Thought BK went too far yesterday

[gkautz10]

Amazing that this thread has gone 12 pages.

BK lost his ****, it happens. I'm really not sure why this continues to be debated. You have your soft skinned people who think that screaming at player for making a boneheaded play is a terrible thing to do. And you have your tough skinned people that think jumping a players *** after a boneheaded play is justified.

I mean what can be done? He isn't gonna hold a press conference apologizing that he jumped TJ's ***. You think he should be canned for someone that doesn't do that sort of thing? I mean really, this is a non issue.

We should be focused on scUM now. And debate whether or not Theo can catch a ball. Oh and for the internet tough guy remark on the nancy comment, yeah thats what I do, I go to forums and start internet fights cuz I'm Hank the Internet Tough Guy.

perfect way to sum it all up.

 

[D-BOE34]

"I thought BK went to far..."


Into the game before calling a timeout to yell at the players about what it takes to win a GOSH DARN game? Then telling the ref that he will gladly take a delay of game to tell the players he has complete faith that he can blow another play, like the team and still rely on them to win big? (shooda dun did it)

Maybe he went to far into his pocket for an answer on why these boys forgot the basics to football?


ZERO .. BK went right to the point, not to far or to short. "Don't like it fellas? Well I got several other guys willing to step on the field that want to win. If you want to win you better play like it right now other wise what the "&^@#" do I have to lose by giving this this and that guy a shot? Tweet your tweets. Update your statuses. Text your friends your the starter. Tell your family thank you for coming my first game as a starter!!! Now go repeat with, lost my spot, can't catch, can't block, can't cover, can't hold a ball, asked to kick and only kick the ball but failed. I will get better and I will win. I will refuse to lose. I will refuse to be defeated. I will refuse to let the world dictate my life from my play in 1 game. I will rep ND for the reason I chose ND. TO WIN AT LIFE! I have a chance to play the field 12 times a year for 4 years. I will make and give everything I can for that moment. Failure is not an option and I will refuse to give my hand to a man that wants to succeed me! WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, I AM PROUD TO SAY I WAS AN IRISH!!!! I REFUSED TO LET THEM BE RIGHT"


For all we know BK could have been saying that with just a few more F bombs and things of that sort ...

 

[Irish To The Core]

I just thank God that none of the guys who are worried about Kelly's yelling have any more control over Notre Dame football than their remote controls. Yes he yells. It is NCAA FCS Football. Quit applying your experience in frisbee football to big time college ball.

 

[Zoro]

I wonder what Bob Knight would have done yesterday?

I would hope he wouldn't be there.
Is ND trying/advertising to be a school with values or does football get a pass? Is winning a football game all that important?
Curious how the school will respond. What do they want to be?

 

[DillonHall]

@Dillon Hall...I can feel your frusterations..Being a Sox fan is not easy tonight.

haha I couldn't care less about the White Sox or baseball...just wanted to spend some of my money and get more logos.

In general I don't care about professional sports (I'm supposed to like a certain team just because my parents decided to raise me in Chicago?). I have an actual connection to my alma mater, so Notre Dame is the only athletic program that I care about.

 

[Zoro]

any more control over Notre Dame football than their remote controls.

Ya think? First day on this forum, maybe its time to leave.

 

[gkautz10]

Is ND trying/advertising to be a school with values or does football get a pass? Is winning a football game all that important?



yes, winning a football game IS that important. atleast to me and proably to bk since his livelihood depends on winning football games

 

[gkautz10]

zoro may i ask what your profession is?

 

[D-BOE34]

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/other-college-football/62360-9-11-game-changer-academy-athletes.html


READ THAT ....


If we can understand that the small things are still small at the end of the day we will all be fine in life. To understand that your life went from a respected human in the world of college sports to a MUCH NEEDED part of this country, you have set yourself apart. I respect all members of our services. We all need to take a step back and understand that what we, our players and what the coaches go through can change on a whim, unlike our counterparts year in and year out. They can go from DIV 1 ball and worrying about stopping the pass to stopping the deadly attacks STAT! We should all take a moment and reflect on what we have and the joy we can share in sports as whole for the men and women that protect us.

Thank you all that serve and protect. I will be the first to say you have set yourself to battle levels of life I cannot. I appreciate your first and foremost responsibilities.

Our boys will show up next week to play thanks to these folks. Lets just hope it for the best on all ends!

 

[irishtrain]

Good insight. Maybe I'm just still really frustrated (like we all are) and wanted to nitpick. Either way, BK is our guy for better or worse, and I have full confidence it will be more better than worse, if that makes any sense haha.

Steelhead-I know you love the Irish as we all do and your respect on this board to other posters is tremendous. Her's my take-I thought they'd lose this game for the very reasons they did. I did not want to be right. To the point about Kelly with all respect given to you these guys are not kids by the time they come to play football at Notre Dame. Kelly cant baby them any more-if they cant take the heat for one of the worst halves in Notre Dame history then they need to move over and let the better player take their spot. The better player means someone who can handle the pressure/responsibility of the moment. I got Kelly's back here as IOM he did what was needed. That was a brutal display of no concentration and no regard for details regarding winning football. If they thought that was pressure wait till they get a load of 107,000 Mich fans in their face this nexr Saturday.

 

[D-BOE34]

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[50milesSE ND]

Sorry late arrival on this comment about BK. Seriously really im tired of people posting posting stuff that's makes them look like they never participated in extracurricular activities. I played college football and its a whole new ballgame. Coaches are now dealing with young men not boys. That's the way it BK said you have to know your players and how far to take it and what it takes to get it in their heads then by all means. Tired of living in an environment where everyone gets a trophy for participating. If you don't like it watch golf or womens beach volleyball unless that's too revealing attire.

 

[blue in ohio]

I think Kelly would make a good Lions coach. I could see the angry expression on the front page of the sports section with him saying how the lions aren't going to go 0-16. I don't feel too good about Kelly being the coach there. I see him losing the team if the tirades keep up.

 

[Old Man Mike]

The level of nonsense in this thread beggars the imagination.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

I think Kelly would make a good Lions coach. I could see the angry expression on the front page of the sports section with him saying how the lions aren't going to go 0-16. I don't feel too good about Kelly being the coach there. I see him losing the team if the tirades keep up.

Why is this dude not banned?

 

[johnnyoooo]

It was self evident last year Kelly had a problem with his temper. I was revolted then with him going off ranting against a player like Crist and Rees on national television. Saturday sadly gave him more opportunity to show his lack of emotional control. Sure I believe he is a great coach and root for him to make it at Notre Dame. But I hear the same excuses that were thrown out for Woody Hayes and Bobby Knight now thrown out for Kelly to either excuse his behavior or down play it because he is a Notre Dame coach. But both Hayes and Knight truly earned their reputations as out of control hot tempered coaches and sadly Kelly has slipped into their ill reputations

 

[GoIrish41]

Sorry late arrival on this comment about BK. Seriously really im tired of people posting posting stuff that's makes them look like they never participated in extracurricular activities. I played college football and its a whole new ballgame. Coaches are now dealing with young men not boys. That's the way it BK said you have to know your players and how far to take it and what it takes to get it in their heads then by all means. Tired of living in an environment where everyone gets a trophy for participating. If you don't like it watch golf or womens beach volleyball unless that's too revealing attire.

Really? ... you're tired of people posting these things? .... You have two posts!!! Sorry you have had to endure posts you don't like for the 15 minutes you've been on this forum.

I played college football too, which really has nothing to do with this discussion. The question is whether it is OK to berate a player for the sake of berating him. I don't think ANYONE here is saying that yelling is wrong. It's when you follow a guy down the sidelines to keep berating him about something that he already knows he did wrong. and doing this all on national television.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I am huge on discipline. I saw an undisciplined team take the field yesterday, that is what worries me. BK's reaction was/is fine with me, he did not prepare his team to deliver a performance of disgraceful slop that we saw. You have to catch the ball, you have to hold onto the ball, and hitting someone out of bounds is pathetic, and sad. You have to balance intensity and composure, you can't let the pressure get too you.

Maybe I am okay with it because I was raised in a way where un-discipline was unacceptable, and I would hear it when I screwed up, but I believe I am a better person for it.

This team needs to toughen up, and handle hype...you are playing football at Notre Dame...what you've done on the field prior does not matter. It takes a certain type of player to play football for ND, all the talent in the world will not save you if you've been coddled and protected. You have to beable to handle pressure.

 

[DuffHouse12]

last time i checked this was football, not field hockey. people are worried about hurting a players feelings? get outta here with that.

 

[NDinL.A.]

It was self evident last year Kelly had a problem with his temper. I was revolted then with him going off ranting against a player like Crist and Rees on national television. Saturday sadly gave him more opportunity to show his lack of emotional control. Sure I believe he is a great coach and root for him to make it at Notre Dame. But I hear the same excuses that were thrown out for Woody Hayes and Bobby Knight now thrown out for Kelly to either excuse his behavior or down play it because he is a Notre Dame coach. But both Hayes and Knight truly earned their reputations as out of control hot tempered coaches and sadly Kelly has slipped into their ill reputations

WTF??? Not even close! Bk has been coaching for over 20 years, and has he EVER done anything even remotely close to what Knight got in hot water for??? Sorry johnnyoooo, but that is a ridiculous comparison. It's not like this is his 5th year coaching and he's building towards exploding. This is who he is...NOTHING HAS CHANGED. He hasn't gotten any worse than he was in his previous stops (where, by the way...he won).

I would have less of a problem with all these posts had you guys been pissed at BK for yelling at his players when the team was winning (which he did...go back and look at the tapes). No problem then...but when the team loses he's suddenly out of his mind and Bobby-Knightesque. Ridiculous.

Some of you guys should just stop watching football if you don't like the yelling and start watching chess tournaments, or golf, or badminton. I don't see Alabama fans calling for Nich Saban to tone it down, and that dude has some SERIOUS meltdowns on the sidelines when his players eff up. With so many things that went wrong, why the hell are we even talking about this??? Hell, even my mother-in-law thinks people are crazy for worrying about Bk's yelling.

Please tell me we're better than this is ND fans...

 

[Irish52]

A screaming coach, unmercifully berating his players on national TV or even in practice, is nothing more than a coach who is willing to win "at any costs". I look at the truly successful coaches and never see them grabbing face masks, spitting out vermin, or berating them to the extent that his facial veins are popping out of his head. And on the bright side, I still like Kelly and I think he is right for ND. He simply needs to make amends for his behavior and vow to act like a successful coach with confidence in his team....even when things are'nt going well. And yes, i'm aware of Lou Holtz grabbing face masks during many games...I didn't like it then and I still don't.

 

[50milesSE ND]

Couldn't agree with you more NDinLA. I'm a new poster, but I've been reading post for about a year now. I recently posted something and it said that my post was basically being reviewed. I don't think I said anything horrible unless GOIRISH is in charge

 

[koonja]

A screaming coach, unmercifully berating his players on national TV or even in practice, is nothing more than a coach who is willing to win "at any costs". I look at the truly successful coaches and never see them grabbing face masks, spitting out vermin, or berating them to the extent that his facial veins are popping out of his head. And on the bright side, I still like Kelly and I think he is right for ND. He simply needs to make amends for his behavior and vow to act like a successful coach with confidence in his team....even when things are'nt going well. And yes, i'm aware of Lou Holtz grabbing face masks during many games...I didn't like it then and I still don't.

1) I'm pretty sure Bob Knight Lou Holtz, two of the greatest coaches ever were that way.

2) How do we know he didn't? Unlike any of us, he has a personal relationship with EVERY player. He knows who can handle what, which is evident in how he transitioned to a calmer teacher-type once Tommy got the job last year. Who's to say he didn't talk individiually with every player he got after, after the game?

 

[pkt77242]

A screaming coach, unmercifully berating his players on national TV or even in practice, is nothing more than a coach who is willing to win "at any costs". I look at the truly successful coaches and never see them grabbing face masks, spitting out vermin, or berating them to the extent that his facial veins are popping out of his head. And on the bright side, I still like Kelly and I think he is right for ND. He simply needs to make amends for his behavior and vow to act like a successful coach with confidence in his team....even when things are'nt going well. And yes, i'm aware of Lou Holtz grabbing face masks during many games...I didn't like it then and I still don't.

Wrong. Nick Saban and Bob Stoops are 2 of the of the biggest screamers in the game and both are great coaches.

 

[50milesSE ND]

What's nice about playing a contact sport is if you get your a$$ chewed by a coach during the game, and you don't like than you have an opportunity to take your anger out on the other team. After the game I would hope its more civil thats when the softer speaking arm around the shoulder kind of thing happens. During the game things are happening fast so do adjustments. I'll trust BK on this one because I have never coached only played, and I was always angered by an a$$ chewing and vented on the other team.

 

[johnnyoooo]

So a coach ranting and raving on the field at his ball players is only a coach who wants to win. So guess both Hayes and Knight were right ranting and raving then.

 

[pkt77242]

So a coach ranting and raving on the field at his ball players is only a coach who wants to win. So guess both Hayes and Knight were right ranting and raving then.

They both got physical with players. That is a big NO NO. Get over it.

 

[koonja]

So a coach ranting and raving on the field at his ball players is only a coach who wants to win. So guess both Hayes and Knight were right ranting and raving then.

That's a slippery slope. I don't think anyone's suggesting Knight was right in hitting a player and throwing the chair. That's crossing the line. However, nothing wrong with getting in a player's face (especially a scholarship athlete), especially if you make amends with it later. There has never been an incident where one of the 85 players have even hinted anything besides the upmost respect for Kelly. They respect him. Do you think this is the first time he's gone off? You don't think he gets in their face during practices? There's a reason his players respect him.

 

[pkt77242]

Earlier, I posted that I didn't have an opinion on this matter, but I've been convinced that he went too far. I want to echo GoIrish41's comments. How many times has Brian Kelly talked about the importance of his players being 'tough gentleman?' I believe his actions last night clearly contradicted his stated goal. Yelling and cursing out of control does not make someone 'tough' nor 'gentleman-like.' I agree that yelling is fine in football, but the way that he did it is wrong because his example directly went against his own principles.

Some people have stated that these players are young men and not children. Trust me, these 18-22 year-olds are still maturing. How come people people say that high school recruits are just kids? Do they magically mature once they step on campus? No, it's Kelly's job (and that's part of his recruiting pitch to parents) to help them grow up into respectable men. His actions were not conducive to setting an example for his players.

I agree with you comments that they are still maturing but if you are right then we shouldn't allow 18-22 year olds to join the military because what the Hell do you think happens at bootcamp?

 

[50milesSE ND]

Sorry they are someones kids, but when you leave home and are essentially on your own you have now crossed the threshold of being a man. I think people on here are crazy if they think he treats these young men like this daily. We don't know what his personal relationships are with these guys, but I'm confident he knows what he is doing. He is a parent too.