Notre Dame is not that big a deal at 5 to me... it's debatable... but when you put it in the light of Penn St. still being a 6, then it becomes... well... not even debatable... those who loved seeing us knocked down have said we are lucky to still be a five and should be a four or a three (yeah I have seen that posted a lot) and it all comes down to not winning one since 88... check Penn St. in titles and how long it's been... also we are ranked in the top 20 of the last decade on college football data warehouse, I'll bet without going to check Penn St. isn't much better...
anyway, no that I have that out of my system