ND Standards V. Football Standards

[bert2834]

And why isn't a foreign language a requirement anymore?

We had to take at least 2 years of it just to graduate in Ohio(1999).

 

[Andy in Sactown]

And why isn't a foreign language a requirement anymore?

We had to take at least 2 years of it just to graduate in Ohio(1999).

Elk Grove Unified School District required foreign language when I went through [at the end of the last century]. Panda updated this earlier. Basically he was a Boise State commit and scheduled his classes to early enroll there (no foreign language requirement).

My feeling is his Councillor completely failed him.

He could still choose Notre Dame, but this would mean he'd have to take a foreign language instead of early enrolling.

 

[bert2834]

Elk Grove Unified School District required foreign language when I went through [at the end of the last century]. Panda updated this earlier. Basically he was a Boise State commit and scheduled his classes to early enroll there (no foreign language requirement).

My feeling is his Councillor completely failed him.

He could still choose Notre Dame, but this would mean he'd have to take a foreign language instead of early enrolling.

You missed my point, I needed 2 foreign language credits to graduate HIGH SCHOOL, it didn't matter if I was going to community college afterward.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

No, I got you. Maybe it was not clear without specifying, but foreign language was a graduation requirement. Apparently this is no longer the case.

 

[anarin]

This thread got interesting real fast. Sounds like some of you need a coke and a smile.

 

[IrishLax]

Lmao. Alright, perhaps my "mother dying" analogy was a bit of a stretch, but CLEARLY Rios is wanting to come here, and he has to be bummed when he thinks he may be getting a scholarship when the coaches come to see him workout and then an hour beforehand they call him and say he can not EE which has been his plan the entire time. They also cancel watching his practice which makes it seem like they're giving up on him.

Why didn't they figure out earlier that he didn't have credits necessary to EE when that was his plan all along? I know it may not be a instant process or anything, but there's no way it should have took til one hour before his workout or right before they left to go see him.

If you go back, I wasn't even calling out the coaches. I just thought it was sort of rude and could have been handled better.

I'm just bummed for Rios, I guess.

Because our coaches aren't admissions people. And our admissions people just got his stuff to look at a couple days ago. This situation is quite similar to Byron Marshall who was recruited hard before it became clear he wasn't going to have the coursework to qualify... and our staff had to drop him.

That's two 4 players now in positions of need we have passed on for coursework requirements. Makes you wonder if those "academic standards" people have a point....

 

[irishff1014]

Because our coaches aren't admissions people. And our admissions people just got his stuff to look at a couple days ago. This situation is quite similar to Byron Marshall who was recruited hard before it became clear he wasn't going to have the coursework to qualify... and our staff had to drop him.

That's two 4 players now in positions of need we have passed on for coursework requirements. Makes you wonder if those "academic standards" people have a point....[/QUOTE

I think that the amissions people dropped the ball this time. I can promise you that there is a group of people that work in this office. And they probably have some kinda checks and balence system that just one person doesn't look at this kids so they don't miss anything. I understand that he decommitted from Blue turf land and his intrest has really sparked up in the last month. But if you are recruiting a kid like this why do you wait this long to try and get the paper work to see exactly his academic status?

 

[IrishLax]

It takes someone in the admissions office two days to look at someone's credits though? (Of course that may be the case, you would know better than I since you've gone through and worked with the system.) I'm not trying to blame anyone in particular, but through this process someone didn't do their job as fast as they should have in my opinion.

Then again, had Rios contacted the staff earlier in the recruiting process this whole thing might be figured out. I guess it's like Rios said to PANDFAN, "right place, right time." Everyone unfortunately seems to have been in the right place, but at the wrong time.

I mean I can only speculate but this is time of year where these people are SWAMPED with applications and I don't think they immediately drop what they're working on to review the newest football recruit. I think it is totally reasonable to have people take a week or so to review his file. If these people were on the football staff payroll... I'd expect them to review it the very second it comes in. But they're not.

Also, sometimes these situations are more fluid than we realize. It's not always black-and-white "he's in" or "he's out." Sometimes transcripts are muddled, sometimes schools miss-list sign language as a language (and ND doesn't accept that), sometimes ND is waiting to see improvement in their GPA to a certain level at the end of their first semester (which is happening now-ish).

So yeah... do I like the way this turned out? Hell no. Ticks me off on a lot of levels. But I also can sit back and understand how it happened.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I mean I can only speculate but this is time of year where these people are SWAMPED with applications and I don't think they immediately drop what they're working on to review the newest football recruit. I think it is totally reasonable to have people take a week or so to review his file. If these people were on the football staff payroll... I'd expect them to review it the very second it comes in. But they're not.

Also, sometimes these situations are more fluid than we realize. It's not always black-and-white "he's in" or "he's out." Sometimes transcripts are muddled, sometimes schools miss-list sign language as a language (and ND doesn't accept that), sometimes ND is waiting to see improvement in their GPA to a certain level at the end of their first semester (which is happening now-ish).

So yeah... do I like the way this turned out? Hell no. Ticks me off on a lot of levels. But I also can sit back and understand how it happened.

Fact of the matter is, it doesn't seem that ND can get out of its own way sometimes. It's bad enough that we're inconsistent on the field, but the egg-heads in admissions are locked in a padded room, running into each other with no direction in sight at times. It's bad enough that we have the restrictions that we do in terms of who can/can't be recruited without admissions playing pocket pool during the most important time of year. This type of stuff burns me off.

 

[NDPhilly]

I think if we ever lower our accademic standards it should be that Admissioms allows Kelly to take 2-3 a year that wouldn't normally get in.

 

[irishff1014]

I think the foreign language is ajoke in the first place. Just like 2/3 of the classes you take in high school.

 

[DillonHall]

No offense to any football players, but I bet the general student population would have scored higher on the ACT as 7th graders than these recruits do in their junior year of high school. Nobody should be complaining about admissions.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I think if we ever lower our accademic standards it should be that Admissioms allows Kelly to take 2-3 a year that wouldn't normally get in.

Is this a similar policy adopted during the Holtz era? Or were standards as a whole lower than present day?

Also, BK seems to be looking into a broad spectrum of items than can benefit the program. Has there been any talk that a similar policy will be enstated? Not necessarily lowering standards, but allowing 2-3 kids a pass that otherwise wouldn't have qualified? Just curious.

 

[NDPhilly]

Is this a similar policy adopted during the Holtz era? Or were standards as a whole lower than present day?

Also, BK seems to be looking into a broad spectrum of items than can benefit the program. Has there been any talk that a similar policy will be enstated? Not necessarily lowering standards, but allowing 2-3 kids a pass that otherwise wouldn't have qualified? Just curious.

Not that I know of. I just think if admissions allowed 2-3 elite players it would benefit the program tremendously.

 

[aubeirish]

Let's be honest here. This is the University of Notre Dame, and we have restrictions. As fans, as coaches, everyone knows those restrictions. At the same time, these requirements have SERIOUSLY dropped over the past couple of years. To yell and blame the admissions office I think is immature; I understand the frustrations, and I am just as frustrated. But they have reallllly let a lot slide with this years class, but as well as last years class. Not to point fingers or name names, but look at the guys we got in this past year and try to find their SAT or ACT score. I guarantee, well I guess I cant really guarantee but I strongly believe that those scores for a few of those players would not have gotten them in to ND without serious help from the admissions office, and lowering their standerds.

I agree. You don't have to be all that smart to pass those admissions as far as football goes... I think it's really sad that a lot of kids can't get in. It tells you something about society. I mean a 2.8 at most of these guys high school is a joke. It's not like they are going to Andover Academy...

 

[jimmymac]

They already have given passes.

They do. Look a look at this years class, and take a guess. They already give at least 2-3 passes.

 

[NDPhilly]

They already have given passes.

Who exactly? Davaris Daniels?

 

[Irish2015]

Who exactly? Davaris Daniels?

I don't want to single out names, but the average ACT score is between 32-34. If you go through some recruit's threads where it may be posted you'll see that passes have been given.

 

[DillonHall]

To be honest, every single football player is an 'exception.'

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

To be honest, every single football player is an 'exception.'

Then, let's get rid of football. Be done with it if "they're" bringing down the average. Who's with me?

 

[DillonHall]

Just saying I have no sympathy for some slacker who's good at football but can't get accepted into my alma mater despite the relaxed standards.

 

[jimmymac]

I don't want to single out names, but the average ACT score is between 32-34. If you go through some recruit's threads where it may be posted you'll see that passes have been given.

The excpetions are those recruits whos sat scores arent posted...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Just saying I have no sympathy for some slacker who's good at football but can't get accepted into my alma mater despite the relaxed standards.

I say get rid of it. I'd hate for alums such as yourself be embarrassed by those that represent the Lady On The Dome who obviously aren't up to snuff.

 

[irishff1014]

Just saying I have no sympathy for some slacker who's good at football but can't get accepted into my alma mater despite the relaxed standards.

Some kids just aren't good at taking test. That happens every where. There is a paramedic that works at a local firehouse near me that struggled in class but is the best damn skilled paramedic i have ever seen. Test aren't all they are cracked up to be.

 

[IrishLax]

Posts #304 to this one should be deleted.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

No.... It should be moved to another thread. What's with you and deleting the past few days?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

ND Standards V. Football Standards

Here you go.... the debate from the Rios thread can go here if ya'll so choose.

 

[magogian]

Just saying I have no sympathy for some slacker who's good at football but can't get accepted into my alma mater despite the relaxed standards.

That's some bs. I suspect that many, if not most, of these kids are hard wokers if you tally the time they spend on football and studying. Plus, many of these kids play multiple sports.

 

[DillonHall]

Some kids just aren't good at taking test. That happens every where. There is a paramedic that works at a local firehouse near me that struggled in class but is the best damn skilled paramedic i have ever seen. Test aren't all they are cracked up to be.

I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion regarding standardized tests, but the fact remains that there's no better way to compare students. Notre Dame is choosing students, not professionals; that's the job of employers, not the University.

Besides, I think that the issue in this case is that he didn't take a foreign language class, which is inexplicable if you're a serious student.

 

[DillonHall]

That's some bs. I suspect that many, if not most, of these kids are hard wokers if you tally the time they spend on football and studying. Plus, many of these kids play multiple sports.

Slacker is the wrong word, maybe I should have used 'not smart enough.'