Recruiting: It is not all about the stars!!!

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Darius Walker was a 3 star... Brady barely got his fourth if I remember...

so i am kind of in agreement with this thread... though if you want to find to best indicator of who the best program's in the country are any given year, then look no further than recruiting rankings for the four years prior... it does matter, a lot.
 

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Boise state proves this year in and year out on 3 star players

The only 3 star I have issues with is Tommy turnover. I don't want to see him ever again lineup behind center unless it is the third or fourth option

Is it 3star talent, or coaching? I lean to coaching.
 

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Darius Walker was a 3 star... Brady barely got his fourth if I remember...

so i am kind of in agreement with this thread... though if you want to find to best indicator of who the best program's in the country are any given year, then look no further than recruiting rankings for the four years prior... it does matter, a lot.

notre dame was #2 in 2008 according to rivals.
 

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I don't care about stars next to a players name but rather if they star on the field.

Cliche, I know.
 

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notre dame was #2 in 2008 according to rivals.
He said for the four previous years, not just one class that was four years prior. According to Rivals:

2008 - 2nd (23 commits, 3 five-star)
2009 - 21st (18 commits, 1 five-star)
2010 - 14th (23 commits, 0 five-star)
2011 - 10th (23 commits, 3 five-star)
2012 - 21st (16 commits, 0 five-star)

Not good enough to get to a BCS bowl, let alone win a national title. Alabama, meanwhile...

2008 - 1st (3 five-star)
2009 - 1st (4 five-star)
2010 - 5th (1 five-star)
2011 - 1st (3 five-star)
2012 - 1st (3 five-star)
 
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He said for the four previous years, not just one class that was four years prior. According to Rivals:

2008 - 2nd (23 commits, 3 five-star)
2009 - 21st (18 commits, 1 five-star)
2010 - 14th (23 commits, 0 five-star)
2011 - 10th (23 commits, 3 five-star)
2012 - 21st (16 commits, 0 five-star)

Not good enough to get to a BCS bowl, let alone win a national title. Alabama, meanwhile...

2008 - 1st (3 five-star)
2009 - 1st (4 five-star)
2010 - 5th (1 five-star)
2011 - 1st (3 five-star)
2012 - 1st (3 five-star)

Eww.. Rivals..
 

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He said for the four previous years, not just one class that was four years prior. According to Rivals:

2008 - 2nd (23 commits, 3 five-star)
2009 - 21st (18 commits, 1 five-star)
2010 - 14th (23 commits, 0 five-star)
2011 - 10th (23 commits, 3 five-star)
2012 - 21st (16 commits, 0 five-star)

Not good enough to get to a BCS bowl, let alone win a national title. Alabama, meanwhile...

2008 - 1st (3 five-star)
2009 - 1st (4 five-star)
2010 - 5th (1 five-star)
2011 - 1st (3 five-star)
2012 - 1st (3 five-star)

Who was 14, 5, 3, 3 and this year 2?

Yep thats Texas. Where have they been the past two years?

You cant expect Notre Dame to be #1. The academics alone stop that. So what are your expectations? The last time Notre Dame was at the top of recruiting was 2008 with the #2 class, and I would like for you to take a look at how many 4 star busts they had.

I believe kelly and company have enough skills to coach these kids up. The previous regime didn't.
 

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Who was 14, 5, 3, 3 and this year 2?

Yep thats Texas. Where have they been the past two years?

You cant expect Notre Dame to be #1. The academics alone stop that. So what are your expectations? The last time Notre Dame was at the top of recruiting was 2008 with the #2 class, and I would like for you to take a look at how many 4 star busts they had.

I believe kelly and company have enough skills to coach these kids up. The previous regime didn't.

Do you really want to use Texas as an example of recruiting not being important? They're the exception that proves the rule- yes, Texas has had a down year or two. But you know what? They'll be good again, and soon. Just like they always are good. Why? Because they always recruit well.

There are way too many factors that go into winning a NC or even making it to a BCS game for it to be possible to point to the rankings of any 4 classes and predicting how a team will do based on their recent recruiting. However, overtime, teams that recruit well will win. Texas, Alabama, Florida, USC, LSU... these are all good examples of that.
 

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Do you really want to use Texas as an example of recruiting not being important? They're the exception that proves the rule- yes, Texas has had a down year or two. But you know what? They'll be good again, and soon. Just like they always are good. Why? Because they always recruit well.

There are way too many factors that go into winning a NC or even making it to a BCS game for it to be possible to point to the rankings of any 4 classes and predicting how a team will do based on their recent recruiting. However, overtime, teams that recruit well will win. Texas, Alabama, Florida, USC, LSU... these are all good examples of that.

Oh! I was unaware that we were speaking in hypotheticals. Who knows if Texas will return to national prominence under Brown. Maybe they'll need a new coach to do this.

And I do agree that there is alot of factors to make a BCS game. The thing is, it has been proved that you do not need an awesome class to make a team great. And there have been many teams that camp in the top 10 every year and do nothing with it.

Like I said before, I have faith that despite where Notre Dame lands in recruiting, Kelly will get the most out of his players.
 

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Great list of 3stars. Thanks for the effort. Now can you let me know how many championships ND has in the last ten years?

Y'all are ****ing unbelievable. Whining about losing recruits and being unhappy with 3* recruits. You asked the right question but for the wrong reason. ND has been irrelevant for roughly 20 years and you bitch about not pulling enough top tier talent. THAT'S why we're "settling" with 3* athletes. When we can get it done and live up to the hype we will start pulling more 5* athletes than you can shake a stick at. Until then just be happy with the fact that we, despite constantly underachieving, are able to bring in top 10 and top 15 recruiting classes to begin with. Our past success does not entitle us to a percentage of 4* and 5* recruits. I agree with some of the people in here that believe it's more about coaching than it is about 5* athletes. If you don't believe that ask FSU how all those stars have panned out for them lately...

BTW... thanks for the list and the optimism, jonesman.
 
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I don't think anybody seriously believes it's either 100% coaching or 100% recruiting... OBVIOUSLY, those are just two factors in what it takes to be a successful football team.

Pretty much any big-conference D1 football team has great athletes on the field and coaches who know the game inside and out. On any given year, basically any team is capable of getting the right combination of players and doing well or, having a few unlucky breaks, and doing poorly. Where coaching and recruiting come in is over time. Over time, teams with better recruits will do better. Over time, teams with better coaches will do better. And, obviously, recruiting is a big component of coaching. The best coaches will get the best guys possible for their system.

So I really don't see why everybody's getting all worked up about this. It's very possible to care about recruiting while at the same time thinking Kelly can develop 3* talent and do well with it. It's not a debate. Both are important. So is chemistry, work ethic, schedule, lifting programs, training table, etc etc etc....

Again, the recent decommits will not kill ND's program, but they're not good either. Kelly has the maximum ability to develop talent when he has a lot of talented kids in his stable. We just lost two talented athletes. That sucks. It would be nice to get a few more studs to close out this class. Fair enough?
 

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Also i understand that each recruit gets a grade but according to 247 sports we have 2 Wrs that are 1 point from being 4 stars. Does that 1 point really mean that much difference???
 

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I agree. Losing a couple studs would suck hard but it wouldn't be the end of the world. BK has proven what he can do with bottom feeder recruiting classes and will get it done here. We are one MAYBE two BCS WINS away from seriously competing for the cream of the crop. I have faith in BK and his coaching staff. Big things are right around the bend...
 
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