is not worth a scholarship. i mean i can almost garantee that CW is willing to take a project QB, but there is a limit on how far down the talent pool he is willing to reach.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Right, no one should be brought in to simply fill a spot, at any position.

But this year's QB pool is pretty deep. And whoever they brought in would not even need to be ready to start for at least 2 years (barring injuries up the depth chart of course), and could red shirt.

 

[Mattmags]

I think they took a project type QB as a walk-on, no? Famous last name and all.

That they did. and I predict he wins 4 super bowls after he graduates from Notre Dame

 

[Echo Insanity]

i would also be willing to bet that CW is considering the possibility of cross training a player from a different position, john goodman and dan mccarthy being the first names that come to mind. i even remember hearing that CW had mentioned it to Goodman at one point.

 

[MattDMB72]

Another thing that bringing in a QB this year can help with is the recruiting of other players in this class and in the future. I know we haven't even offered the kid yet but Drew Allen looks to me like a really good player and its seems to me that he'd be interested in coming. I've read that the CW and staff are interested in him, but as of yet nothing has happened. It would be great to pull a guy out of Texas, especially with other offers to Texas players still on the table, and maybe that would help to get them on board as well. I know he's not the 5 star player everyone expects ND to get, but personally I'm sick of watching "can't miss" guys end up doing nothing once they get to school.

 

[NDsuperfan09]

We need to sign Jake Heaps for the 2010 class. He may be better than Clausen and Barkley.

 

[BDIrish4ever]

I can see the points some of you have made regarding not taking a QB this year, but I can't forget what happened in the UCLA game last year. I still think that the most pivotal position in college football is the spot you make sure you have covered with the most talent you can get (at least one a year). Let us not forget the Joe Montana situation. Due to the ineffective play of the starter and an injury to the primary backup, Joe was the last option we had. The rest was history.

 

[goldandblue]

Good point BD.

 

[BDIrish4ever]

Thank you, goldandblue. Don't get me wrong fellas, I am not suggesting we take anyone, but if we can get a kid who is willing to wait and learn, we take him. I could see CW offering a 6'3" 220lb. 2 or 3 star kid whose stats were not great and was in the wrong style of offense for his game. We don't need to sign a QB right now, but if we find a recruit after his senior year made a big talent jump, I say grab him.

 

[quiksilver253]

Honestly, the idea of having 2 QB's going down is really a stretch. I know it can happen, but come on what are the odds.

If that was to happen though, we have Montana, he would have been a ig time recruit had he played football throughout high school however there wasn't enough film on him to warrant a schollie. From the film ive seen from the passing camps etc, he seems like he is D1 material and i would not mind seeing him in a game.

 

[Synoptico]

We need to sign Jake Heaps for the 2010 class. He may be better than Clausen and Barkley.

I agree, If we take a QB this year it seems like it would hurt up for the cream of the crop next year similar to how the QB recruiting process has gone this year. With that being said, the only one left I would take is Allen from TX. Newton seems like a great player, just not for the ND system.

 

[irishmarine]

i do not see the need to take a quaterback this year. montana will be the one who is learning behind the scenes. if something happened and our two qb did go down i wouldnt mind seeing hime out there. he is our 4th qb anyways. so i dont even think we'd see him

 

[SoCalDomer]

irishmarine, the new QB recruit would be for 2009, not 2008. in 2009, most people aren't expecting Evan Sharpley back, so there would only be 2 scholarship QBs on the roster.

There will actually be more than 4 QB's on the roster in 2008. But there will only be 3 on scholarship; the rest are walk-ons.

 

[BDIrish4ever]

Hopefully, we can get Mossakowski to commit to ND and make this whole thread moot!!

 

[IrishGrizz]

I believe we will get someone at QB to commit this year, it just might not come in our timeline. I cannot see the staff passing on everyone. I also cannot believe there is not some QB out their that has the skills and would give their left nut to be a QB on the ND Fighting Irish football team. Even with the knowledge that they would have little chance to play much as long as Clausen and Crist are on the team, the kid would still be the only senior QB in his year group, no matter who they sign next year.

 

[coachjohnson]

I think we will lay off the quarterbacks this year and pickup a great recruit next season.